Oh boy.....let the DRAMA begin yettttttttt agaiiiiiiiin!!!!

Seriously. Wonder if Brett thinks last season was worth it. Pissing off Packers fan and altering (tarnishing?) his legacy.

A graceful exit is an under-rated skill.

Yeah, Favre should have stayed retired the first time. I think if he realized how quickly people would turn on him when going from a winning streak to a losing streak in just one season, he probably would have never come back.

Between a bitter Green Bay organization and Green Bay fans, angry NY fans, his own teammates who blasted him in the press, and even people like Cowher taking swipes at him, he really must feel some regret for not going out gracefully, even if he did help give the Jets a whiff of playoff hopes down the stretch after turning a previous year's 4-12 record into a 9-7 one.

Brett...you had a great career, the clock struck midnight already...it's been time to go for sometime, now.

I can't believe you started a new thread for this...

The old one has to be around somewhere...

Uhh no. I wasn't goin through all that hoop jumping to find an old thread. Besides, this is new because he's doing it....AGAIN!!

Oh, Brett...how will anyone miss you if you don't go away? I bet there will still be rumors of teams having interest in him, though. There might be a team or two desperate enough to take a chance on him. Anyone notice that a lot of teams are pretty sketchy at QB?

This is the kind of drama I can handle. lol The man's not sure if he's done playing a game. And strike him down he actually changes his mind. In the tradition of Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Michael Jordan, Johnny U, Joe Montana (ok, maybe they didn't retire, but they didn't go gracefully when their teams dumped them, they pushed and played longer), among others.

Plus the drama of watching how loud the blabber fests on sports discussion shows can get over something like this.

Sure beats baseball's drama of who took what when, and who's still waiting for a definition of is.

Farve had a bad last 1/3 of the year. But...they kept playing him, no? Doesn't that suggest he was still the best they had? It's not like he was keeping a prime Marino or Kelly on the bench this past year.

One.... I do think that he would have been much more fondly remembered had he stayed retired. He would still be idolized by the Green Bay Loyals. And he wouldn't be getting bad mouthed as a washed up has been who stayed around too long.


In all fairness though.. you have to ask "why is it so hard for these athletes to exit while still at the top?" Uou guys cited Montana among others...

Is it any wonder? All these guys have done and known their entire lives is football. and only football since the time they were in High school. Do you think these guys have a second career as a medical researcher waiting in the wings? Most of them have not studied anything else. Most of them only know football.

It is the rare athlete who can maintain top performance while also studying topics that would broaden themselves as human beings or as scholars.

What do you tell a surgeon who has lost his medical license?

Don't get me wrong. I still think Favre was a dumbass for what he did. Steffi Graf and Borg are 2 examples of athletes who leave while still golden. But those are the exceptions and not the rules.

Well Graf is, maybe, at least. But she wasn't nearly as dominant when she retired in 1999 as before, but she went out after winning a big event (the French Open) and making the finals of Wimbledon in '99, so she at least went out on a good note. Borg, like Justine Henin, are examples of ego-maniacs people who realized they weren't the best anymore, and left WAAAY too early. 26 and 25 years old, respectively, is too young for athletes like them to leave the game.

To be honest, I don't think Favre was like any of these athletes. He could have still been more like Graf if he had just stayed retired, because they had such a great year in '07, having lost the NFC championship to the eventual Superbowl winners. That was really his time to go out with a bang, like Graf in '99.

The risk of his return didn't pay off. If the Jets had made the playoffs, there's no doubt in my mind he wouldn't be trashed by his teammates or the press or previous teams and fans, and would be a hero for turning a badly losing team into a playoff team. But with the glory of being a quarterback, you also get the "quarterback blame" when things don't go well...even if you're part of a team that did much better than the previous year. He rolled the dice, he lost.

But I guess that's the question. The timing and the ego. What's worse? The egos who aren't "it" anymore, so they take their bat and ball and go home in the 4th inning (or 2nd quarter, or first set...you get my point ) Or is it worse to be the ego that just can't come to terms with the fact their best days are behind them and can't find a way to exit gracefully, and stay exited, and find a way to piss off a whole lot of people at the same time?

I've said it before, I have more respect for people who continue to play for love of the game even when knowing they're not the best anymore...than I do for the self-important narcissists who can only be #1, and if they can't be, just won't play. But those who can't leave and stay left, are just as bad as those who leave too early...and for the same reason... their egos.

