"FYI...the health bill passed. Move on."
Oh, that's rich. Leftists in this country still go on and on about how John Kerry was defamed by the Swiftboaters (never proven, just ask T. Boone Pickens' bank account), which happened over FIVE years ago. Better yet, you STILL hear leftists screech about how George W. Bush stole the 2000 election, which happened over NINE years ago. Yeah, you leftists really set the bar when it comes to moving on.

"And of course let's have all the white people determine how black people should feel, act, respond in that situation. Because certainly you know what that's like."
No one is telling Representatives Clyburn, Lewis, and Cleaver how to feel, act, or respond. But please note that all three of them, completely on their own, have dropped their accusations that Tea Partyers spat on them and screamed the N-word (fifteen times, according to Rep. Lewis, although you don't hear it once on that video that sportinlife linked) faster than the Obama administration sh*tcanned Van "I Heart Communism" Jones.

"One thing we DO know is that Republicans are the biggest liars there are and that they don't give a shit about the average person. You can take that to the bank."
More beautiful postpartisanship from the left, taking after their ne plus ultra role model, President Obama.

We're the liars? Oh, in case all the hate-crime hoaxes I listed above weren't enough for you, here are some more, courtesy of Michelle Malkin:

• In November 2009, Kentucky census worker Bill Sparkman was found dead in a secluded rural cemetery with the word “Fed” scrawled on his chest and a rope around his neck. The Atlantic Monthly, the Huffington Post, and liberal media hosts stampeded over themselves to blame Fox News, conservative blogs, Republicans, and right-wing radio. Federal, state, and local authorities discovered that Sparkman had killed himself and deliberately concocted a hate-crime hoax as part of an insurance scam to benefit his surviving son.
• In mid-October 2008, news outlets from the Scranton Times-Tribune to ABC News to the Associated Press and MSNBC reported that someone at a Sarah Palin rally shouted “kill him” when Obama’s name was mentioned. In fact, the Secret Service (which was at the event in full force) couldn’t find a single person to corroborate the story — other than the local reporter for the Scranton Times-Tribune who made an international incident out of the claim. Agent Bill Slavoski “said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers, and not one heard the comment,” the paper reported in a red-faced follow-up. Maybe the shouter is hiding with Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman’s real killer.
• In late October 2008, a gaggle of liberal blogs spread the rumor that a Republican supporter of vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s had shouted that Obama was “a nigger” during a campaign rally in Iowa. Video and firsthand accounts showed that the protester did not shout “he’s a nigger,” but “he’s a redistributor.” A lefty activist at the “progressive” Daily Kos blog confirmed the truth — but to this day, the crisis-manufacturing smear stands uncorrected and unretracted across the Internet.
  In September 2009, supporters of Colorado Democratic congressman John Salazar falsely accused a town-hall protester of hurling a death threat at the congressman. Liberal blogs again disseminated the angry-tea-party-mob narrative. A week later, the local press quietly reported that Grand Junction police had investigated the incident — and determined the claim was “unfounded.” A police spokeswoman revealed that “people who witnessed the interaction between the man who made the complaint and the suspect confirmed they never heard any direct threats made regarding Congressman Salazar.” Witnesses included a Grand Junction cop “in close proximity when the interaction took place.”
• In late August 2009, as lawmakers faced citizen revolts at health-care town halls nationwide, the Colorado Democratic party decried a vandalism attack at its Denver headquarters. A hammer-wielding thug smashed eleven windows and caused $11,000 in property damage. The perpetrator, Maurice Schwenkler, turned out to be a far-left nutball/transgender activist/single-payer anarchist who had worked for an SEIU-tied 527 group and canvassed for a Democratic candidate. Nevertheless, Colorado Democratic party chair Pat Waak continued to blame “people opposed to health care” for the attack.

Every time you call me a liar, SeaCraig, I'll post more hoaxes, smears, and defamations you "honest" leftists are guilty of. So bring it on. I totally dig this.

After George W. Bush initiated the Iraq War, leftists protested and fought and threatened to cut off funding, and through it all, dissent was the highest form of patriotism. When the left dissents, it's patriotism. But when the right dissents, it's racism. One standard for liberal; one standard for conservatives.

