Chill-Trick
Oct 11 2008, 09:18 AM
"I don't trust him, he's an A-rab"
says some moronic bitch McBush supporter. I saw the clip on the news, and it was sort of funny because you could totally see the Cadaverick's face just start squishing up with pain thinking "Oh no lady what did ya say that for, now I gotta defend him....damn!"
He then "gracefully" says "No, no he's not, he's a family man.... blah blah blah"
God that must've pained him to say that
George Twins fan
Oct 11 2008, 09:27 AM
McCain was forced to defend Obama a couple of times yesteday. I guess the poll numbers have finally sunk in. But the problem is he has already gotten his base into such a frenzy with these scare tactics (constantly throwing the word "terrorist" out there). That is just so irresponsible. I truly do fear for Obama's safety at this point. The crowd was jeering and hissing when McCain was trying to say nice things about Obama and for them to now start believeing Obama is not to be feared (as the McCain campaign has been stamping into their brains for weeks now) is not very likely. Many of these folks are zealots, whether it be religious or political. It isn't that far fetched to think one of these brainwashed loons might believe he'd be performing a public service and protecting the US from a terrorist by attempting to assasinate Obama.
McCain should be ashamed of himself.
HornFan
Oct 11 2008, 10:53 AM
The CNN reporter covering McCain's rally sought out the "I don't trust him, he's an A-rab" - Lady and the woman still said he was an Arab. The reporter told her that was not true and the lady then said Obama is a Muslim. The reporter told her that was not true as well and the lady said, "well, I don't believe that". There are a LOT of voters who believe what they want to believe when it comes to their candidate. I'm glad America got a good look at one of them.
hockeyTom
Oct 11 2008, 12:03 PM
This disgusting behavior goes back a ways. Remember when once at a McCain rally, a woman yelled out " what about the bitch?" referring to Hillary of course. McCain promised an above the board campaign. So, look at what was allowed to happen. Because this type of behavior was not addressed until far to late, the situation was allowed to fester like an open wound. Now one can see the result. Its pretty twisted as far as I am concerned. And I also, always have been, and will continue to fear for Obamas' safety.
TheOtherFSU
Oct 11 2008, 12:12 PM
QUOTE(hockeyTom @ Oct 11 2008, 10:03 AM)

This disgusting behavior goes back a ways. Remember when once at a McCain rally, a woman yelled out " what about the bitch?" referring to Hillary of course. MCacin promised an above the board campaign. So, look at what was allowed to happen. Because this type of behavior was not addressed until far to late, the situation was allowed to fester like an open wound. Now one can see the result. Its pretty twisted as far as I am concerned. And I also, always have been, and will continue to fear for Obamas' safety.
When the woman called Hillary a 'bitch' in front of McCain, I think it was said in the context of, "How are you going to beat the bitch?," and McCain responded by laughing. He didn't tell the woman she said anything inappropriate. McCain has a long-standing pattern of being a jerk. Remember, this is a man who called his own wife a c*nt in front of reporters years ago. He is someone who in the 1990s called Chelsea Clinton "ugly" in public and said she was ugly because her "father is Janet Reno." He is a dishonorable person and not even remotely close to the type of 'hero' the Republicans like to portray him as.
By the way, CNN referred this morning to a "senior member of the McCain campaign who spoke on the condition of anonymity," who said internal polls showed things even worse for McCain than what we're seeing. It alluded to McCain trailing nationally "by possibly as much as 15 points" since the campaign decided to go totally negative a week ago. And then... magically... Palin spoke in PA today and changed her rhetoric, and did not mention Ayers' name once in her stump speech, even though that has been virtually her entire stump speech as of late. The only mention of Ayers in their rally came from someone in the crowd (naturally) who yelled, "What about Ayers?," and Palin did not respond or acknowledge it.
fantomas
Oct 11 2008, 08:35 PM
Just a few weeks ago, I believe that Rush Limbaugh claimed on his radio show that Obama's Kenyan Luo father--from a black sub-Saharan African ethnic group--was actually an Arab. Unlike all the other Luos in Kenya, he was, according to Rush, an Arab. He has also repeatedly suggested or insinuated that Obama was a Muslim, even after this rumor was debunked, and even mainstream journalists like Peter Beinart keep harping on the fact that Obama's father was a "Muslim" (and his mother was raised a Christian and became an agnostic, so???), so should anyone be surprised that there are people who are resolute in their belief that Obama is not only a Muslim, but now an "Arab"?
