I'll have to remember that "developing peace" [sic] includes killing civilians in Afghanistan.

Keep remembering that Bill! Don't forget the thousands killed and tens of thousands injured in Iraq. By the way, who got us into those wars? Do you remember that, too, Bill? Why it was none other than the worst president this nation has ever witnessed, George W. Bush! Do you get it now, Bill? Obama won the award as a REPUDIATION of George W. Bush. That means, the world and the NPP committee sooooo hated the former president, they awarded the most prestigious honor upon our current president, Barack Obama. Obama, just by being elected, has done more for peace than GWB could ever dream doing. Then again, the wallets at Halliburton weren't going to fatten themselves! Yup, you gotta spell it out for some folks.

Doing some background search on Frederick Douglass, the greatest African American to set foot in the White House IMO (Sorry Barack, you're number two on this list), I came upon this reference to one of his most famous speeches, and impromptu eulogy to Abraham Lincoln:I think Obama could take heart from it. Not only were virtually all of Frederick Douglass' achievements limited to words, he was also a "mix-breed" more so than most likely having Indian blood mixed with the "half" that was African-descent. Another interesting characteristic of Douglass' biography is how he got the name. It came from a Scottish "Poem" story The Lady of the Lake and was given to him by a protector and abolitionist Nathan Johnson. All of which has nothing to do with a Nobel Peace Prize but I just thought it would be interesting. Obama and Douglass share a commitment to facts over fantasy. And Douglass' honesty paidoff.

Have to give President Obama props for his speech yesterday. He did well enough that he wasn't a complete tool for them. Hope he made them squirm as he spoke of (reminded them of) the need to stand up to tyranny and terrorism. And, in the irony that he received the peace prize the week he announced the troop surge in Afghanistan.

When this was announced I thought he should have declined. But I did forget that he'd be able to do what he does best: to make a speech.

I still think he should have declined it. They put him in a bad position, but he didn't have to play that game. Hopefully his decision to dance with the leftist, appeasing Europeans will prompt them to recognize the struggle lines include no further lines. no further retreat. no further appeasement. no further rationalizing. Instead of him joining them, this would prompt them to remember that peace comes from ideals...and also strength.

So you can win Nobel Peace Prizes now for NOT being someone.

I'm not Stalin. Give me my million bucks.

It usually takes History lots of time to properly classify a president as the "worst this nation has ever witnessed," but if we disregard that, then it's pretty sad that GW has been eclipsed by Obama, who is a frickin' joke if there ever was one. He's only good in his speeches (delivery, that is), but that's only when he has a teleprompter upon which to rely; otherwise he's a bumbling idiot like his predecessor. He's truly in over his head and clearly looks like a kid doing a man's job.

Now I know that the election last year truly was the lesser of two evils. Both guys were jokes, and the current president is making Bush look at least relatively good, something I never thought I'd see or say because I can't stand the Bushes (in all fairness, I don't like any political families).

Other than that, Bill's right; George Will's right. I'd go one step farther: pull our troops out of Germany, Japan, and most other countries. Seriously, why the hell do we still have tens of thousands of troops in such countries? Get them all out.

Glenn Greenwald dissects the heralded prize winner's latest illegal war:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_gr..._war/index.html

Bill, I can't help but notice you quote Glenn Greenwald quite a bit, in several threads, with the same verb following his name..."dissects". Does Mr. Greenwald do anything else besides dissecting things? Constantly cutting things up seems rather negative. Are you Glenn Greenwald?

Obama has a way to go to catch up with the nearly indiscriminant carpet bombing of Cambodia during Kissinger's Operation Menu. And drones do not do the damage of a B-52, though unmanned bombers in the USA arsenal are probably capable of much worse.

No USA president would leave the USA vulnerable to terrorist attacks, not even a president Kucinich.

He dissects things while you swallow em, bleached one.

I wouldn't put it past Obama to approach Kissinger's status in a second term. What a sick joke.

I am not sure what the term "bleached one" refers to, but I will assume it is not racially-tinged Bill W, since I think I know you better from the previous posts you've made on this thread and website.

However I would appreciate a bit more explanation.

If you intended to suggest that I have lost my sense of objectivity due to my respect for Barack Obama then I can only reply that I disagree.

On the contrary, I find myself doing the same thing with him as I would with any previous president: put myself in his shoes and wonder what I would do.

Given the situation he has to work with, I can find little that I would have done differently. Those that I would have done differently might well have gotten me impeached.

For instance, I would have moved to temporarily nationalize our financial systems when they threatened our national security and the stability of the world's economy, as they still do.

Gee, and here I thought it was indeed, a racially-tinged comment. Care to explain, Bill? Oh, and before you shoot off your mouth again and say something even more ignorant, I am not what you think I am, Bill. That alone should scare the living shit out of you.