I wasn't really politically involved or active for about five years, starting shortly after GWB's 2nd term. I was "too busy." I will never be "too busy" again. It will take a Republican majority in the House (a cinch, likely after November 2010), 60 GOP Senators (tough, very tough, but possible after November 2012), and a Republican president in 2013 (as surely as the sun rises in the East). I, millions of other Tea Partyers, as well as millions of other Americans (the majority, according to every poll about repealing ObamaCare) are dedicated to making this happen. Calling us names and smearing us with lies will not deter us. Sure, it makes you liberals feel good, but in the long run, you're just shooting yourself in the foot (don't let me stop you).

I do find it interesting that 42% of Tea Party folks are Democrats and Independents.

One way people use white privilege is to try and set how the conversation takes place or what "proof" consists of. I don't need anyone to set the standard of proof for me. I can use my own eyes to see a "rabid" person yelling at a Congressman and then see that he wipes away something from his face. That's enough for me to know that some spit was exchanged somehow. I don't have to prove it beyond, and to the exclusion of, all reasonable doubt. I can believe my own eyes.

It's apparent that race is an issue in all of this because of the level of scrutiny demanded by the right when racist and homophobic incidents are brought up. If the right wasn't really racist they'd be all over the media saying stop this racist, homophobic bullshit...but they don't. Instead they continue to press legislation and referendums that codifies racism and homophobia. It doesn't require my opinion to prove anything, it just requires a rational look at behavior.

It would probably be more productive if you took this heightened requirement of proof and applied them to the principles/people you support. You might see that they're really not all they're cracked up to be. And don't work in the way the propaganda says they will.

While on the general topic of lies here are a few to ponder:

Republican lie: Iraq was connected to the 9/11 attacks.
Republican lie: Just let business do its thing and everyone will benefit
Republican lie: Everyone having guns will make us safer
Republican lie: Tax cuts solve all ills
Republican lie: I won't come in your mouth....oh wait, that's not an official one, just sounds like it.

All that's resulted from Republican lies is the errant spending of trillions of dollars, the largest transfer of wealth to the rich in a century and the near total collapse of the US financial system.

A great example is the mine disaster today in West Virginia. At least 25 dead in a mine that was recently cited for multiple violations in a mine owned by a company that is widely regarded as the worst offender in violating mine safety standards. We could stop this with stronger penalties, but we don't because the right says regulating business is bad. I realize this isn't just a right/left issue. There are Democrats (Rockefeller, Byrd and others) who fight against stronger safety regulations too. They need to be called out too.

I look at Republican/Conservative/Tea Party bitching along the lines of people who disparage attorneys....they talk a lot of shit about them, but when they need one they want the one that embodies all the evils they want the dirtiest son of a bitch out there.

I will point out again that when they ask people how happy they are the people who live in countries where there is a broad social safety net respond that they're happier. I'm not looking out in the broad society of the US and seeing a nation of really happy people. Maybe, just maybe, the philosophy that brought us to a certain point isn't the philosophy for today. We are not progressing as a country, we're regressing....there's not one standard of living where we rank on top.

One thing that made us great and strong was that we tried something new. We may need to do that now or end up like so many other countries with a small number of wealthy people that control the country....we're not that far away from that right now.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread "If the Republicans achieve a House majority I expect terror."

That is not based on fear or spite, but on historical trends around the world as I see them.

Political victories within a democracy are generally based on a contented majority remaining insensitive to the rights of a discontented minority, or a contented minority finding a way to cobble a majority from factions within a discontented majority.

Lacking the carrot of a credible alternative to the policies of the Obama administration, the only way I see available for the Republicans to form a majority is through fear and intimidation. If the power of such persuasion fails then I have little doubt now that violence may be used. The basis for that is currently forming. Add the specter of international state-sponsored USA terrorism - a likely event during a non-recalcitrant Republican administration - the response could well be another terrorist attack on USA soil from without. And this time the attack would be on a USA that is politically destabalized by internal violent revolts.

Here on the All Victimhood! All The Time! Network, a.k.a. the Outsports message board, there is a prevailing notion that we Tea Partyers are a mob of rifle-toting, n-word-spewing, trailer park trash who hate Barack Obama only because his skin tone is darker than George Hamilton's. Principles, values, and political beliefs are completely irrelevant -- we're just a bunch of gap-toothed Cro Magnons with NRA memberships.

