Feel free to wait until the AL Central's remaining game(s) are played, but that won't affect my choices.
AL MVP: Joe Mauer (excellent catchers with a .415 OBP don't come along often)
NL MVP: Albert Pujols (not close)
AL Cy Young: Cliff Lee (Halladay not far behind)
NL Cy Young: Johan Santana (by a hair or less over Lincecum)
AL Rookie: Evan Longoria
NL Rookie: Geovany Soto
AL Mgr: Joe Maddon
NL Mgr: Lou Piniella
AL Most Overrated: Francisco Rodriguez
NL Most Overrated: Ryan Howard
Full Version: your choices for the individual awards of 2008
QUOTE(Bill W @ Sep 29 2008, 12:04 PM) 
NL MVP: Albert Pujols (not close)
NL Most Overrated: Ryan Howard
If they do end up voting for Howard, it would just make your head explode. So I'm now rooting for it. Actively. I may bribe some voters.
Actually, it wouldn't make my head explode, because all knowledgeable fans know the BBRAA can go f**k itself. Their awards have always stunk at least half the time (Bob Welch, Terry Pendleton, etc) because 80% of their decision-making is based on looking at wins for pitchers and RBI for hitters. Moronic.
It's getting very weird how Chase Utley keeps being the Most Valuable Phillie year after year and sees a well-publicized Clutch Clutch Clutchy teammate win MVP.
It's getting very weird how Chase Utley keeps being the Most Valuable Phillie year after year and sees a well-publicized Clutch Clutch Clutchy teammate win MVP.
2008 NL Gold Glove Winners:
P - Greg Maddux, Dodgers
C - Yadier Molina, Cardinals
1B - Adrian Gonzalez, Padres
2B - Brandon Phillips, Reds
3B - David Wright, Mets
SS - Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
OF - Nate McLouth, Pirates
OF - Carlos Beltran, Mets
OF - Shane Victorino, Phillies
P - Greg Maddux, Dodgers
C - Yadier Molina, Cardinals
1B - Adrian Gonzalez, Padres
2B - Brandon Phillips, Reds
3B - David Wright, Mets
SS - Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
OF - Nate McLouth, Pirates
OF - Carlos Beltran, Mets
OF - Shane Victorino, Phillies
The Internet Baseball Awards (which are NOT picked by Baseball Prospectus, but by an online poll of anyone who wishes to vote -- they generally attract engaged seamhead fans like yours truly) have been announced. MVPs were Pujols and Pedroia (nipping Mauer), Cys Lincecum and Lee, ROYs Longoria and Soto.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8281
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8282
You'll note the non-BBRAA-wisdom of Chase Utley placing 4th in the MVP vote to Ryan Howard's 7th (still too high), and that the ludicrously hyped Carlos Delgado is 5th -- among Mets (16th in the NL, also too high).
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8281
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8282
You'll note the non-BBRAA-wisdom of Chase Utley placing 4th in the MVP vote to Ryan Howard's 7th (still too high), and that the ludicrously hyped Carlos Delgado is 5th -- among Mets (16th in the NL, also too high).
2008 AL Gold Glove winners:
P - Mike Mussina, Yankees
C - Joe Mauer, Twins
1B - Carlos Pena, Rays
2B - Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
3B - Adrian Beltre, Mariners
SS - Michael Young, Rangers
OF - Torii Hunter, Angels
OF - Grady Sizemore, Indians
OF - Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners
P - Mike Mussina, Yankees
C - Joe Mauer, Twins
1B - Carlos Pena, Rays
2B - Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
3B - Adrian Beltre, Mariners
SS - Michael Young, Rangers
OF - Torii Hunter, Angels
OF - Grady Sizemore, Indians
OF - Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners
Congratulations, Evan!!! No doubt winning the 2008 American League Rookie of the Year award is just the first of many honors coming your way!!!
Evan Longoria of the Rays (AL) and Geovanny Soto of the Cubs (NL) are Rookies of the Year.
Longoria.
When is Gold Glove 2nd baseman Dustin Pedroia being named MVP?
(mah fingahs are crost)
(mah fingahs are crost)
MVP's are announced next week. Today's announcement: NL Cy Young winner, and it's Tim Lincecum of the Giants. I'm a little surprised that Sabathia finished 5th. I didn't think he'd win since he wasn't in the NL for very much of the season, but I thought he'd finish higher.
AL and NL Managers of the Year: Joe Maddon and Lou Piniella.