While I would have loved for Montana to retire as a 49er, he did not retire and then come back to the Chiefs. He asked for and got a trade I believe.

I don't think we have the full story on Justine Henin. That one is just too weird.

Some or all of you are numb, Favre gave life to the NYJ organization. Favre is great and deserves chops. I could only guess who you think is great. Go on................hit me with your great for today.

Favre runs cirlces around the majority of the QBs in the NFL.

OK, Tom Brady. Already has three SB rings, and he's only 31. He has an incredible career (with plenty of time left on it), amazing good looks, a hot famous wife, and the ability to not be an indecisive drama-queen ego-maniac like Favre.



...but certainly not Brady. But I do agree he didn't get enough credit for turning NY's fortunes around the year he was there.

You can go back to your name-calling now.

Favre USED to run circles around most NFL quarterbacks. Not any more. He had a nice stretch in 2008 but ultimately the Jets fell short. He was clearly on a downward spiral, and if he returns in 2009 he'll have less of an impact with whatever team gives him a shot.

I knew it would be Tom. Okay, so Tom has three SB rings or three SB rings with an * on each and every one of them. Age has nothing to do with anything. As for his looks, that is completely an opinion and that goes for his wife too. When you mentioned drama-queen and ego-maniac, I was sure you were referring to Tom. Oh well, that is an opinion too.

Favre is just playing a sport that he loves and plays extremely well. I am sure every QB would hope to play as long as guys like Favre and Warner.

Favre: drama queen
Brady: Errand Boy!

Why do all of his rings have an "*" on them? (This ought to be entertaining) Please, enlighten us.

Tennis G, where have you been? Try googling the words "Patriots", "Asterik", or "Spy-gate" in any combination. I doubt it will enlighten anyone, but hey, it's only my opinion.

Oh yeah...the non-issue that everyone knows it is...and it still doesn't change the fact that Brady's a better quarterback than Favre is, or was. Keep embarrassing yourself, it's entertaining.

TG, it's quite embarrassing when your basis for Lady Brady being a better QB than Favre is SB rings facted with *s, age, looks, a "hot famous wife", and he can make good descisions.

Further, your basis for Favre being an indecisive drama-queen ego-maniac is because he decided not to retire last season. All in all Green Bay suffered and the NYJ had a decent season.

Okay, just so you and I are clear, your anger has nothing to do with football? You see three shiney SB rings and a Stetson ad and it automatically makes Lady Brady a great QB. I am sure the Patriots offense would like a little credit for protecting Lady Brady. Put Brady in any other offense and he would be just another average QB.

His looks and wife aren't my basis, the three SB rings vs just one are. And it's the bitter fanboys of all other teams who try to claim they have an "*" attached to them...because they seem to forget that after this silly spygate happened (like all other teams don't do the same or something similar) they STILL won the next 16 of 17 games in that season. No wonder the ESPN commentators got sick of it and called it overblown so early on. You want a REAL "*"? Try Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens...THOSE guys deserve an asterisk.

And no, my distaste for Favre comes from his inability to retire, and stay retired. If you're going to call it quits, call it quits, don't put your fans (Green Bay) through what they had to go through. How could he NOT see all the turmoil he was causing the organization and the GB fans? If he saw all that, and actually understood it, and all the negative fallout from the drama, he would have just packed it in early on, and stay retired. But no, he just HAD to have the spotlight on him again.

Trying to credit the rest of the Patriot's offense for all of Brady's success is pretty laughable, but that seems to be your pattern, laughability. If that were true, they would have made the playoffs with Cassel, since according to your brilliant logic, it's only because of the rest of the offensive line that the Patriots have succeeded, not the talent of the quarterback himself.

If you want to believe an older, past-his-prime, quarterback with one SB ring, 7 seasons with 17 or more interceptions and with a lifetime QB rating of 85.4 .... is somehow better than a younger, still-in-his-prime, quarterback with 3 SB rings already, a lifetime QB rating of 92.9 (where the most interceptions he's thrown in a season is 14, as opposed to good ol' Brett, where the fewest he's thrown is 13)...well you have fun with that belief. SB rings are from actual results and facts, unlike MVPs...which are awarded by some writers.

You asked the question, who's better than Favre today. I answered. Tom Brady. Like another poster said, Favre USED TO BE a great quarterback, he's past his prime now. And it's not just for now, in comparing both careers, Brady's still the better quarterback, but it won't really be fair to compare them until Brady's career is over as well. Hopefully when he retires, he'll learn from your hero, Favre, on how NOT to do it.