I'm guessing you ever so enlightened, ever so evolved liberals don't read Peggy Noonan, Ann Coulter, or Rush Limbaugh much, if at all. But if you followed them and other conservative pundits even a little, you would know that while they were very supportive of George W Bush on the War On Terror, they were fiercely critical of his domestic policies. As far back as 2002, Rush was excoriating GWB for a perceived flip-flow on global warming (yet another leftist hoax), and by 2004~2005 was arguing that GWB was not a true conservative. Peggy Noonan and Ann Coulter wrote a number of criticisms of GWB that were so fierce they made my eyes pop. The problems they had with GWB (mostly his out-of-control spending, unfunded expansion of the Federal Government, and their consequent budget deficits) were shared by millions of conservatives, and they were the true catalyst for the birth of the Tea Party.

There were no organized protests against George W Bush because, frankly, conservatives don't really do the whole protest thing (the Pro-Life March on Washington is the exception to prove the rule). But conservatives were pretty unhappy and expressed their discontent by the lack of enthusiasm for John McCain's presidential campaign. There were no volunteers manning McCain campaign offices, making phone calls, or knocking on doors. And quite a few were so disgusted by GWB and the Tom Delay (All Corruption! All The Time!) GOP that they voted for Barack Obama, whose politics and policies are antithetical to their own. In 2008, 36% of evangelical Christians, passionately pro-life, voted for Obama, the most zealously pro-abortion president in US history. Also, please note that Tom Delay, the "mastermind" behind the greasy favors/shameless croneyism Path to GOP Dominance scheme, once the second most powerful figure in the GOP, is persona non grata in the Republican Party.

Did it ever occur to you liberals that maybe, just maybe, the opposition to Barack Obama has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with the fact that he's expanding the Federal Government and hiking spending at a a rate exponentially faster than even GWB? Back in the Commonwealth, one of my liberal friends went into a tear about born-again Christians, how they were nothing but evil hypocrites who are dead-set on destroying lives and freedom and whatnot. I had to ask him, "Mike, do you know any born-again Christians?" He sheepishly admitted that no, he didn't. I corrected him, pointing out that a friend of mine, someone Mike had hung out with a fair amount and really liked, was a born-again Christian. So I'm asking the same of you liberals here on the Victimhood Network Outsports message board, how many Tea Partyers do you know personally? How many have you talked to? If you ever bothered to get to know us (you don't have to go far to find us), maybe, just maybe, your hate-filled stereotypes of us would start to break down.

I'll make it easier for you. David Letterman recently invited a Tea Partyer to appear on his show, and (take my word for it) this woman is absolutely representative of the Tea Party:
Pam Stout
Tea Party Patriot
Not exactly what you'd call "scary"

So you can watch the interview of this sweet little old lady and get an honest glimpse into the heart and soul of the Tea Party, or you can continue your ignorant rants and mendacious accusations of racism/sexism/bigotry. That President Obama, the leftist God In Human Form, has chosen the latter is a telling indication of just how small a human being he is. Oh wait, I just criticized Barack Obama -- bet you're all champing at the bit to call me a racist.

Hmmmm.....that didn't format in the way I thought it would......sorry about that.

Obama has mostly done or at least initially tried to do what he campaigned on. Expanding the federal government to cover health care costs for more Americans is justified and reasonable and not more government for governments sake. The care we are capable of giving far exceeds our abiltiy to pay for it. We were all a pink slip away from going broke due to lack of affordable care and many millions of Americans were on a path where they were playing Russian roulette with their health and their finances. Chances are McCain and a Republican Congress, had they been elected, would have followed a similar path with the bail outs, but it''s true that to their discredit, they would not have tried to fix health care. I'm always happy to hear conservatives talking about the warming hoax as the obviousness of rising water levels and their changes (for the worse) in our weather/storms will help to discredit them on other issues.

Yes.

It has also occurred to this liberal (though I prefer pragmatist) that the cost of government will decrease only when it is run more efficiently, not when it is hacked randomly or discarded entirely.

The likelihood of increasing that efficiency increases with the number of people who have a stake in it: the more the better. It has occurred for national defense and can be better done during relative peace.

If either of us ends up at an emergency room with a serious ailment or injury we will be treated in any civilized country in the world.