Also, McCain's answer in defense of Obama was disgracefully offensive to Arabs. He didn't just say that Obama was not an Arab, but failed to note that Arabs Americans (of whom there are over 1 million in the US, according to the 2000 US Census) can also be "decent, family [men]" and "citizens." Also, the vast majority of Arab Americans are Christian. Some very famous people (Danny and Marlo Thomas, Ralph Nader, John Abizaid, Helen Thomas, etc.) are of Arab descent. And even some prominent right-wing Republicans, like the Sununus, Spencer Abraham, and Sammy Haggar, are of Arab descent.
The woman's comment was outright ignorant and racist, and even if he did not do it on the spot, because he was specifically defending Obama, McCain should have condemned the anti-Arab attitudes as forcefully as possible.
santana57
Oct 12 2008, 03:27 AM
i so wanted to bitch-slap that woman when i saw her on tv.
sadly, most McCain supporters think the same way. disgraceful.
just eddie
Oct 12 2008, 06:54 AM
It doesn't take much to mislead ignorant people.However, I'm sure it doesn't help knowing that Obama's middle name is Hussein.
sportinlife
Oct 12 2008, 07:12 AM
I think Obama is starting to get some strife from both the left and the right. Those on the right hate him because they are seeing a lot of their most inhumane pet policies implode and a black man, of all people, is taking advantage of it while shoving it in their faces.
Those on the left fear that because he is less than perfect on all their issues it suggests that perhaps no one ever can be. And ironically this may have to do with his race as well.
There are a lot of historically difficult issues coming to a head simultaneously in this election that constitute a kind of perfect storm. Race, economics and world affairs all seem to be roiling together.
I think the bottom line will be what kind of people do we want to be in this country. Can a philosophy that everyone going it alone actually work out better than everyone working together.
The truth I suspect is somewhere in the middle. A dynamic balance has to be struck between the two. No one is an island but no one should be controled by others.
Quite frankly I don't see any other politician in this country or elsewhere who is willing to struggle with those opposing forces, much less trying to solve them, than B. H. Obama right now. Personally I would prefer the economic policies of Ralph Nader but I won't let the near perfect be the enemy of the much better.
hockeyTom
Oct 12 2008, 08:38 AM
According to an online story the RNC is NONE to happy with Mr. McBush right now. They are saying he can't stick to one message, and many fear he has lost the election for him. I read also where they too have seen his message as "erratic." All is NOT well in Republican land as we speak.
BigBlueCowboy
Oct 12 2008, 09:49 AM
QUOTE(sportinlife @ Oct 12 2008, 08:12 AM)

Those on the left fear that because he is less than perfect on all their issues it suggests that perhaps no one ever can be. And ironically this may have to do with his race as well.
There are a lot of historically difficult issues coming to a head simultaneously in this election that constitute a kind of perfect storm. Race, economics and world affairs all seem to be roiling together.
I think the bottom line will be what kind of people do we want to be in this country. Can a philosophy that everyone going it alone actually work out better than everyone working together.
You make some very good points, sportinlife.
Race is still the unknown quantity in this
race. Yesterday, I had a conversation with a well-educated woman, who spoke of her distrust of Obama, because of his policies, but she also brought up his name. As for his policies, I could only respond that both candidates are lying about raising taxes. They'll have to in this mess. But as for his name, I pointed out that we already have had presidents with funny names...Millard Filmore, Ulysses, Woodrow, Calvin, Lyndon.
