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fantomas
I hope it's not true.

Ex-girlfriend sues Alomar, alleges AIDS.

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Former New York Mets star Roberto Alomar had unprotected sex with his ex-girlfriend while he had full blown AIDS, a sensational lawsuit charges.

In the $15 million action filed in Brooklyn Federal court, Ilya Dall, of Queens, said the ballplayer tested positive for HIV in 2006 and a doctor later told him he had AIDS.

Dall said she tested negative for the disease — but is claiming punitive damages for emotional distress. She also claims her children were exposed to the virus.

Alomar, 41, a 12-time All Star, who retired from baseball in 2005, began dating Dall in 2002, and began having unprotected sex with her a short time later, according to the suit.

Her suit does not claim that he knew he had AIDS when they were having unprotected sex — but he had reason to think he might because his doctors kept advising him to be tested. He procrastinated and told her he was disease free, the suit says. In 2004, she said, she noticed he had cold sores. The following year he was diagnosed with a blood disorder that's linked to AIDS, the suit says.

Also in 2005, Alomar told Dall that when he once was raped by two Mexican men after playing a ballgame in New Mexico, according to the suit.


The New York Daily News's version.

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In papers filed in state and federal court, Dall said Alomar finally got tested in January 2006 while suffering from a cough, fatigue and shingles.

"The test results of him being HIV-positive was given to him and the plaintiff on or about Feb.6, 2006," the $15 million negligence suit says.

Nine days later, the couple went to see a disease specialist who discovered a mass in the retired second baseman's chest, the court papers say.

Alomar's skin had turned purple, he was foaming at the mouth and a spinal tap "showed he had full-blown AIDS," the suit says.

Alomar, 41, who quit baseball over health issues in 2005, could not be reached for comment.


Buck
If you have unprotected sex with a man who refuses to get tested, it's your own damn fault. And how exactly were her children exposed to the virus? Did they share needles with him?

She should be happy it didn't go Darwin's way for her.
mdterp01
This woman's story does seem a bit sketchy the more I read about it. Is there a precedent for this kind of lawsuit with a woman who tested negative still suing because a guy did have unprotected sex with her knowing that he was HIV+?
swiminbuff
Well if he does have it at least it will put AIDS back in the mainstream media where it has been sadly missing in recent years. The media seems to now treat AIDS as a problem for Africa or Asia, while it still remains a killer in North America.

As for your question Mdterp, not sure about the US, but in Canada there have been successful prosecutions for reckless endangerment of life but that would only apply if she didnt know about his condition. If she knew and still consented to unprotected sex it would seem she endangered her own life and shouldnt have a leg to stand on. Given the history of civil suits and jury awards in the US though Roberto better start hiding the $$.

fantomas
I think she just wants his money. Whether she has a legal leg to stand on perhaps one of the lawyers on here can answer.

If he does have AIDS, though, I hope he's willing to be public about it and let people know it's not a disease of the past, especially not for black and Latinos, people in the Caribbean, and so on. I also hope he urges people who might be at risk to get tested, since if he does have it and begged off on being tested and treated for so long, he could have died. I always wondered what the mysterious medical reasons for his retirement were.

One of the strangest passages is that alleged "rape" by two "Mexican" men in the Southwest, or, as the other article says, "New Mexico." Huh? You're a guy who gets raped by two men and 1) you don't remember where and 2) you never report it?

Neither of their stories computes.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(fantomas @ Feb 11 2009, 03:46 PM) *

...One of the strangest passages is that alleged "rape" by two "Mexican" men in the Southwest, or, as the other article says, "New Mexico." Huh? You're a guy who gets raped by two men and 1) you don't remember where and 2) you never report it?...


OK, I'll say it: "You can't rape the willing." ohmy.gif huh.gif

Seriously, that part was more bizarre than her suit. Honestly, knowing many Latino men, being on the dl is not unheard of. rolleyes.gif
swiminbuff
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ Feb 11 2009, 07:01 PM) *

OK, I'll say it: "You can't rape the willing." ohmy.gif huh.gif

Seriously, that part was more bizarre than her suit. Honestly, knowing many Latino men, being on the dl is not unheard. rolleyes.gif


There were rumours about him when he played in Toronto, but I always thought it was just wishful thinking on the part of some guys. Maybe not......
phillyrunner
I guess this story is strange enough to take A-Rod out the the media spotlight. If he got raped in New Mexico as a 17 year old why would he not have told anyone, not even his dad Sandy . Either she is making that story up or if it is true then I agree with the comment about "you can't rape the willing"
SCTrojan
Yeah but if one is raped one does not go around claiming that one's uncertain where it happened. God knows I would remember as a 17 year-old kid every detail, especially where it happened:

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In April 2005, Alomar told Dall he was suffering from erectile dysfunction and confided "he was raped by two Mexican men after playing a ballgame in New Mexico or a Southwestern state when he was 17," the suit says.


