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Munson Man
QUOTE(canmark @ Dec 25 2008, 08:51 AM) *

And why must we gays think that it's only about us?


Because if we don't worry about ourselves how can we expect others to worry about us.
George Twins fan
It just seems to me that Obama could have picked somebody who wasn't SO far to the extreme. There are countless ministers out there he could have selected who don't harbor such extreme views (or is at least smart/savvy enough to voice them publicly or written in his books and website).
hockeyTom
The choice wasn't that all surprising to me personally. Those of us who have followed Obama from the beginning of his run know that he is an inclusionary, not exclusionary as Bush. That is to say while he may not, and does not agree with Warren in many views, it is his style to bring someone with an opposing view to the table to begin a dialogue. I think he understands that by refusing to accept anothers point of view just because you disagree with someone, closes the dialogue. This is how he operates, and I expect more of the same style of thinking and actions from Obama. I don't care for Warren any more than anybody else here and couldn't disagree with him more, but I totally get WHY Obama picked him. I have read many. many stories about Obamas record of gay support from many who know him extremely well. The stories are documaneted in articles written in the Advocate. Obama may not be supportive of gay marriage just yet, but he is totally supportive of gays and lezbians, and always has been.
SCTrojan
Openly gay Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson will offer a prayer @ an inaugural event. This is good news considering the natl & intl attn he's been getting, both pro & con.

This is important:

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...Robinson, 61, said both Obama and Vice President-elect Joe Biden will attend the event, and Obama is expected to speak...
canmark
In some ways you have to feel sorry for Obama, what with every minority group needing to be appeased in some way. And when you make one group happy, you make another angry. But certainly the Gene Robinson announcement is a positive sign.
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Barack Obama's decision to have a prominent gay bishop open his inaugural festivities Sunday at the Lincoln Memorial is the latest in a series of moves that have heartened gay rights advocates smarting over evangelical pastor Rick Warren's prime spot at the swearing-in ceremony next week.
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Incoming White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, though he didn't give a time frame, recently told a questioner at www.change.gov that Obama plans to end the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that requires gay members of the military to hide their sexual orientation.
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The news about Robinson, whose name was listed Monday in an inaugural news release about the Sunday program, also provoked anger. Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, said Obama chose a "polarizing person" who "offends Catholics as much as he does Protestants. If that's his idea of inclusion, he can keep it."



millerbeach
I'm Catholic, and I'm not offended in the least. Speak for yourself, hater Bill Donohue. Jesus would welcome this news with open arms. Deal with it.
fantomas
QUOTE(Crew Chief @ Dec 19 2008, 10:09 PM) *

Funny. Because I never saw him speak. What I saw were typical restrictions that demanded speakers be of like mind and philosophy, something I used to think applied only to the Republicans.


Huh? What "restrictions"? A snippet of Bob Casey Jr. speech has frequently been featured on political shows since the Democratic Convention. Remember, he was the one who called John McCain George W. Bush's "sidekick." And yes, he supported Obama before many other Democrats did.

CC, I always read your posts and really respect you. So don't take this as criticism, but sometimes you do repeat stuff that comes straight out of the right. The Democrats have never "banned" any anti-abortion Democrats from speaking at their conventions. Bob Casey Sr., who's always cited as the example of this, refused to commit fully to Bill Clinton and Al Gore. That is why he did not speak at the convention. Not because he was anti-abortion.

In fact, isn't the Majority Leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, anti-abortion? I believe he is, and he received one of the lowest ratings of any Democrat from NARAL. The Democrats get on my nerves a lot too, but let's not believe the right-wing frames and lies about them.
Crew Chief
QUOTE(fantomas @ Jan 13 2009, 08:13 PM) *

CC, I always read your posts and really respect you.


The feeling is mutual, believe it or not.

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So don't take this as criticism, but sometimes you do repeat stuff that comes straight out of the right.