If that illness is a contagion that is easily spread we may be compelled to be treated or confined. Herd immunity is a reality that we can not deny. Widespread treatable illness is a burden to all of society.

We can refuse to be involved in the financial maintenance of that capability by not carrying insurance, but only at the risk of burdening and endangering everyone else. Such individuals are freeloaders - not patriots.

If we don't reform health care now because of the great debts our country is incurring then when will we do it? I realize that people are afraid that our country's debt is spiraling out of control and that we can't afford it but I don't think our debt is spiraling out of control because of health care. I think there are other reasons like the war we've been fighting for 10 years and the banks messing up. We are fixing the banks and hopefully this war will not go on indefinitely. We need to put more money into our health care system and our schools. If we can ensure an educated and healthy America, then we can ensure a brighter future. But if we ignore our health and our education, we will continue to decline as we hire or outsource work we used to be able to do to other countries with better educated workers. And if we ignore our health, we will continue to see child-obesity rates rise along with other health care problems.


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Vega Sinclair, Medical Insurance Advisor

First, in response to WChip: when it comes to drinking the kool-aid, your source must be a firehose. The "consensus" that man is causing global warming is dubious at best. I don't know where you've been, but the CRU emails revealed that there's been no warming since 1998. And even if there were, the causal relationship between man, in the form of carbon emissions, and climate change is shaky, to say the least. And then you say that health care reform is the greatest crisis of our time. You're certainly entitled to your opinion (derived directly, whole, and intact from Liberal Groupthink Headquarters), but the American public disagrees with you. While poll after poll indicates that Americans are most concerned with the economy, unemployment, and deficits, the Obama White House and Pelosi/Reid Congress have focused on health care reform and Cap & Trade.

Now on to SeaCraig: too much to cover to go over point by point (to borrow from Dieter - "you have grown tiresome"), but I will say this ... there are few things in the public eye more contemptible than being a racist. The only things worse are being a rapist, a pedophile, or a Kate Gosselin fan. The left uses the stigma of racism as a weapon to damage those with whom they disagree. Liberals don't really care all that much about racism and the plight of blacks in America; they care only about shutting down those who oppose them. Yet another example from the (literally) infinite list of race hoaxes: accusations that Rush Limbaugh was a racist surfaced about the same time as he was trying to acquire a stake in an NFL team. The left's "smoking gun" that Rush is a racist? the "evidence" cited by all three network news organizations and liberal newspapers all over the country? a book written by a far-leftist that makes the accusation with zero substantiation or evidence, even though everything Rush has said for the past 20 years is on videotape, audiotape, or the Internet (spare me the higher burden of proof bullshit). Not coincidentally, DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the NFL Players Association, who fiercely opposed Rush's ownership stake ("Pro football is at its best when it rejects discrimination and hatred"), also worked on President Obama's transition team. You liberals are being penny-wise and pound-foolish with all your mendacious accusations of racism. Oh sure, you might win the occasional battle (Rush was denied an ownership stake), but you're losing the war because people are catching on to all your cries of wolf.

Now back to the subject of health care reform. Do we need it? absolutely! But do we need the government to do it? NO!! RomneyCare in Massachusetts (which is very similar to ObamaCare) was supposed to cost the Commonwealth $88 million. Its true cost today is about $900 million and RISING. Worse yet, it didn't fix a couple of the key problems: high health insurance premiums and flooded emergency rooms. MA insurance premiums are still the highest in the country, and emergency rooms intakes have actually increased.

Liberals love to trash George W Bush. Google "failed policies of the Bush administration" and you'll get about 25 quadrillion hits. One of the failed policies of the Bush administration was the prescription drug benefit. It was supposed to cost $400 billion. Just 4 years after it was enacted, Medicare Part D's true cost is closer to $1 TRILLION. So why is it that when GWB does something, it's a failed policy that contributed to the disastrous state of our country today; yet when Obama does something similar (well, actually, 5 times more expensive), it's an absolutely necessary program that will benefit the country??