That quote alone is too fishy imho.
Joe in Philly
The words "New Mexico or a Southwestern state" may not have been his words. It may be her not remembering exactly what he said, if he indeed said this.

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If he got raped in New Mexico as a 17 year old why would he not have told anyone, not even his dad Sandy.


Comments such as "you can't rape the willing" is exactly the reason he would keep it to himself. It's what women have gone through for so long: "Oh, she was asking for it wearing that dress" and the like. The stigma for a male rape victim would probably be even greater.
amazin12
QUOTE(fantomas @ Feb 11 2009, 05:44 PM) *


I heard rumors about Robbie Alomar throughout the latter part of his career. And I think this was the guy, and not Piazza, who was being rumored about in 2002....which led to Piazza'a infamous press conference.

I feel for Roberto Alomar today. Something about him makes me look up to him as a courageous person right now along with being a terrific baseball player.
mdterp01
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Feb 11 2009, 08:48 PM) *

Comments such as "you can't rape the willing" is exactly the reason he would keep it to himself. It's what women have gone through for so long: "Oh, she was asking for it wearing that dress" and the like. The stigma for a male rape victim would probably be even greater.


Exactly!!! rolleyes.gif I thought the same thing when I read and heard those comments today. Why wouldn't he tell somebody? I can think of plenty of reasons. He's latino so you've got the whole machismo angle, an athlete, could've been ashamed. I know a couple guys who were raped and they never reported it to anyone because of shame, embarrassment, not wanting to be outed. Both of the guys were on the DL and it was in college when it happened and they didn't want to go to the student center for fear that it would spread on campus, and were just too embarrassed to get checked out by any ER. They just went and got STD and HIV tests as if it was just for routine purposes. I could never imagine to put myself in the mind of someone who was raped and question why or why they didn't report it. I mean if he was 17 at the time and had 2 guys do this to him I can only imagine the trauma.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Feb 11 2009, 05:48 PM) *

The words "New Mexico or a Southwestern state" may not have been his words. It may be her not remembering exactly what he said, if he indeed said this.
Comments such as "you can't rape the willing" is exactly the reason he would keep it to himself. It's what women have gone through for so long: "Oh, she was asking for it wearing that dress" and the like. The stigma for a male rape victim would probably be even greater.


I totally agree w/ you regarding REAL rape victims. My point was is that he may have engaged in a consensual 3-way, became infected, & now claims he was raped.

Plus, men on the dl tend to have lots of shame & contracting HIV could have made it that more shameful for him. Just speculating & sayin...
mdterp01
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ Feb 11 2009, 09:48 PM) *

I totally agree w/ you regarding REAL rape victims. My point was is that he may have engaged in a consensual 3-way, became infected, & now claims he was raped.

Plus, men on the dl tend to have lots of shame & contracting HIV could have made it that more shameful for him. Just speculating & sayin...


Good point.
mdterp01
Roberto Alomar Denies Illness Claims

Roberto Alomar said Wednesday that he is in good health, a response to allegations made in a civil suit against him in which a former girlfriend claims he insisted on unprotected sex for four years despite having AIDS.

"This is a very private, personal matter and I greatly appreciate all the support I have received in the past few days from my family, friends and colleagues in baseball," the former All-Star second baseman said in a statement. "I am in very good health and I ask that you respect my privacy during this time."

Ilya Dall, a former girlfriend of Roberto Alomar, filed a civil suit Jan. 30 alleging that Alomar demanded unprotected sex with her despite showing obvious signs of AIDS, and that the 41-year-old Alomar later tested positive for the disease. Dall has not tested positive for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. She is seeking at least $15 million in damages.

"As for the lawsuit, it is filled with lies and I am deeply saddened that someone I cared for would make such terrible accusations and try to hurt me in this way," Alomar said in his statement.

Earlier Wednesday, his father told ESPN that Roberto is not ill.

"The only thing that I can tell you is that this is news to us," Sandy Alomar Sr. said. "When a person is sick like that, wouldn't he have to be in the hospital? I haven't seen my son sick like that. I am confident that he is fine.