I must confess that sometimes I intentionally will play Devil's Advocate because I see so many people not just here but in many places who often sound like Kool-Aid drinkers and can never get past some blind ideology. Maybe that's why I presently am just so ambivalent toward the major political parties. I dunno.

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The Democrats get on my nerves a lot too, but let's not believe the right-wing frames and lies about them.


Truthfully, I'm having a hard time believing anything any politician says right now.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(millerbeach @ Jan 12 2009, 11:00 PM) *

I'm Catholic, and I'm not offended in the least. Speak for yourself, hater Bill Donohue. Jesus would welcome this news with open arms. Deal with it.


I'd add, "What part of inclusion do you not understand? Inclusion is UNCONDITIONAL Mr. Donohue!"

QUOTE(Crew Chief @ Jan 13 2009, 07:04 PM) *

...I see so many people not just here but in many places who often sound like Kool-Aid drinkers and can never get past some blind ideology...


I'm sure you know but that is also the case w/ those on the right (especially the far right). They, too, drink tons of Kool-Aid.
Crew Chief
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ Jan 13 2009, 09:38 PM) *


I'm sure you know but that is also the case w/ those on the right (especially the far right). They, too, drink tons of Kool-Aid.


I never said it wasn't. However, I don't hang out or socialize on right-wing sites, so I don't see as many of them as I do of us here. wink.gif
SCTrojan
I figured that kiddo! wink.gif
kick
QUOTE(BoSoxRudy @ Dec 23 2008, 10:10 PM) *

There has been so much bashing of born-again/evangelical Christians on this board (please don't ask me to do a search; it will embarrass a lot of board members), and in liberal gay circles, Christians are apparently one of the very few groups it's always safe to trash. Yet when The Messiah picks a virulently homophobic Christian minister for the honor of delivering the invocation, all of a sudden gays do a schizo-180 and start pleading for tolerance, unity, and reaching out. This is why I derisively refer to liberal gays as "the Sheep & Lemmings Set."



You would argue with someone who stated that the sky is blue.

You twist everything around to your own interpretation- which is fine- but you also never take the time to listen.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(BoSoxRudy @ Dec 23 2008, 02:10 PM) *

There has been so much bashing of born-again/evangelical Christians on this board (please don't ask me to do a search; it will embarrass a lot of board members), and in liberal gay circles, Christians are apparently one of the very few groups it's always safe to trash. Yet when The Messiah picks a virulently homophobic Christian minister for the honor of delivering the invocation, all of a sudden gays do a schizo-180 and start pleading for tolerance, unity, and reaching out. This is why I derisively refer to liberal gays as "the Sheep & Lemmings Set." ...


As a previously committed born-again Christian--who now identifies as a recovered born-again Christian--I beg to differ!
boomer400
QUOTE(fantomas @ Jan 13 2009, 09:13 PM) *

Huh? What "restrictions"? A snippet of Bob Casey Jr. speech has frequently been featured on political shows since the Democratic Convention. Remember, he was the one who called John McCain George W. Bush's "sidekick." And yes, he supported Obama before many other Democrats did.

CC, I always read your posts and really respect you. So don't take this as criticism, but sometimes you do repeat stuff that comes straight out of the right. The Democrats have never "banned" any anti-abortion Democrats from speaking at their conventions. Bob Casey Sr., who's always cited as the example of this, refused to commit fully to Bill Clinton and Al Gore. That is why he did not speak at the convention. Not because he was anti-abortion.

In fact, isn't the Majority Leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, anti-abortion? I believe he is, and he received one of the lowest ratings of any Democrat from NARAL. The Democrats get on my nerves a lot too, but let's not believe the right-wing frames and lies about them.

There are some things that only right-wing radio hosts talk about, and Bob Casey at the convention is one of them.