Ten G, you had me engaged until your third paragraph. If it weren't for the Pattys offense, Brady would be knocked on his arse........further he would not throw. Give a bit credit to the O!

Message me personally if would like to continue this conversation. I may reply. You're coming off as another horney Brady fan here because Entertainment Tonight did a story on three rings and a baby daddy.

If you're giving Brady all the credit for the three SB wins then one could givie him the credit for the *s. Favre; retired not retired, does not diminish that he gave life to GB and to NJY, in just one year. That's great. Brady, the media whore will go down in sports history as the 3*sSBs and knocking up a washed up actress and marrying a big boned model.

Kiss your Brady poster goodnight!

Awww.....someone asked a question, but didn't like the answer. Sorry if actual facts and results scared you away. Ironically, you said I was the one that didn't want to make it about football, but when I gave you the actual stats and ratings that proved my point (and the truth that Brady is a better quarterback), you went further into name-calling mode and "waaah, spygate" paranoia mode.

Sorry, Sparky, I'm done with you. Feel free to ask questions you don't really want answers to, and to skirt facts and throw tantrums at will...carry on.

Okay, so I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and read the rest of your post. So you're really going with a couple of ratings and again, the 3 SB rings as statistics for a strong debate? As for handling the answer to my question; do you know how many knucklehead Brady lovers like you I have had this conversation with? I can handle the answer because I knew the answer already. I was asking the question in sarcasm; you bafoon and you fell for it. Brady is a safety net player for knuckleheads that no nothing about football.

The fact is you have no true information to back up Brady's greatness. All you have are the 3 SB rings and other opinionated items. Try some self-reading online and you will find that each Patty SB win was by no means a dominance. All three wins are by 3 points. The win against the Panthers was practically handed to the Pattys due to an out of bounds kick that left the Pattys with great field position, further 3 point field goal. A win is a win and that's how the game is played. I get it. The Steelers played some sloppy football and they took the big prize. The Giants regular season was 10-6 and they won all the marbles. Based on your determination of greatness (SB rings, age, "hot" wife, a rating), Dan Marino had a pointless career.

You're such a joke. You refuse to give credit where credit is deserved. You have implied that Brady single handedly wins games. A team has to have a stellar O that protects and allows a QB to throw. Perhaps the concept is a bit foggy with your infatuation with Brady and all.

You may be "done", but I know you will read this. I am sure you have checked for my reply and Ten' G, it will take everything in you not to reply.

Basically, you've come off like a silly scary little girl with a crush

Oh no... Brett will be a Viking this season according to Glazer

Kind of a shame that the guy can't shop without a troupe of gawkers.

But that brother servicing serving him at the counter: TRIPLE WOOF! Dude could light my fire.

That scene of him and Tommy boy would make a great opening for a porn vid. "Whoops, I dropped your change sir. Is that it in your crotch? Let me get that for you."

Back to Brett: What he feels like and what he looks like are two entirely different things.

Hope he can reconcile the two.

No surprise here. Packers fans are fuming! On the field, Brett's gonna have a bruising game when he plays against his former team, especially @ Green Bay.

Favre is a fine QB. I am fine with him being back. It's not like he is a dog killer.

Brett Favre to the NFL: I wish I could quit you!!

But watching him play this year is like watching an old dog who needs to be put out of his misery. He may not be a dog killer but he sure is a buzz killer. Totally sucked this year.

When Johnny Carson retired from the Tonight Show, many people were surprised, believing that he had several more years left in him. When asked why he retired when he did, Carson explained that he'd rather retire at a point in his career when people asked him why he retired, telling him he was still on his game, than to retire and have people tell him he should have retired years ago.

Brett Favre exemplifies this. He should have done what Carson did. However, Favre's ego and narcissism precluded him from doing the smart thing.

It's better to go out on top when one is still fresh than to be past your prime.

Nobody was more frsutrated with Favre and the Vikings this year than me. That said, after having what many consider his best season last year, why should he have retired? It's easy to say that in hindsight. It was definitely tough to watch this season but if Sidney Rice and Favre had both had their surgeries right after last years NFC title game instead of waiting until right before training camp it might have been a whole different story. I'm not going to judge when someone should retire. If they can still play and still enjoy playing then go for...and based on last season, that wasn't a question at all.