"We are a family. We are very close, a family that is united. I am sure my son is fine. Other than that, we are going to let the lawyers handle it."

Alomar Sr. said he saw his son on Monday when Roberto ended a visit with the family.

"He was well. He wasn't sick," Alomar Sr. told ESPN.

Alomar was honored before the Toronto Blue Jays home opener in April and showed no obvious signs of health problems.

Alomar lawyer Charles Bach told the New York Daily News the allegations are "frivolous and baseless."

Alomar spent 17 years in the major leagues and was one of baseball's best players in the 1990s, making 12 straight All-Star appearances and winning two World Series with the Blue Jays.

A career .300 hitter with 10 Gold Gloves, Alomar broke in with the San Diego Padres in 1988 and also played for the Baltimore Orioles, Cleveland Indians, New York Mets, Arizona Diamondbacks and Chicago White Sox. He last played in the majors in 2004.

One of the most memorable moments of Alomar's career came in 1996, when he became enraged after a third strike and spit on umpire John Hirschbeck. He drew a five-game suspension that was later overturned.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
SCTrojan
Well hopefully that is the truth...Nobody should wish ANY illness/crime on/against anyone or hope that the "rumors" are true...

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out!
phillyrunner
My point is that if I was completely straight and not on the DL the trauma would make me want to tell someone, but then maybe that is just me. Being on the DL creates a different mindset in telling someone, I will agree. But my assumption is to take the crime at face value with no DL implication or consensual agreement gone bad.

The one thing that gets to me is when ever some incident occurs people get stereotyped by painting them with certain chararacteristics as the reason they act the way they do. Just because I am gay, people shouldn't assume that I am effeminate, and knows all about fashion and decorating. In the same vain being Latino doesn't mean I should assume the machismo thing.
mdterp01
I was simply stating that could be one of the reasons (i.e. machismo being Latino).
canmark
There are plenty of questions about this case. Even if he was raped, that doesn't mean he got (or didn't) get HIV from that (presumably) single exposure. If it was true, then it would be quite shocking that HIV+ men were going around raping a 17-year old.

An article in the Toronto Star indicates he's looked healthy in recent years, and his own father has said he knows nothing about the dire health and full-blown AIDS-type symptoms she has reported.
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Dall's allegations have caused a stir around the baseball world, but especially in Toronto, where Alomar is fondly remembered and honoured, and in his native Puerto Rico, where he has iconic status. In recent photos of Alomar taken in Puerto Rico, he appears happy and healthy and the Jays confirmed yesterday they were considering inviting him to training camp in Florida to act as guest coach for young infielders.
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In papers filed in state and federal court in New York, Dall said Alomar, 41, was told repeatedly by doctors to get tested for HIV and finally did so in January 2006. The negligence suit alleges: "The test results of him being HIV-positive was given to him and the plaintiff on or about Feb.6, 2006."

A few days later, the suit says, a specialist discovered the former star of the Jays' pair of World Series victories had a mass in his chest.

The suit says that on Feb.21, 2006, Dall observed the following symptoms: "Purple skin, too sick and weak to walk, needed to be in a wheelchair at the airport, was foaming at the mouth, couldn't swallow, and a spinal tap proved (Alomar) was indeed suffering with full-blown AIDS."
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Alomar's father, Sandy, who is bench coach for the New York Mets told ESPN from his winter home in Puerto Rico: "When a person is sick like that, wouldn't he have to be in the hospital? I haven't seen my son sick like that. I am confident that he is fine. We are a family. We are very close, a family that is united. I am sure my son is fine. Other than that, we are going to let the lawyers handle it."

Alomar was in Toronto last April to be honoured by the Blue Jays, who made him a member of their exclusive Level of Excellence at the Rogers Centre. He showed no visible signs of illness and told reporters if he were to be elected to the hall of fame – a strong possibility after he becomes eligible starting in 2010 – he would enter in the uniform of the Jays, which would make him the first.

Paul Beeston, interim Jays president, told the Star yesterday he commented to Alomar at the ceremony last April that "he was in such good shape he could still be playing. It was what you would expect of Robbie, because Robbie was never out of shape."

Joe in Philly
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ Feb 11 2009, 09:48 PM) *

I totally agree w/ you regarding REAL rape victims. My point was is that he may have engaged in a consensual 3-way, became infected, & now claims he was raped.


Unless someone actually is a witness, how is anyone supposed to tell who is a REAL rape victim?
SCTrojan
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Feb 12 2009, 07:16 AM) *

Unless someone actually is a witness, how is anyone supposed to tell who is a REAL rape victim?