It's now official: Matt Holliday to Oakland.
If you subscribe to the view that Holliday's success is very much in part because of the numbers he puts up at Coors Field, what is he going to do in 2009 in the A's cavernous park? And are the A's going to try to sign him to an extension, or trade him before the 2009 deadline, or just let him enter free agency? I'm not sure I get this deal.
Another deal: the Marlins trade LHP Scott Olsen and OF Josh Willingham to the Nationals for 2B Emilio Bonifacio and two minor leaguers, 2B Jake Smolinski and RHP P.J. Dean. After having previously traded Mike Jacobs, the Marlins seem to be doing the same salary dumping they did after the two championships they won, except this time they're only coming off an 84-win season.
It's now official: Matt Holliday to Oakland.
QUOTE
Colorado received right-handed reliever Huston Street, lefty starter Greg Smith and promising outfielder Carlos Gonzalez from the A’s. The clubs reached a tentative agreement Monday, but had to wait for the results of physicals and other details to be worked out.
If you subscribe to the view that Holliday's success is very much in part because of the numbers he puts up at Coors Field, what is he going to do in 2009 in the A's cavernous park? And are the A's going to try to sign him to an extension, or trade him before the 2009 deadline, or just let him enter free agency? I'm not sure I get this deal.
Another deal: the Marlins trade LHP Scott Olsen and OF Josh Willingham to the Nationals for 2B Emilio Bonifacio and two minor leaguers, 2B Jake Smolinski and RHP P.J. Dean. After having previously traded Mike Jacobs, the Marlins seem to be doing the same salary dumping they did after the two championships they won, except this time they're only coming off an 84-win season.
AL Cy Young Award goes to Cleveland's Cliff Lee.
AL and NL Silver Slugger awards will be announced later today.
Edit to add:
2008 Silver Sluggers
AMERICAN LEAGUE
C Joe Mauer, MIN
1B Justin Morneau, MIN
2B Dustin Pedroia, BOS
3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY
SS Derek Jeter, NYY
OF Josh Hamilton, TEX
OF Carlos Quentin, CWS
OF Grady Sizemore, CLE
DH Aubrey Huff, BAL
NATIONAL LEAGUE
C Brian McCann, ATL
1B Albert Pujols, STL
2B Chase Utley, PHI
3B David Wright, NYM
SS Hanley Ramirez, FLA
OF Ryan Braun, MIL
OF Matt Holliday, COL
OF Ryan Ludwick, STL
P Carlos Zambrano, CHC
AL and NL Silver Slugger awards will be announced later today.
Edit to add:
2008 Silver Sluggers
AMERICAN LEAGUE
C Joe Mauer, MIN
1B Justin Morneau, MIN
2B Dustin Pedroia, BOS
3B Alex Rodriguez, NYY
SS Derek Jeter, NYY
OF Josh Hamilton, TEX
OF Carlos Quentin, CWS
OF Grady Sizemore, CLE
DH Aubrey Huff, BAL
NATIONAL LEAGUE
C Brian McCann, ATL
1B Albert Pujols, STL
2B Chase Utley, PHI
3B David Wright, NYM
SS Hanley Ramirez, FLA
OF Ryan Braun, MIL
OF Matt Holliday, COL
OF Ryan Ludwick, STL
P Carlos Zambrano, CHC
The Reporters get it right: Pujols takes NL MVP:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3708596
12 first-place votes for Howard is pure idiocy (as is his outpointing Utley 308-30), but progress comes in baby steps...
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3708596
12 first-place votes for Howard is pure idiocy (as is his outpointing Utley 308-30), but progress comes in baby steps...
Pujols won -- PRAISE JEBUS!!!!! I'm glad. Because anything that puts a limit on the amount of hysterical sanctimonious self-righteous uppity bullshit you spew is worth it.
Besides, I think Ryan Howard got the trophy he really wanted this year...
Oh, and there's this...
Besides, I think Ryan Howard got the trophy he really wanted this year...
Oh, and there's this...
QUOTE
Pujols said in 2006, when he finished second to Howard, that Howard didn't deserve to win because the Phillies didn't make the playoffs. Pujols said he was misquoted (or something) and said Howard did deserve to win. He was asked today about that.
“Thanks for opening the door that was already shut,” Pujols said. “I said it in 2006. That guy misunderstood my words. And what I said is the players who take their teams to the playoffs should have some consideration to win the MVP. Obviously, Howard had the numbers that year, just like I had it (this year). His team was in the playoff race until the last week of the season, so I think the writers made the right choice in 2006. He did deserve it. He hit over .300. He hit 58 homers. He had a great year, just like I had, and that’s just how it is.”