One final point, in response to the accusation that the Tea Party activists are just a bunch of white people who are scared because we're losing our grip on power, I think it's actually the other way around. Liberals in America finally achieved political Shangri-La, that is, a liberal Democrat as President, a majority in the House with an uberleftist Speaker, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. With such tremendous and unstoppable political power, leftists can finally get everything they want. But then it turned out to be so much more difficult than it was supposed to be. Cap & Trade died in the Senate. ObamaCare was supposed to be done before the August 2009 recess yet wasn't passed until the end of March 2010. In the meantime, Dems lost the governor's race in Virginia (went for Obama ~53% to 46%) and New Jersey (deeper blue, 57% to 42%), and even lost the Ted Kennedy's Senate seat in Massachusetts (midnight blue, voting for Obama 62% to 36%!). A Rasmussen poll indicates that 58% of Americans are now favor the repeal of ObamaCare. A Fox News/Gallup poll reveals that while 44% of Americans agree with Obama's policies, 48% agree with the Tea Party. And the greatest indignity of all, mainstream media outlets like David Letterman and CNN are giving favorable (and accurate) coverage of the Tea Party movement. Liberals see their once-in-a-lifetime political Shangri-La vanishing, and it's making them panic. After all, there is still so much to be done on the liberal agenda: card check, gay marriage, amnesty for illegals, Cap & Trade, etc. But instead of arguing the pros and cons of these policies, you just call anyone who disagrees with you a racist.

It's always amusing when white people want to define what's racist. BSR no matter how much you want to you don't get to define the terms for me. You and your ilk treat this President in ways you would never treat a white president, and just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Instead of just another blanket accusation of racism, SeaCraig, why don't you get into the specifics? Let's limit this discussion to just me and what I've said/done because I don't want to deal with your ugly stereotypes of conservatives/Republicans/Tea Partyers. What exactly have I said or how have I treated President Obama differently just because he's black?

One of the specifics you did mention was my crack about Obama as the Left's God In Human Form, which you said was an attempt to treat Obama as The Other. Goodness, it's been more than a couple of decades since my college days, but it's interesting that the same old, same old leftist arguments (in this case, the Concept of The Other, which I first heard about 25 years ago from a professor who claimed to be a moderate and a centrist but turned out to be a communist) never change. First of all, my crack was making fun of Evan Thomas and so many others on the left who exalted Obama with a cultlike devotion. You then argue that Obama is somewhat right-of-center ... WTF?!? The President responsible for the Federal government's takeover of the car companies, the banks, and now 1/7 of the private sector (health care) is slightly right-of-center? And because I call him a leftist, that makes me racist?!? Wow, you're going to have to explain that a helluva lot better, because what you said makes absolutely no sense. Just because you and I have different views on the definitions of "liberal" and "conservative," it doesn't mean that labeling Obama a leftist (by my definition) is a racist act.

In fact, let's make this a "teachable moment." I am a proud participant in the Tea Party movement. I even went to Nashville for the National Tea Party Convention. As I said before, I don't want to deal with any of the left's ignorance, misinformation, or stereotypes about the Tea Party, but I invite anyone on this board to explain what I have said about Barack Obama (or any other topic) that makes me a racist. Please provide lots of detail because, apparently, I'm a slow, dim troglodyte.

I'm curious to know, BSR, are you "out" when having your little parties? I just wonder how far you'd make it in the parking lot if they knew you were gay. It must really burn you up to see President Obama accomplishing so much, in spite of Rethuglicans who try to block his progress. The bail-out loans worked, and cost much less than anticipated, he got a major international agreement regarding nuclear weapons, and health care reform passes. All in the last month. Funny, I don't remember ANY Republican who came even close to accomplishing all that in such a short amount of time. Obama has been in office a little more than a year...darn remarkable what he has done, in spite of the best efforts of some to derail him. Go ahead, start another rumor about his birth certificate. That seems to work so well!

Just because a concept has been around for 25 years doesn't mean it doesn't still matter....oh wait, you're part of a "movement" that worships Sarah Palin, someone who hasn't had an original thought that's ever been reported....don't cha know (thank you Tina Fey).

I've never called you a racist. I don't know you. I have pointed out things you've said that are racist-ish. The thing about liberals, unlike the right, is we believe words matter. So when you and your "movement" says the President is a socialist we know that you're just spouting off with a buzz word to get an emotional reaction rather than actually making an intellectual point given he is nowhere near a socialist. In the news today that Americans are paying less in taxes now than they have in 55 years. A good part of that is the Obama tax cut. He can't be both a tax cutter and the big bad taker-over...but right, you TP'ers don't care about the facts. As long as your puppet masters are saying it, it's true, facts be damned.