On a more serious note, the polls indicate that white voters are comfortable with a black presidential candidate, but I still question whether once they get into the voting booth, they can pull the lever for one. They are the type of people like Obama's own grandmother. During the Lewis brouhaha, Obama brought up how he would cringe when she crossed the street to avoid black men.
What that woman said yesterday at the McCain rally was ignorant. Would I dismiss her as stupid? I'm not sure. We can only hope that Obama's candidacy has helped to enlighten others like her, so that when they step into the voting booth, the lever they pull is not based on the color of the candidate's skin or his name.
hockeyTom
Oct 12 2008, 01:04 PM
Race is the huge unknown. This morning on " Meet the Press" one pundit estimated that Obama could tack on another 6 percentage points in his lead, if race were not a factor unfortunately. But, I have also heard and read, that because things are so bad on Main Street, alot of people don't give a rats behind at this point. We wil have to wait and see.
ung
Oct 13 2008, 11:22 AM
QUOTE(hockeyTom @ Oct 12 2008, 01:38 PM)

..... the RNC is NONE to happy with Mr. McBush right now. They are saying he can't stick to one message, and many fear he has lost the election for him. I read also where they too have seen his message as "erratic." All is NOT well in Republican land as we speak.
The RNC needs to stop shitting on McCain and take responsibility for what they, themselves, have done. They went along eagerly for 8 long years with the moronic W. Bush presidency. Chiming in with jingoism and xenophobia and exhibiting absolute blindness as to why we invaded a country for no valid reason. Correction. Reasons that are valid if only they were true.
They sowed the seeds of economic disaster and political suicide. And now they're mad at McCain for not leading this race that no republican could hope to win. Like Giuliani could do any better?
Look at the facts. The incumbent republican president and Vice president stayed away from the National GOP convention because their approval numbers are in the cellar! Their trumped up excuse of "there may be a hurricane so we're gonna stay in Washington..." was so clearly bullshit! Tey dialed in to Katrina. Why the need to stay in DC for this one?
GOP districts everywhere are losing to democrats and they blame McCain???? I thought republicans were supposed to be the party of accountability? Instead we blame McCain and not the GOP itself for not winning a race when we have nominated an alaskan beauty pageant contestant whose major accomplishment is that she went to 5 different schools to get her Bachelors degree who couldn't name one single newspaper she reads on a regular basis???? (ummmmmm How about the National Enquirer? Does that count?)
and to top it off she claims to be a devout christian and yet her unmarried slut daughter is pregnant? Gee how many colleges will she have attend to graduate?
Speaking as a republican, the GOP should "Man up" admit our mistakes and try to forge in a new direction that sheds this idiotic image of intolerance and stupidity. In short, we should practice what we preach.
Chill-Trick
Oct 13 2008, 12:05 PM
C'mon ung, "slut daughter" is a bit harsh, doncha think? She's a 17 yr old who got pregnant....that doesn't make her a slut.
And if being a slut means you get the chance to see Levi Johnston naked and hit it....sign me up.
CPT_Doom
Oct 13 2008, 12:38 PM
Well, the stump speech rhetoric may have been dampened, but I am travelling for business through several swing states, and I can tell you the nasty, lying McCain ads are still running - Obama is plagued with "blind ambition," worked with a "domestic terrorist...when convenient," that sort of thing. And, of course, McSame claimed he was going to "whip" Obama's "you know what" at the next debate (I really believe he has no clue as to the racial implications of that statement). I guess the GOP really does understand they have nothing left but negativity, but I'd like to see the media point out the ads are still running.
As for the issue of race, a couple of things strike me. The first is that we really didn't see the "Bradley effect" in the primaries. In general, Obama got about the same percentage of votes that the polls predicted. Certainly there was not the huge drop in support that Doug Wilder saw in his successful run for VA governor nearly 20 years ago (IIRC, Wilder was up 5 - 7 points in the polls, but only won by <1%). The other is that the polls I have seen about race invariably note that white people themselves are open to voting for an AA candidate, but estimate that most of their neighbors are not, which is clearly mathematically impossible (e.g., 70% comfortable with voting for an AA candidate, but estimate only 45% of their neighbors would be).