And how can anyone know for sure if quantum physics is real? blink.gif

But to answer your question, let's see: dna from sperm/pre-ejaculation, blood, skin under the nails. That's a start w/out any witnesses.
Tennis Guy
If Alomar is sick, I hope he takes care of himself, and acts responsibly going forward. This kind of lawsuit and all its publicity is going to make his life pretty miserable.

I've read different stories claiming different things. Some said she "continued to be intimate" even after he tested positive, but didn't mention whether or not it was protected sex. Another article I read said she claimed to only have protected sex after finding out.

But if all of her claims are true, why did she stay with him until October of last year? Protected sex or not, why would you stay with someone for so long after knowing that they put you at such risk knowing he was sick himself? I'd think you'd be so angry you'd leave right when finding out, and take that legal action a lot earlier than three years after the fact.

Sounds very much like she wants money.

Joe in Philly
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ Feb 12 2009, 10:32 AM) *

And how can anyone know for sure if quantum physics is real? blink.gif

But to answer your question, lets see: dna from sperm/pre-ejaculation, blood, skin under the nails. That's a start w/out any witnesses.


All of which can occur from rough but consensual sex as well as a rape. So, again, comments like "you can't rape the willing" or "she was asking for it wearing that dress" makes assumptions that shouldn't be made.
JC
Absolutely agree with you Joe. I know two men who have been raped and neither one of them reported it. And what if you agreed to have sex, but not unprotected anal sex? You've been raped, but you'd have a fun day in court, even if you were willing to reveal that you were gay.

Anyway, I hope the story is a complete fabrication, including the rape.
Buck
QUOTE(phillyrunner @ Feb 12 2009, 02:00 AM) *

I guess this story is strange enough to take A-Rod out the the media spotlight. If he got raped in New Mexico as a 17 year old why would he not have told anyone, not even his dad Sandy . Either she is making that story up or if it is true then I agree with the comment about "you can't rape the willing"


It's very common for rape victims not to report the crime because they are ashamed and feel degraded. That's even more so the case for male rape victims.
BigBlueCowboy
QUOTE(Buck @ Feb 12 2009, 02:01 PM) *

It's very common for rape victims not to report the crime because they are ashamed and feel degraded. That's even more so the case for male rape victims.


I'd also add the sense that victims often believe that they were somehow responsible for what happened. For young men, there might be the misguided notion that they could have prevented it, i.e. "Why didn't I fight back?" It may go to the heart of how man are perceived in society. We have to be strong. We have to be active rather than passive. We cannot be seen as vulnerable.

There's a case here in NJ, where a baseball coach had some of his players send photos of themselves masturbating to him via their cell phones. One of those players was so overcome with dread at the prospect of having to be questioned about it and testifying in public that he committed suicide.

I can see how an adolescent or young man would not say anything about being raped.

jerseyguy
QUOTE(BigBlueCowboy @ Feb 12 2009, 08:11 PM) *

There's a case here in NJ, where a baseball coach had some of his players send photos of themselves masturbating to him via their cell phones. One of those players was so overcome with dread at the prospect of having to be questioned about it and testifying in public that he committed suicide.



I know the case you're referring to, Cowboy. It's very sad. I believe there were reports of other suicides in the town that may linked to the antics of this baseball coach. Apparently, he had been doing this for some time until one of the players said something.
fantomas
QUOTE(canmark @ Feb 12 2009, 11:52 AM) *

There are plenty of questions about this case. Even if he was raped, that doesn't mean he got (or didn't) get HIV from that (presumably) single exposure. If it was true, then it would be quite shocking that HIV+ men were going around raping a 17-year old.

An article in the Toronto Star indicates he's looked healthy in recent years, and his own father has said he knows nothing about the dire health and full-blown AIDS-type symptoms she has reported.


People with HIV and AIDS can and often do look quite healthy, especially if they're taking care of themselves and following their treatment regimens. This idea that you can "tell" people have AIDS by looking at them, or that they dno't look "healthy," should have been dispelled a long time ago, but I guess it endures.

Would you be surprised if it turned out that Sandy Alomar Sr. either didn't know the truth or was in denial? I just hope that Roberto Alomar is taking care of himself and getting whatever care he needs. And if he does have HIV/AIDS, why not speak out to help educate others? There is nothing wrong with or shameful about being a PWA.
.DJ.
It isn't rape if you yell out "Surprise!". laugh.gif

I would like to know how her children were exposed to the virus. That's just bizarre.
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