Racially tinged, how? Let me explain my little jest:

millerbeach = millerbleach = bleached hair = bleached brain


I guess I might have the living shit scared out of me if I had the slightest clue of what the motherf**k you are talking about.

Wow, Bill, you are more clueless than I ever imagined. A person with blond hair could have it "bleached", thus, lightening the hair color. I have brown hair, which can lighten during periods of exposure to the sun. I do not bleach my hair, nor have I ever bleached my hair, skin, or any other aspect of my person. You might want to bone-up on the insults, Bill. You really are slipping.

I'll ignore the convoluted reasoning of some on this thread to get back to the subject of Obama's win.

The killing of Osama bin Laden, while touted as the kick-off for an Obama re-election by many in the media and pundit-sphere, is the equivalent for al-Qaeda that defeating George Bush alone would have been for the progressive movement in this country.

Now that the man-behind-the-throne, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has taken the throne, it is as though Richard Cheney had ascended to the presidency.

However Dr. Zawahiri is far worse than Cheney because he has no constitutional government to inhibit his rule. Think of a mixture of Cheney, Rand Paul and Michele Bachmann combined and you get something of Zawahiri's personality.

Public positions of the Obama administration are assuming that Zawahiri is a less effective terrorist leader than bin Laden due to his lack of charisma and political support within al-Qaeda. They have also assumed that he has less financial support than he needs.

They are making similar assumptions about Republican extremist candidates for president. Obama may win.

I find it ironic that the same folks screaming "drill, baby, drill" a few years ago, are now complaining about the release of 30 million barrels of oil to once, and for all, get the specualtion out of the oil industry. Obama is doing something good, yet all they want to do is complain. Actually, no, I am not surprised. Obama could rise from the dead and they would still complain about it.

Hasn't he already done that? After all, he IS the Messiah.

Oh, how it warms the cuckles of my heart to hear you say that, CC. I just might touch myself over that one...

First your going to have to find it in order to touch it. Good luck with THAT.

It took you THAT long to come up with something THAT lame? Wow, CC...summer vacation has turned your brain to mush, and we're still in June!

I had to consider the limited intelligence of my audience.

Who? Yourself? After all, most of your posting appeals to an audience of one, yourself.

Considering I was directing my replies to you, I think the answer is obvious as to whom I was referring.

Good. Then zip it and keep it to yourself. You are the worst thread hijacker on this board.

At least my posts are intelligible.

Perhaps, but you are a bore. <YAWN> G'nite, CC...have fun posting to yourself. After all, you are your own best audience.

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then consider yourself extremely flattered.

Yeah, whatever.

Finally! An intelligible response. Nice and pithy.

It's obvious that the less you say, the more intelligent you appear. Now if we can just get you to shut up altogether, you'll be perceived as a genius.

Hahaha, this is your richest delusion yet! Damn, all those national oil ministers are gonna have to get new jobs, eh? Why haven't I heard more about the landmark effects of this decision, first proposed by Obama's "fellow" Republicans three years ago?

(As for the "bleach" jokes, what you actually do with your hair is irrelevant... but hair lightened by daylight is called "sun-bleached," toots. Grab a dictionary.)

I guess it's because I don't need a tan or have any desire to change my hair color that this whole preoccupation with bleach is going over my head.

And what does it have to do with Obama or the issue of him winning or losing?

Does it have something to do with white-washing of the brain perhaps? That's hardly an argument for any rational conversation about important issues.

The accusation could be made back and forth about anyone without achieving any imaginable result accept bostering the weak ego of one person by diminishing another.

Let's see how fast they support Obama now that gas prices will return to dirt. It's dropped 60 cents in the last two weeks...I'd call that progress. He's putting real money in real peoples' pockets. Obama succeeded where all others failed...he removed the speculators from the equasion. Congrats, Mr. President...another job well done!

Huh? On what planet? It's still over $4/gallon in the city, and in all the burbs through which I've driven in the past few weeks, gas is still hovering around $3.90, which is only a couple dimes under its high.






Funniest damn thing you've ever said here.

Well, for once you are wearing a smile then. I guess my work here is complete! LOL. Gas is down to $3.49 as of tonight, I expect it to drop further, since President Obama finally did what others could not...remove the specualtors from the market.

Not in Filthinois it's not.




No he didn't.

Obama: Jimmy Carter II

Um, yes he did, which is why gas prices have dropped. Please try to keep up with current events, CC. I understand it is your summer vacation, but it would behoove you to remain current, especially if you wish to debate politics at 3:33 AM.

You'd be wise to not debate me, especially since you spew total falsehoods, but mostly because in the battle of wits, you are unarmed.

Yes, I agree..it would be unwise to debate you. Regarding anything. You are too silly to debate. Back to the subject at hand, so how about those gas prices! Obama is a shoe-in for 2012!