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canmark
Newsweek article Kings of Queens suggests "Gays on TV once helped promote tolerance. Now they may be hurting it." What?! Put the fairies back in the closet is what this article seems to be saying. mad.gif

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But if we accept that Will & Grace, Dawson's Creek, and the rest once fostered acceptance, it's fair to ask if Glee may be hurting it, especially because the Kurt model is everywhere. There's Marc (Michael Urie), the flaming fashion assistant on Ugly Betty; Lloyd (Rex Lee), Ari's sassy receptionist on Entourage; the gay couple on Modern Family (one guy still pines for his ice-skating career; the other wears purple in every episode). The fey way extends to nonfiction, too, from the dozens of squealing contestants on Project Runway to the two gayest words in the English language: Perez Hilton. Next week American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert's new album, For Your Entertainment, arrives: that's Lambert on the cover, wearing heavy mascara, black nail polish, and perfect lip gloss.

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The problem with the Glee club is that Kurt and the rest are loud and proud, but their generation has turned down the volume. All this at a time when standing apart seems particularly counterproductive. Marriage (and the military) are sacred institutions, so it's not surprising that some heterosexuals will defend them against what they see as a radical alteration. But if you want to be invited to someone else's party, sometimes you have to dress the part. Is that a form of appeasement? Maybe. It's not that gay men and women should pretend to be straight, or file down all their fabulously spiky edges. But even Rachel Maddow wears lipstick on TV. The key is balance. There's so much more to the gay community than the people on TV (or at a gay-pride parade). We just want a chance to live and love like everybody else. Unfortunately, at the rate we're going, we won't get there until the post-post-gay generation.


AfterElton.com's response.

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Today Newsweek posted an article by reporter Ramin Setoodeh titled "Kings of Queens: Gays on TV once helped promote tolerance. Now they may be hurting it."

In all honestly, it's one of the worst articles about the subject that I've ever read.

The gist of the piece? Effeminate gay characters on television are possibly responsible for the defeat of gay rights in Maine, California and a general decrease in tolerance toward the GLBT community.
Joe in Philly
I think the author is entirely correct. After all, the gay men on Will and Grace were sooooo masculine and that's why people have become more gay-friendly. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
SFTom
I think the article is saying that the portrayal of gay characters on TV has devolved into parody and now generally makes fun of gay people by focusing on outrageous, over-the-top, flamboyant queens. If that's the case (I have not watched any of the shows listed), it would seem to be harmful to the public's perception of gay people. That doesn't mean shove people in the closet--sounds like there is an imbalance that needs to be corrected.
Maddog
Effeminate gay men are inherently funnier. I think it's a step in the right direction that the "new" generation isn't hung up about making a political statement. The obvious gay has a place right along with the idiot jock, the pregnant teen and the differently-abled geek. They exist and need to be represented in todays TV Shows.
CPT_Doom
The portrayal of LGBT Americans, however - at least the L and G parts - is not at all exclusive to scripted television. In fact, the largest number of such portrayals are on reality television, which certainly has its share of flamers - think the "gay husband" on Real Housewives of NYC - but often run the entire gamut. The shoppers on House Hunters, the contestants on Amazing Race, Project Runway, Top Chef, Survivor, even Nate Berkus who is about to get his own show (yes, he's a designer, but he is far from flaming).
canmark
The AfterElton article mentions a bunch of others that were ignored in the Newsweek article:

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First of all, Setoodeh seems to be overloooking a lot of gay characters currently on TV. In the past year alone, American audiences have been introduced to a gay cop on Southland, a gay teen on United States of Tara, a gay paramedic on Trauma, another gay cop on One Life to Live, and a gay prince on Kings, none of whom fit the stereotypes troubling Setoodeh. (Granted, three of these programs have been canceled — with Southland then getting picked up by another network — but even those characters were still seen by millions of people.)

Other gay characters that shouldn't "trouble" Setoodeh that are currently being watched in American homes include the bisexual Captain Jack on Torchwood, gay fraternity brother Calvin on Greek, Kevin and Scotty on Brothers & Sisters, Luke and Noah on As the World Turns and, well, the list goes on.
canmark
The same writer (Ramin Setoodeh) is at it again. Apparently, he thinks that while straight actors can play gay, gay actors are unable to play it straight. A reply from AfterElton.com.

P.S. Why does Newsweek keep publishing these articles? Do we need to be told twice in 6 months (by a out gay writer, no less) that gay is somehow not good enough?
Rob in Maine
This argument isn't new. It was raised as early the premiere of Soap, in which Billy Crystal played gay. And wasn't this same criticism leveled against the Fab Five in Queer Eye for the Straight Guy--that they're bad role models because the show suggests that all gay men are interested in is fashion, decorating, and grooming?

I think the AfterElton article makes a really good point: Glee is hardly representative of gays on television, or even network television, period.

Given that I don't even own a television, it's ironic that I'm commenting on it.
noumenon
I haven't watched Glee in a while, but I did watch a few minutes of this past episode, and I have to say that I knew Rachel's new love interest was gay in the first five seconds, and I did not know anything about Jonathan Groff until I read this article.