That's what listening to AM radio will do to a guy. Before you know it, you start involuntarily reciting talking points on obscure issues like card check, the Fairness Doctrine, and ACORN, and using the term "liberal Democrat" as a slightly naughty pejorative. In advanced stages of affliction, one begins to replace "Democratic" with "Democrat" as an adjective, declare that Sarah Palin just might have been a decent president, and other assorted sillinesses. Stay away from Sean Hannity, my friends.
mdterp01
QUOTE(fantomas @ Jan 13 2009, 09:13 PM) *


CC, I always read your posts and really respect you. So don't take this as criticism, but sometimes you do repeat stuff that comes straight out of the right. The Democrats have never "banned" any anti-abortion Democrats from speaking at their conventions. Bob Casey Sr., who's always cited as the example of this, refused to commit fully to Bill Clinton and Al Gore. That is why he did not speak at the convention. Not because he was anti-abortion.

In fact, isn't the Majority Leader of the Senate, Harry Reid, anti-abortion?


Fantomas I know what you're saying, but I don't like the word anti-abortion because NO ONE is pro abortion. The Republican mantra that Democrats support killing babies is so black and white and doesn't recognize the circumstances around it. I'm pro choice but I'm certainly not pro abortion. I simply believe that the law should not dictate what a woman does with her body when no one knows the circumstances behind it. Now these women who use abortion as birth control I vehemently disagree with, but I'm not going to be pro life for all the rest of the women who do it for a variety of other reasons such as health of the mother, rape, incest, or whatever other reason. And, even if a woman does use it as a form of birth control its none of my f*cking business. She will have to live with the moral consequences and medical difficulties to her body with repeat abortions.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 13 2009, 11:07 PM) *

Fantomas I know what you're saying, but I don't like the word anti-abortion because NO ONE is pro abortion. The Republican mantra that Democrats support killing babies is so black and white and doesn't recognize the circumstances around it. I'm pro choice but I'm certainly not pro abortion. I simply believe that the law should not dictate what a woman does with her body when no one knows the circumstances behind it. Now these women who use abortion as birth control I vehemently disagree with, but I'm not going to be pro life for all the rest of the women who do it for a variety of other reasons such as health of the mother, rape, incest, or whatever other reason. And, even if a woman does use it as a form of birth control its none of my f*cking business. She will have to live with the moral consequences and medical difficulties to her body with repeat abortions.


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fantomas
Here's a question: why does Bill Donohue get to speak for more than 67-77 million Catholics in the country? Why does anyone give this nut the time of day? He should have been ignored after he stirred up people over the Sensation show at the Brooklyn Museum and completely misrepresented Chris Ofili's painting "The Holy Virgin Mary."

QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 14 2009, 07:07 AM) *

Now these women who use abortion as birth control I vehemently disagree with, but I'm not going to be pro life for all the rest of the women who do it for a variety of other reasons such as health of the mother, rape, incest, or whatever other reason. And, even if a woman does use it as a form of birth control its none of my f*cking business. She will have to live with the moral consequences and medical difficulties to her body with repeat abortions.


Mdterp, I hear you. But I have a serious problem with the term "pro-life," because it only applies to anti-abortion folks, many of whom show little concern whatsoever for other "life" issues, like the suffering of millions of already born human beings who are in war zones, or starving, or on death row, and so on. Our anti-abortion president launched a war against a nation of people based on a lie, and even joked about this on more than one occasion. Is that "pro-life"? The term loses all meaning under the circumstances.

And actually there *are* people who are "pro-abortion." Not for all women all the time, but for themselves. They believe in it. I consider myself pro-choice and pro-women's reproductive rights and choices. But I would also rather that every single woman have access to truly affordable reproductive health facilities, counseling and contraception, funded by the government no matter what, and safe abortifacient drugs if they need them.
mdterp01
Well you make a good point about the term "pro life" as well fantomas.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 14 2009, 04:39 PM) *

Well you make a good point about the term "pro life" as well fantomas.