I also keep going back to the voter turnouts in the primaries. When both the Dem and GOP races were competitive, the Dems were getting 2:1 and 3:1 voter turnout. Given the lack of enthusiasm for the McCain campaign (which was briefly reversed after the Bible Spice VP pick), that kind of turnout should overwhelm any racial effects.
sportinlife
Oct 13 2008, 05:56 PM
I think I recall that Obama did less well than he polled in the New Hampshire or Massachusetts primary/caucuses.
He has tended to do better in more rural white areas, outside the deep South and Appalachia.
ung
Oct 15 2008, 07:12 AM
QUOTE(Chill-Trick @ Oct 13 2008, 05:05 PM)

C'mon ung, "slut daughter" is a bit harsh, doncha think? She's a 17 yr old who got pregnant....that doesn't make her a slut.
Actually... no it is not harsh. She is an unmarried pentecostal 17 year old girl who is pregnant with her "so obviously not devout christian" boyfriend. I'm just judging her by the same standards as her church and family would judge any other unmarried teenager (i.e. Britney's little sister, Jamie Lynn)
If her daughter were not pregnant, do you think Mrs Palin would have any problem condemning someone else's teenage daughter? My feeling is the answer is "no"
Chill-Trick
Oct 15 2008, 08:25 AM
I agree, Palin would have no problem condemning someones daughter if the tables were turned, however, she would be wrong in doing so..
Look, you called her a slut and that was an ignorant thing to do, now move on to another subject and leave her daughter out of it.
BigBlueCowboy
Oct 15 2008, 04:21 PM
QUOTE(CPT_Doom @ Oct 13 2008, 01:38 PM)

I also keep going back to the voter turnouts in the primaries. When both the Dem and GOP races were competitive, the Dems were getting 2:1 and 3:1 voter turnout. Given the lack of enthusiasm for the McCain campaign (which was briefly reversed after the Bible Spice VP pick), that kind of turnout should overwhelm any racial effects.
The economy is going to overwhelm any racial effects.
ung
Oct 15 2008, 04:36 PM
QUOTE(Chill-Trick @ Oct 15 2008, 01:25 PM)

Look, you called her a slut and that was an ignorant thing to do, now move on to another subject and leave her daughter out of it.
How is that ignorant? What's more ignorant is having an unwanted pregnancy in this age of sex education and contraception.
Her daughter and family (since they're being paraded around as political tools to emphasize "family values") are legitimate topics of discussion. If you don't want them discussed, leave them at home!
swiminbuff
Oct 15 2008, 05:34 PM
"What's more ignorant is having an unwanted pregnancy in this age of sex education and contraception. "
hmmm.......thought you guys south of the border didn't believe in educating your kids about the birds and the bees, at least in the public schools and left it up to parents and church's to do the job. I certainly doubt that the Palins believed in sex ed for their children or anyone elses.
Probably why the US teen pregnancy rates is amongst the highest in the developed world.
Still doesnt make the young girl a slut though. Stupid, yes. Naive, yes. Foolish, certainly...but not a slut unless there is evidence she took on the hockey team.
ung
Oct 16 2008, 07:46 AM
I see what you're saying. But .... "To-may-to. To-mah-to." In my eyes it qualifies. Not to yours. But to mine.
anyway, so we agree to disagree.
fantomas
Oct 16 2008, 05:55 PM
The hateful, racist crap against Obama, blacks and other minorities, and the Democrats just keeps on coming. In addition to Rush Limbaugh's
deranged, racist tirade the other day, an
Inland Empire Republican women's group published an anti-Obama "food stamp" in their newsletter. Ha ha ha, except they forgot they have some black members!
Just keep it up. The GOP is digging an ever deeper abyss, and increasing the possibility that Obama will win. A blowout would actually be too kind under the circumstances.
TheOtherFSU
Oct 16 2008, 06:07 PM
That's horrible. "Obama bucks" with watermelon and fried chicken? I just can't comprehend how anyone can support politics like that. Disgusting.