It's unfortunate that you think we've taken over the banks.....far from it. We also did not take over the car companies...we loaned them money with some conditions....conditions that do not apply once the money is paid back. A way different scenario than state-owned banks and companies. Contrary to all the whining the health care bill was really a health insurance regulation bill. I wasn't for that bill either. I don't understand why we don't want the kind of health care that is widely considered the best....the system they have in France. Why do we want to settle for 2nd, 3rd, 45th best? So there was no takeover of that industry either...just a tiny bit more regulation.

The reason why the concept of the Other is applicable is that in order to treat him the way you TP'ers do he can't be like you. And what is the biggest difference? Hmmmmm, is it that he's educated or professional or a family man or a caring person....NO it's that his skin color is different. And btw BSR, there is a study out today that suggests that the racial changes in the country is a big motivating factor for involvement in the TP movement. I'm just saying. I'm not the only one with this perception. Perhaps your comments would seem more credible if they were based on reality and facts.

Re: the definitions of liberal and conservative. If you read any of the articles about Justice Stevens, a REPUBLICAN, you will see how he has stayed true to his REPUBLICAN beliefs from the 70's when he was appointed. It just that other people calling themselves Republican got more conservative. This really happened when Reagan sold his soul to the religious right. It moved the right further right and in order to not look "fringe" they did all they could to draw the middle further right. Nixon was for national health care, Nixon was for the EPA, Nixon was for minimum wage....he couldn't get elected as a Republican today based on his positions.

The main reason I believe the TP movement is really a racist reaction to a President of color is the lack of repudiation of the people show up to the events with racist posters and signs. If you don't repudiate it then you're endorsing it. And it doesn't matter if other people did similar things in the past. That's just an attempt to take the focus off of current bad behavior.

Actually the most "socialist" thing Obama has done was to continue and enhance the TARP program initiated by GWBush and his treasury secretary Henry Paulson.

And that was a huge wealth transfer from the poor to the rich that I think most self-respecting socialists would gag on.

I wonder what the health care plans are like at the companies that received the bailouts, not that they should need insurance if average salaries are in the middle to upper 6 figures.

Perhaps that explains why so many of them are active in the Tea Party. They can either risk getting huge health care bills and don't want that salary reduced to pay for group care or they get cadillac group care and don't want to lose any of their tax deduction.

Rush Limbaugh thinks the volcano in Iceland has something to do with Obama's health care bill.

Sounds like Rush is back on the pills.

thank you, SeaCraig, for an honest response. Since you're very liberal and I'm very conservative, we aren't going to agree on much of anything, but an honest debate is always a good thing.

I have to differ with you (oh, shock) about the "lack of repudiation of the people show up to the events with racist posters and signs." You might have heard about the pathetic attempts to infiltrate Tea Party events. Here are pix of Tea Partyers calling out another pathetic infiltrator. Since it's a public rally, Tea Partyers can't force the Propagandist Liar with his vile sign to leave, but contrary to your charge, they did denounce him. If you have any evidence of genuine Tea Partyers with racist signs, t-shirts, or chants, please post them.

millerbeach, I'm very much out, but more in a matter-of-fact way, not an in-your-face kinda guy when it comes to being gay. The few Tea Party events I've attended, I'm just a person in the crowd. You don't even introduce yourself or talk to other people. At the National Convention, I did mention a couple of times, in passing, that I was gay. No reaction really, like it didn't matter. I got far more of a reaction when I mentioned I was from Las Vegas; that sparked lots of talk. The Convention opened with a prayer from a black minister, who in the course of his invocation did go into an anti-gay slam of the moral wrong of homosexuality. I was never able to get a moment with the event organizer, but I did email him afterward saying that such rhetoric doesn't belong at a Tea Party event. We're all about lowering taxes and shrinking government, not social issues. He agreed and apologized. There will be another national convention here in Las Vegas in June. I'll bet anti-gay rhetoric will be conspicuously absent.

Guys, I'd write more, but I have tendinitis in my wrist. Go ahead and ask questions or make arguments about the Tea Party and/or ObamaCare, and I will respond, but probably not for a while.