Yes, I have always raised the issues, that fantomas raised, to "pro-lifers." I often argued that if you are truly pro-life--in a literal/strict sense--then you'd be against war & the death penalty too! Most support both.
SCTrojan
Dang! This weekend up until the 20th DC is gonna be hopping! I can't wait. smile.gif
mdterp01
The boyfriend and I just arrived in Georgetown for the weekend's festivities. We are staying with a couple we know who recently moved here. There is going to be so much going on this weekend starting tonight and its going to be virtually non stop between tonight and late into Inauguration night. I'll be watching the AFC and NFC Championship games from my phone because the We Are One Inaugural Concert at the Lincoln Memorial is at 230pm on Sunday and thats the one with Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce, Herbie Hancock, Josh Groban, Stevie Wonder, and Shakira just to name a few.

Here is a link for many of the festivities this weekend.

Inauguration Calendar

For anyone coming down, enjoy it...soak it up....cherish the moment. It is truly an amazing moment in history. Have a great weekend all.
TheOtherFSU
Wow did I love the Obama inauguration concert today at the Lincoln Memorial. For those who didn't catch it on HBO, it's a great show and packed with a 'whos who' list of artists. The most moving part of it for me was seeing the DC Gay Men's Chorus performing with Heather Headley and Josh Groban in front of the hundreds of thousands gathered there and the millions watching on TV. To see a gay chorus singing at an inaugural concert for a black president on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial was very moving. It was terrific and gave me chills! Here's the YouTube clip.

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.DJ.
QUOTE(Bill W @ Dec 16 2008, 11:26 AM) *

What I care about is repeal of DOMA and other forms of discrimination, not parade acts.

DADT or Don't Ask, Don't Tell is something I'd like to see go away. I know a few in-the-closet gays who work in the Armed Forced and are on active duty at the moment.
Finneye
It's a pity bishop Gene Robinson's opening prayer was not included in the broadcast from the inaugural concert. At least it wasn't shown in the live version we saw here in Finland. I heard he was on ten minutes before the televized portion started.
canmark
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Jan 18 2009, 11:56 PM) *

Wow did I love the Obama inauguration concert today at the Lincoln Memorial. For those who didn't catch it on HBO, it's a great show and packed with a 'whos who' list of artists. The most moving part of it for me was seeing the DC Gay Men's Chorus performing with Heather Headley and Josh Groban in front of the hundreds of thousands gathered there and the millions watching on TV. To see a gay chorus singing at an inaugural concert for a black president on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial was very moving. It was terrific and gave me chills! Here's the YouTube clip.

I caught that segment after it had started-- did the choir had their name shown on screen? It seemed like they didn't announce the singers, but showed their name on screen. Perhaps because I was flipping channels, but there were a number of times when there was a choir singing backup (such as with Garth Brooks) that I didn't see who they were.

Re: Gene Robinson's invocation
AfterElton.com says:
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Openly gay bishop Gene Robinson delivered the opening prayer before the start of the concert, but the prayer was not included as part of HBO's broadcast.

Contacted Sunday night by AfterElton.com concerning the exclusion of Robinson's prayer, HBO said via email, "The producer of the concert has said that the Presidential Inaugural Committee made the decision to keep the invocation as part of the pre-show."

Here's the text of what Robinson said.
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Welcome to Washington! The fun is about to begin, but first, please join me in pausing for a moment, to ask God’s blessing upon our nation and our next president.

O God of our many understandings, we pray that you will…

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And please, God, keep him safe. We know we ask too much of our presidents, and we’re asking FAR too much of this one. We know the risk he and his wife are taking for all of us, and we implore you, O good and great God, to keep him safe. Hold him in the palm of your hand – that he might do the work we have called him to do, that he might find joy in this impossible calling, and that in the end, he might lead us as a nation to a place of integrity, prosperity and peace.
SCTrojan
Yeah! When we were watching the concert yesterday, I said to my bf & sis "Hey! I think that must be one of the Gay Men's Chorus, probably DCs." My sis was heartened by it. smile.gif

Also, I was disappointed that Bishop Robinson's prayer was not part of the show or at least would have gotten more coverage. Based on the linked text on here, however, it was a VERY nice prayer.