I can't find a thread in which to place
this new ad for Democratic senate hopeful Tom Udall in New Mexico so I'm placing it here. It just may be the most touching political ad I've ever seen. I think Udall will win the election and it will be a Democratic pick-up of a formerly Republican seat. There's no denying this is a very powerful ad.
hockeyTom
Oct 16 2008, 08:08 PM
And she was ever so richly rewarded tonight as Olbermanns' WORST person...in the world!!!!

Disgusting.
sportinlife
Oct 20 2008, 10:48 PM
These relatively mild-mannered protesters at the McCain-Palin rallies are fortunately not the rabid sorts of racists that are
losing ground in today's political scene.
But in a society so materialistic as ours it is very easy to find a single individual willing to risk life and limb to do harm to a widely exposed political figure. And when a culture places so much faith in deadly weapons, the possibility of some desperate and distracted person taking matters into his/her own hands is always a worry.
I think that it is more likely that the greater danger now is not from an organized group but from the random extremist who is validated by the self-serving rhetoric of some on the "right"; and to a large extent McCain-Palin have made themselves the standard bearers of this new kind of egocentrism.
It is not that they are necessarily evil but that, in pursuing their political goals they have incited a movement that could replace the old bold blatant racism with a new and superficially more valid one.
The vanguard of this movement will now be those who are convinced that their individual liberty is threatened by any attempt to impose civility of group behavior on them. I don't think this will ultimately affect Barack Obama's candidacy or prevent him from governing but it is becoming a type of domestic terror.
OldSchoolBoy75
Oct 22 2008, 09:55 AM
"Racism" is not a one-way street, although the Establishment in this country want to preserve the notion that it is only a White social condition.
When Obama made references to Pennsylvanians as being into guns and whatnot, it was a dig and a thinly-veiled one at that. Of course the Media didn't call Obama on it, because he's one of the "protected" people. The double standards in this country when it comes to race are hysterical to the core.
sportinlife
Oct 22 2008, 11:07 AM
QUOTE
When Obama made references to Pennsylvanians as being into guns and whatnot, it was a dig and a thinly-veiled one at that.
I understand your point OldSchoolBoy75, but I think you may be wrongly pointing the blame at Obama, though I think your assessment of media bias is an occasionally accurate one.
His "point" was well-taken and he has been equally sanguine about the deficiencies usually associated with African-Americans; remember his
confession to Reverend Warner about regretting his earlier opposition to welfare reform, which he now believes was for the better even though it compelled single-parent mothers to work without always providing adequate childcare?
As I, and I think he has said, his quote
QUOTE
it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations
was a
clumsy attempt to show empathy with the plight of rural workingclass white men.
Now whether you are more willing to trust the motives of Barack Obama or those of Sarah Palin is your decision.
Bur it is unfair to assume the motives of one are bad while not being equally cynical about the motives of all.
Baxion
Oct 24 2008, 06:17 AM
WOW !!
This certainly is an eye opener for me. I had no idea that a supporter for McCain was a racist. Much less a hateful, violent person, according to the sub-title of this thread.
I've met many people who think he can do a better job than Obama. And still, I've met many people who think Obama and do a better job than McCain.
So please, enlighten me. Which are racist, hateful and violet people? And which are making a conscience decision to vote for the canidate who they think will do the better job?
Chill-Trick
Oct 24 2008, 08:06 AM
Sure Baxion, I'll bite...
McCain Supporters = "He's Arab", "I Don't Trust Him", "He's an 'N'" "I Don't Want an 'N' running MY Country" "He's a terrorist, kill him!" "Shoot him!"
Obama Supporters = "Our country can't handle 8 more years of failed policies" and "McCain is out of touch with the middle class"
There's a big difference, and it's pretty clear to see which side is hateful.