What I got from the piece is that the (gay) actors who are playing straight roles are perhaps miscast. huh.gif Admittedly, the piece does come off sounding like the writer is trying to cause a riot. (This is my first time reading him.) Maybe he is just trying to get attention, but he MIGHT have a point, as politically incorrect as it is. I disagree, however, that, for example, Rock Hudson - or any other actor, for that matter - was not believable playing a straight character just because you knew he was sleeping with men. I think Neil Patrick Harris pulls it off, for lack of a better phrase, as well as Rupert Everett, but other people might think I'm crazy.

Edited to add: On the other hand, the writer could do an article on how straight actors have played totally wrong their gay roles. How about that?...
Rick62
Jonathan Groff was excellent in Taking Woodstock playing the straight promoter. (sorry, I forgot his name).
canmark
Out actors Cheyenne Jackson (Xanadu and Finian's Rainbow on Broadway, and played Mark Bingham in United 93) and Michael Urie (Ugly Betty, The Temperamentals off-Broadway) sound off, calling the author an *sshole, among other things. laugh.gif

Further, Glee creator Ryan Murphy has asked for a boycott of Newsweek!
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I would like to join my good friend Kristin Chenoweth on her condemnation of a recent Newsweek article written by Mr. Ramin Setoodeh, in which Setoodeh basically says that out gay actors should go back into the closet and never attempt to play straight characters.
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Today, I have asked GLAAD president Jarrett Barrios to stand with me and others and ask for an immediate boycott of Newsweek magazine until an apology is issued to Sean Hayes and other brave out actors who were cruelly singled out in this damaging, needlessly cruel, and mind-blowingly bigoted piece. An apology should also be issued to all gay readers of the magazine...steelworkers, parents, accountants, doctors, etc...proud hardworking Americans who, if this article is to be believed, should only identify themselves as "queeny" people (a word used by Setoodeh in the article) who stand at the back of the bus and embrace an outdated decades old stereotype.
SFTom
Can you boycott something no one buys?

But seriously, I hate the rush to "punish" in response to someone expressing an opinion. Man-up people--PROVE him wrong. If you can't do that, then maybe he's correct!
CPT_Doom
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haven't watched Glee in a while, but I did watch a few minutes of this past episode, and I have to say that I knew Rachel's new love interest was gay in the first five seconds, and I did not know anything about Jonathan Groff until I read this article.


Actually, there's some thinking that your impression was deliberately given. After all, the writers have given Jesse with a lot of stereotypically gay references in his dialogue - from calling himself a "drama queen," to mentioning Barbra Streisand and in the "Bad Reputation" episode, his casual dropping of ballet references. We still don't know if Jesse really is interested in Rachel, or whether he was just a spy from their rival club. I would not be surprised at all to see a future plot point be the revelation of Jesse's homosexuality and his deliberate wooing of Rachel.

If that were to happen, the added bonus would be the egg on Setoodeh's face.
noumenon
QUOTE(CPT_Doom @ May 12 2010, 01:42 PM) *

Actually, there's some thinking that your impression was deliberately given. After all, the writers have given Jesse with a lot of stereotypically gay references in his dialogue - from calling himself a "drama queen," to mentioning Barbra Streisand and in the "Bad Reputation" episode, his casual dropping of ballet references. We still don't know if Jesse really is interested in Rachel, or whether he was just a spy from their rival club. I would not be surprised at all to see a future plot point be the revelation of Jesse's homosexuality and his deliberate wooing of Rachel.

If that were to happen, the added bonus would be the egg on Setoodeh's face.


Hmmm, that could very well be the case! As I said, I haven't watched Glee this season, except for that episode (as opposed to Fringe, which I would not dare miss!) and I didn't even watch it in full, so my impression could have been based on Groff's acting skills and not my gaydar. laugh.gif

canmark
Re: the issue of gay actors, the Toronto Star's theatre critic has written a piece noting how even now, a lot of gay theatre actors are still "don't ask, don't tell" when it comes to their sexuality. They say they don't want to be labelled "openly gay actor" as if that would limit your career opportunities. Interesting (and sad, perhaps), that even in the theatre--one of the most gay-friendly professions there is--some people find it difficult to be publicly "out."
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But once you get into the world of actors, there are a lot fewer willing to stand up and be counted … as I discovered this week, especially those who act in the more conventional or commercial theatres.

I initially noticed it by coincidence, in two interviews I did with two very different performers.

One of them is a major distinguished figure on our stages and although it's generally known that he's gay within the theatrical world, he's never given any statements to that effect and still doesn't want to.

"I'm not ashamed of being gay," he insisted. "Anyone who knows me is aware of that. But I don't want to be labelled. Once they call you ‘a gay actor,' there's an implication that you can't play anything else."
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The other performer was in his early 20s and has been out for several years to all his family, friends and colleagues. But even he asked that any mention of his private life be left out of the piece I was writing, because "it's nobody's business."
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After getting these two reactions, I started to look around more widely and found that, quite frankly, none of the stage performers I talked to wanted to be labelled as "gay" in the press. All of them are open in their personal lives to those who come in contact with them and aren't “living a lie” by any means, but they just don't want it in print.

One of them said, "I don't like that label, 'openly gay actor', because then that's all you become in the press. And as a gay man, I'm not sure how I feel about that yet."

Another performer, both contentedly gay and one of the most virile leading men around, simply said, "It's my private life and I prefer to keep it that way."
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