Gotta love all of the readers/performers gleaming smiles. I especially loved Bono's enjoyment of the historical moment.

Finally, also gotta REALLY love a prez that can "get down!" biggrin.gif
TheOtherFSU
QUOTE(canmark @ Jan 19 2009, 03:24 AM) *

I caught that segment after it had started-- did the choir had their name shown on screen? It seemed like they didn't announce the singers, but showed their name on screen. Perhaps because I was flipping channels, but there were a number of times when there was a choir singing backup (such as with Garth Brooks) that I didn't see who they were.


The choir didn't get its name shown on TV. There were many choirs during the show, and none of them (except for one) had their name shown. The only choir that had its name shown was a military choir. Some of the individual performers also didn't have their names shown. I'm not sure why. Other than that, the production quality was remarkable for a live event. That's one show that is going to pick up a slew of Emmy nominations this fall.

The only real screw-up I noticed was when some Army guy singing the national anthem messed up "...and the home of the brave." He stopped briefly, paused and restarted. I'm sure that was pretty embarrassing for him. Jamie Foxx was blah but there were some great moments. Garth Brooks was terrific and got the crowd really into it. John Legend and Jennifer Nettles were great. Really I think everyone was outstanding, especially doing it live in freezing conditions and in front of millions. I had to replay the DC Gay Men's Chorus performance with Josh Groban and Heather Headley a couple of times today already.
millerbeach
I am just so happy this day is finally here. I really thought we'd never make it, after all the crap that has gone on in this country for the last 8 years. Thank God Almighty, free at last. What wonderful words.
canmark
The news is already showing hundreds of thousands of people standing in the cold Washington darkness (at 6am!), jockeying for position. At my work (in Toronto) they will be showing the innauguration in the boardrooms today for any employee that wants to go and watch.
hockeyTom
AMEN to that Millerbeach. Our LONG national nightmare has FINALLY come to an end!!!!! laugh.gif
Munson Man
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Jan 19 2009, 02:41 PM) *
Garth Brooks was terrific



Garth Brooks was amazing, and Beyonce did a great job, too. But the star of the show was Mary J. Blige in her knee-high snakeskin boots...awesome!!
Finneye
Congratulations, USA, for the new era just begun! biggrin.gif
SCTrojan
I am humbly grateful for being able to witness this historic & wonderful moment. Hallelujah!
hockeyTom
More kleenix please. I have been balling for about 45 minutes now. I am so proud to say I am an American right now. smile.gif
Bill W
And now let's see what actually changes.
Munson Man
QUOTE(hockeyTom @ Jan 20 2009, 12:40 PM) *

More kleenix please. I have been balling for about 45 minutes now. I am so proud to say I am an American right now. smile.gif



Thanks for sharing. most of us were bawling, but whatever works for you. smile.gif

The process of democracy is quite majestic, isn't it?
TheOtherFSU
John Roberts = idiot. You're just gonna wing it while administering the oath of office? What a tool.

Those Obama daughters are so damn cute!
Crew Chief
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Jan 20 2009, 12:59 PM) *
John Roberts = idiot.


Why? Because he corrected Obama's flub of the oath? Because he and Obama both had a mis-step? Puh-leeze. Get over yourself and your childish behavior toward the Chief Justice. I'm sure both gentlemen are a tad embarrassed that the oath wasn't flawlessly delivered; and I'm sure both gentlemen don't think the world is going to end because of it.


sooners2727
QUOTE(Crew Chief @ Jan 20 2009, 04:25 PM) *

Why? Because he corrected Obama's flub of the oath?


Umm... you're incorrect. Roberts screwed up.

From the AP:

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But at one point, Obama paused abruptly after Roberts reversed several words in the oath.

The oath includes the phrase "that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States" but Roberts didn't say "faithfully" until after saying "president of the United States."
HornFan
I thought it was amazing that Obama realized Roberts got it wrong immediately at such a momentus point in his life personally...I would have already been hysterically blind at such a time. Just more grace under pressure for Obama and a sign that we got it right this time.