Munson Man
Oct 24 2008, 09:01 AM
So every McCain supporter simply shouts hateful slurs, but every Obama supporter makes cogent, erudite statements. You're picking the two polar opposites and making a comparison because it suits the biases you bring to the table. Frankly, I don't particularly find that any more admirable than the behavior you rightfully denounce in others. I'm not trying to single you out here, but I just get so impatient with these silly statements that purport to represent absolute good and absolute evil as being the defining characteristics of the opposing sides. The fact is the human condition has saddled us with the lesser angels of fear and misunderstanding in great abundance, and that cuts across all races, religions, nationalities, and, yes, political parties.
Puschkin
Oct 24 2008, 09:09 AM
Allow me to add
this to the mix, Baxion.
Chill-Trick
Oct 24 2008, 09:52 AM
QUOTE(Munson Man @ Oct 24 2008, 10:01 AM)

So every McCain supporter simply shouts hateful slurs, but every Obama supporter makes cogent, erudite statements. You're picking the two polar opposites and making a comparison because it suits the biases you bring to the table. Frankly, I don't particularly find that any more admirable than the behavior you rightfully denounce in others. I'm not trying to single you out here, but I just get so impatient with these silly statements that purport to represent absolute good and absolute evil as being the defining characteristics of the opposing sides. The fact is the human condition has saddled us with the lesser angels of fear and misunderstanding in great abundance, and that cuts across all races, religions, nationalities, and, yes, political parties.
I apologize MM, I should have added in "average/typical" supporter. Obviously it's not every supporter. However, it is clear as day, with no spin, no twisting no nothing, but pure fact that McCain's supporters has said stupid statements such as this. it's no twisthing and no spin it happened.
Is every Obama supporter perfect and making intelligent remarks? Again, of course not. But I have not heard ONE Obama supporter state that McCains needs to be shot because he is a terrorist, McCain's supporters has said it of Obama though. And these statements are derived from Princess Palin STILL telling her puppets that Obama is palling around with terrorists even though it's been proven incorrect over and over again.
Sorry MM, you can get mad at me for my views, because there's stupid stuff coming out of the left occasionally, but hateful, horrible, and pre outright lies comes more so from the right.
Munson Man
Oct 24 2008, 10:14 AM
You miss the point. There's nothing "average" about the people you're singling out. You paint with far too broad a stroke.
TRL
Oct 24 2008, 12:11 PM
Crazy Tracy's comments just about made me urp my coffee.
Who here would want to identify with her?
TRL
fantomas
Oct 24 2008, 02:34 PM
Crazy Tracy is a hoot!
Meanwhile, another McCain supporter and College Republican seems to have miscalculated very badly....
Ashley Todd claims attack by black Obama supporter in Pittsburgh,
admits she lied and is now facing charges.
SFJohn
Oct 24 2008, 03:31 PM
Ashley Todd needs help. This is part of what the McSame-Palin team have been provoking and trying to get started.
The president of Fox News said this would be the campaign issue that's talked about most in the final days (innocent, white McCain supporter Ashley being "attacked" by a black Obama supporter and carves the letter "B" apparently for Barack into her face). He said it would be the thing that turns the entire election around and gives McCain the presidency. Oops. He did provide one very big caveat however. He said, if for some reason her story turned out to be false (and he said he had no reason to believe it wasn't true), it would be the final nail in McCain's coffin and that McCain would lose the election and be forever associated with race-baiting.
Note to Ashley: When faking an "attack" and carving a letter into one's face, don't use a mirror because the letter will appear backwards.
George Twins fan
Oct 24 2008, 03:38 PM
QUOTE(fantomas @ Oct 24 2008, 03:34 PM)

The second I read that story in the paper I called bullshit.
TRL
Oct 24 2008, 03:57 PM
.....didn't believe it from the start either. Way TOO BIZARRE. But then, what isn't bizarre about this election ?
My question is, how far will the McCain/Palin supporters go? In other words, what's the next 'gimmick' that will be designed to throw Obama aside?
I shudder to think about the possibilities.