“Thanks for opening the door that was already shut,” Pujols said. “I said it in 2006. That guy misunderstood my words. And what I said is the players who take their teams to the playoffs should have some consideration to win the MVP. Obviously, Howard had the numbers that year, just like I had it (this year). His team was in the playoff race until the last week of the season, so I think the writers made the right choice in 2006. He did deserve it. He hit over .300. He hit 58 homers. He had a great year, just like I had, and that’s just how it is.”
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Nov 17 2008, 08:40 PM)
Because anything that puts a limit on the amount of hysterical sanctimonious self-righteous uppity bullshit you spew is worth it.
Is this not a personal attack????
It's an attack on his opinions, which are virtually always hysterical sanctimonious self-righteous uppity bullshit. But the moderators will have to have the final say on that, I suppose.
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Nov 18 2008, 12:05 AM)
It's an attack on his opinions, which are virtually always hysterical sanctimonious self-righteous uppity bullshit. But the moderators will have to have the final say on that, I suppose.
I just wanted to see if I was still on ignore or not...
JIP is a Majority of One.
(Here, at least. Many in the MSM spew similar hysterical sanctimonious self-righteous uninformed cliches.)
(Here, at least. Many in the MSM spew similar hysterical sanctimonious self-righteous uninformed cliches.)
QUOTE(Chill-Trick @ Nov 11 2008, 09:21 AM)
When is Gold Glove 2nd baseman Dustin Pedroia being named MVP?
(mah fingahs are crost)
Well, I can un-cross my fingers now!
Apparently Evan "somebody" from the Dallas Morning News didn't even have ANY vote for Pedroia, for any place.
Maybe it was the same nitwit who gave Jason Bartlett a 5th-place vote, which was the funniest thing this go-round.
oh, and Pujols is wrong about 2006. Ballplayers ain't analysts any more than analysts are ballplayers.
oh, and Pujols is wrong about 2006. Ballplayers ain't analysts any more than analysts are ballplayers.
QUOTE(sooners2727 @ Nov 18 2008, 02:15 AM)
I just wanted to see if I was still on ignore or not...
I figured that if, after all this time, I still haven't put Bill W. on ignore, it wasn't fair to do it to anyone else.
QUOTE(Chill-Trick @ Nov 18 2008, 03:23 PM)
Apparently Evan "somebody" from the Dallas Morning News didn't even have ANY vote for Pedroia, for any place.
Here's his "explanation for leaving Pedroia off his ballot.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...grant_on_l.html
I don't remember another year where ALL the BBWAA awardees were reasonable choices. Clearly VORP, BABiP and Fielding Runs are gradually making an impact! 
Having K-Rod second is at least as stupid as leaving off Pedroia.
On the one hand, the writers gave 3 votes for Rookie of the Year to Reds pitcher Edinson Volquez even though he wasn't eligible because of the games he pitched for Texas between 2005 and 2007. So the writers are idiots.
On the other hand, Rafael Palmiero was awarded a Gold Glove at 1B in 1999 despite playing only 28 games at 1B, as he was DH most of the time. So the managers and coaches are idiots.
And Albert Pujols says (though who knows if he's telling the truth) that the writers made the right choice in voting for Ryan Howard as MVP in 2006. So the players are idiots.
And based on any number of All-Star votes, the fans are idiots.
So who exactly is supposed to give out these awards?
On the other hand, Rafael Palmiero was awarded a Gold Glove at 1B in 1999 despite playing only 28 games at 1B, as he was DH most of the time. So the managers and coaches are idiots.
And Albert Pujols says (though who knows if he's telling the truth) that the writers made the right choice in voting for Ryan Howard as MVP in 2006. So the players are idiots.
And based on any number of All-Star votes, the fans are idiots.
So who exactly is supposed to give out these awards?
Part of the solution is to admit better writers to the group...
AND, the BBWAA has just welcomed in Web writers for the first time -- Christina Kahrl and Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus, and Rob Neyer and Keith Law of ESPN.com, all favorites of mine.
All of whom use VORP, BABiP, etc in their analysis. Writers whom others pillory as "stat geeks."
Revolution, baby!
All of whom use VORP, BABiP, etc in their analysis. Writers whom others pillory as "stat geeks."
Revolution, baby!
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