I don't think Roberts did it on purpose....he just made an epic fail. It's what? 35 words?



Crew Chief
QUOTE(sooners2727 @ Jan 20 2009, 04:12 PM) *


Umm... you're incorrect. Roberts screwed up.

From the AP:



Uh, no I'm not. The point I made is that they both made a gaffe. Big deal. It was the first time for both, who were probably nervous.

Did you pitch such a hissy fit when Feinstein said "oaf" of office rather than "oath" of office? I doubt it.

Such is the price we pay for being human. As they say, these things happen. We should simply chuckle a bit rather than start calling someone an idiot because he's not as perfect as TheOtherFSU is.
J eddie
I had a problem with the gentleman preaching about tolerance and then praying (this not an exact quote) "Let black get back,let brown be around,let red get ahead,let yellow be mellow and let white finally do what's right"
This mixing racial discord with religion is getting old. mad.gif
SCTrojan
He actually forgot one Eddie:

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When the gay can get in the marriage fray
or

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When the gay can get in the military fray


Btw, can someone please tell me what the Rev. meant by some of his so-called ryhmes...Some parts can be construed as racist...Just sayin. ie, "Let yellow be mellow." Huh? blink.gif
kick
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Jan 19 2009, 04:56 AM) *

Wow did I love the Obama inauguration concert today at the Lincoln Memorial. For those who didn't catch it on HBO, it's a great show and packed with a 'whos who' list of artists. The most moving part of it for me was seeing the DC Gay Men's Chorus performing with Heather Headley and Josh Groban in front of the hundreds of thousands gathered there and the millions watching on TV. To see a gay chorus singing at an inaugural concert for a black president on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial was very moving. It was terrific and gave me chills! Here's the YouTube clip.

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Damn HBO blocking this!!!!! UGH!
canmark
Where I work (in Canada) they combined 4 boardrooms, set up 4 large screens, and well over 100 people watched CNN's coverage of the swearing in and Obama's speech. It was a historic event and I'm glad that I was able to see it live.

There were some laughs at a few points: the flubbed oaths; when they showed people watching in other places and somebody in Pasadena (I think) yawned; at Aretha's hat. On that note, I've read more than a few things on the Internet about people saying, "Aretha, what were you thinking?" Actually, given the Queen of Soul's taste in clothes (from enormous feathered and sequined ball gowns to enormous furs), I thought it was quite restrained, and not inappropriate or funny. As someone else said, it gave her a church lady look. You work that crown, girl!

Just found this on the Internet: Aretha Franklin -- who has rocked her fair share of amazing headgear over the years -- wrapped her head in a crystal studded bow. The $179 hat, customized with Swarovski crystals, came from Mr. Song Millinery in Detroit where Luke Song has been making ladies dress hats for 25 years.

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SCTrojan
QUOTE(canmark @ Jan 20 2009, 04:48 PM) *

...As someone else said, it gave her a church lady look. You work that crown, girl!...

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LOL! Get out of me! I thought, "Looks like something she'd wear for church."
canmark
Text of Obama's Inaugural Address. Word cloud:
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As a "non-believer," I did like that he mentioned us. ("We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus — and nonbelievers.")
kick
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ Jan 21 2009, 12:51 AM) *

LOL! Get out of me! I thought, "Looks like something she'd wear for church."


That is giving her way tooooo much credit. Anyone remember what she wore to the Super Bowl here in Detroit- I have blocked it from memory, but just remember hideous!!!

Loved the coat and gloves, but she could have worn a more intelligent headpiece! A big bow? C'mon! LOL
SCTrojan
QUOTE(kick @ Jan 20 2009, 05:13 PM) *

...Anyone remember what she wore to the Super Bowl here in Detroit- I have blocked it from memory, but just remember hideous!!!...


You mean this: ohmy.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif

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HornFan
I certainly enjoyed Beyonce's rendition of "At Last" for the Obama's first dance at the Neighborhood Ball. Nice choice.
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