TRL
canmark
Oct 24 2008, 06:47 PM
Waaaaa... the big scary black man did this to me:
George Twins fan
Oct 24 2008, 07:21 PM
I wonder if she made the B backwards on purpose thinking that might make people believe it more because some big scary black mugger wouldn't be smart enough to know how to write the letter B?
fantomas
Oct 24 2008, 08:36 PM
QUOTE(George Twins fan @ Oct 25 2008, 12:21 AM)

I wonder if she made the B backwards on purpose thinking that might make people believe it more because some big scary black mugger wouldn't be smart enough to know how to write the letter B?
No, it was because she's stupid. Wouldn't, 'O', a simpler letter that would more immediately link to Obama, have come to her first? Oh, and Ashley, O is still O in a mirror!
BTW,
one of McCain's flacks pushed the most inflammatory aspects of this story to the media. Big surprise there! What was he thinking, let's win Pennsylvania and start a race war while we're at it?
George Twins fan
Oct 24 2008, 09:15 PM
I'm actually surprised that the McCain campaign hasn't alleged that this girl was actually a plant by some Democrat trying to make McCain's supporters look bad. This girl is a hoax. Joe the Plumber is a plant. Sarah Palin is a joke. And then there is John's brother Joe cursing and swearing at a 911 operator when he called 911 to complain about traffic. This has to be one of the most ridiculous campaigns ever.
sportinlife
Oct 24 2008, 09:34 PM
I like the explanation for the backward "B" on
this blog:
QUOTE
Maaaaybe the alleged robber straddled her upside-down while carving it into her face.
.
So he doesn't know which way to mount on a woman. Obviously he was gay as well.
Chill-Trick
Oct 25 2008, 10:24 AM
QUOTE(Munson Man @ Oct 24 2008, 11:14 AM)

You miss the point. There's nothing "average" about the people you're singling out. You paint with far too broad a stroke.
MM, had I made my statements pre-2000, a.k.a Bush's dictatorship reign, it would have been painting with a very broad brush. It would have been an ignorant statement to say "look at just about all republicans, they're racist and rude and just plain ass****s" Pre-2000 that would have been ignorant and wrong to say. Hell, I even liked McCain and Guiliani in 2000, they seemed normal....they were normal.
However, Bush
stole took the wheel and started drving this country into a major mess. His hate then divided this country not into Democrats of different varities and Republicans of different varities, but on the left he made everyone aware that he was a friggin idiot, and on the right, the side that supported him, he split up and he left very few moderate republicans, who still have a brain, but they simply share a different political view that I do. And the complete right wing nut hypocritical base of the party.
So now, in this day and age, yes the racist, sexist, homophobic ass****
is your average typical McCain supporter. They are the majority. You will find your average level headed McCain/Palin supporter here and there, but they are very few.
And on another point, it's really pissing me off that I can't type the word a.s.s.h.o.l.e. without it being edited, but it's purely ok for rear ends to be displayed for ads all over the god damn page.
sportinlife
Oct 29 2008, 08:32 PM
BoSoxRudy
Nov 2 2008, 05:57 PM
QUOTE(Chill-Trick @ Oct 25 2008, 08:24 AM)

So now, in this day and age, yes the racist, sexist, homophobic ass**** is your average typical McCain supporter. They are the majority. You will find your average level headed McCain/Palin supporter here and there, but they are very few.
How is it that liberals worship at the Altar of Political Correctness yet can be so disgracefully bigoted toward certain members of our society? When critics called Obama's handout (it's not a tax refund if you don't pay taxes in the first place) "welfare," that was RACIST!! Because in the Church of Political Correctness, any tough criticism of an African-American (or gay, or Muslim, or woman, etc.) is HATE, pure and simple (so much for nuanced thinking).
Yet Chill-Trick can openly accuse your average McCain supporter of being a racist, sexist, homophobic assh*le, without a hint of offense or outrage from the Acolytes of Political Correctness. Because sensitivity and consideration for others, which once upon a time were the foundation of political correctness, are reserved exclusively for oppressed groups, while it's perfectly OK if not encouraged to defecate all over Christians, Catholics, conservatives, Republicans, and of course that very summit of human evil, the white heterosexual male.
Allow me to present someone who I believe comes far closer to the typical McCain supporter -- Cory the Driller. Here's a brief excerpt of his open letter to Barack Obama: "You see, Mr. Obama, I’m the guy you intend to raise taxes on. I’m the guy who has spent 25 years toiling and sweating, fretting and fighting, stressing and risking, to build a business and get ahead. I’m the guy who has been on the very edge of bankruptcy more than a dozen times over the last 25 years, and all the while creating more and more jobs for East Texans who didn’t want to take a risk, and wouldn't demand from themselves what I have demanded from myself. I’m the guy you characterize as 'the Americans who can afford it the most' that you believe should be taxed more to provide income redistribution 'to spread the wealth' to those who have never toiled, sweated, fretted, fought, stressed, or risked anything." If you read
the whole letter, you get all the details (details are supposed to matter to nuanced thinkers, right?) of just how hard Cory worked, how much he risked, and how much he walked the walk of self-reliance. Please read his entire letter, if for no other reason than it's an amazing story. Then if after reading it, Chill-Trick, you still believe he and most other typical McCain supporters are racist, sexist, homophobic assh*les, contact him via his website listed at the bottom of the page and tell him as much.
Cory the Driller's reasons for supporting John McCain are pretty much the same as mine (plus I want a guy with balls of steel fighting the War on Terror, not someone who denigrated the Surge in Iraq and then tried for the longest time to deny its astonishing success). NRA members support McCain/Palin because they don't want Obama taking their guns away (not quite, but he does plan on taxing ammo so heavily that no one but Dick Cheney will be able to afford it - and does anybody really want that??). Evangelicals and conservative Catholics support McCain because they are HORRIFIED by Obama's support of partial-birth abortion and his refusal of medical care to infants born alive after botched abortions (I am especially horrified by the latter). Jewish voters are (or at least should be) supporting John McCain because Obama stayed at a dinner for Rashid Khalidi even after it turned into an anti-Israel hatefest. Special-needs families are voting for Sarah Palin because they feel a connection with her that transcends all politics and policy.
So Chill-Trick, you still think we're all a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic assh*les? Frankly, the only bigot I'm seeing here is you.
"So Chill-Trick, you still think we're all a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic assh*les? Frankly, the only bigot I'm seeing here is you."
BoSox,
Why are you trying to argue this now?
Thanks,
TRL
HornFan
Nov 2 2008, 06:26 PM
BoSox, you definitely have your GOP talking points in order, but I see nothing new in your distortions. Are you prone to manic episodes? Get a grip....it'll all be OK.
and PS: It hard to find a more racist and homophobic place in America than East Texas.
Chill-Trick
Nov 2 2008, 06:50 PM
QUOTE(BoSoxRudy @ Nov 2 2008, 06:57 PM)

Yet Chill-Trick can openly accuse your average McCain supporter of being a racist, sexist, homophobic assh*le, without a hint of offense or outrage from the Acolytes of Political Correctness.
So Chill-Trick, you still think we're all a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic assh*les? Frankly, the only bigot I'm seeing here is you.
No Rudy, if you and other McCain/republican supporters paid attention to my posts instead of just saying I am the one who's racist, or one poster who I consider a friend tell me my posts aren't worth his time, you would see that I said specifically that the way the republican party has changed so drastically since Bush took office, the
average supporter of that party is bigoted and homophobic. Now, let me say that again...the AVERAGE supporter. What this means is MOST of them are. NOT ALL, and I have repeated this many many times. I know MM is a republican, and he's funny bastard and a good person. Is he racist and homophobic? No. Because he doesn't fall into the average supporter category. Do you? I would assume not, I don't know you.
And what else is anyone supposed to think when rally after rally after rally Palin accuses Obama of terrorist ties, and thenl the people who attend the rallies scream out "kill him" or "shoot 'em" And how bout recently Palin has said she wold seek a FEDERAL BAN on gay marriage? And she probably has alot of people in her corner on that.
No BSR, I don't hate people, I get quite disappointed at times, but I don't hate and I am not ignorant.
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