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NY Times: Texas Conservatives Win Curriculum Change
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After three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday approved a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers’ commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.
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Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)


Dallas Morning News: Texts won't cover Tejanos at Alamo
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A divided State Board of Education decided Friday that history students must remember the Alamo but not the names of Hispanics who fought for Texas' independence.

In a decision split along party and ethnic lines, Republicans rejected a move by the panel's five Democrats – all minorities – to require that history standards include by name the Tejanos who died in the fall of the Alamo, 174 years ago this month.
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The curriculum standards backed by the GOP-dominated panel have a political and philosophical bent in many areas.

For example, high school students will learn about leading conservative groups from the 1980s and 1990s – but not about liberal or minority rights groups.

Board members also rejected requiring history teachers and textbooks to provide coverage on the late U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy and new Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, while the late President Ronald Reagan was elevated to more prominent coverage.

The standards will remain in place for the next decade, dictating what is taught in all Texas schools and providing the basis for future textbooks and achievement tests.
Tiger
QUOTE(canmark @ Mar 13 2010, 05:43 PM) *


I hate to say it, but I'm not sure most of those decisions were all that wrong. I saw no justification of why the Tejanos ought to have been mentioned by name. Just that they were Latino and died in an celebrated moment in Texas history. It is clear that their collective contribution is mentioned in the history books, but they just aren't named as individuals. That seems reasonable enough if none contributed individually more than others.

If I had to select between Jefferson and Calvin or Aquinas, I'd ditch Jefferson in a heartbeat. Jefferson vs. Blackstone is tougher, but I'd say that Blackstone's contributions have proven more meaningful in the Anglo political/legal system. Jefferson will still be tought in history classes as part of the American Revolution and early American history, but not part of revlutionary political thought.

What has Justice Sotomayor contibuted to be included in social science classes? (Thurgood Marshall on the other hand clearly deserves to be mentioned and I suspect he is or the article would have mentioned that.) What did Ted Kennedy contribute? If his last name wasn't Kennedy no one would care. Right or wrong, Reagan had a very profound impact on the US and the world as a whole, and thus deserves significant treatment.

All in all, I'm not sure this is really all that big of a deal. It should be carefully watched, however. But I have to say that the demands of the Deocrats on the Board seemed much more politically oriented towards pushing a social agenda than the Republican demands, even though the article tried to make it out that it was the opposite.
SeaCraig
QUOTE(Tiger @ Mar 13 2010, 06:02 PM) *

I hate to say it, but I'm not sure most of those decisions were all that wrong. I saw no justification of why the Tejanos ought to have been mentioned by name. Just that they were Latino and died in an celebrated moment in Texas history. It is clear that their collective contribution is mentioned in the history books, but they just aren't named as individuals. That seems reasonable enough if none contributed individually more than others.

If I had to select between Jefferson and Calvin or Aquinas, I'd ditch Jefferson in a heartbeat. Jefferson vs. Blackstone is tougher, but I'd say that Blackstone's contributions have proven more meaningful in the Anglo political/legal system. Jefferson will still be tought in history classes as part of the American Revolution and early American history, but not part of revlutionary political thought.

What has Justice Sotomayor contibuted to be included in social science classes? (Thurgood Marshall on the other hand clearly deserves to be mentioned and I suspect he is or the article would have mentioned that.) What did Ted Kennedy contribute? If his last name wasn't Kennedy no one would care. Right or wrong, Reagan had a very profound impact on the US and the world as a whole, and thus deserves significant treatment.

All in all, I'm not sure this is really all that big of a deal. It should be carefully watched, however. But I have to say that the demands of the Deocrats on the Board seemed much more politically oriented towards pushing a social agenda than the Republican demands, even though the article tried to make it out that it was the opposite.

You say "social agenda" I'd say fair representation of what actually happend. Why mention that it was more than white people at the Alamo versus the bad bad bad Mexican people? Why talk about one of the 3 most important founding fathers? What's the harm in teaching school kids a disputed view of one of the Constitutional Amendments?

I yearn for the day when religion is truly removed from the public sphere. It can't come soon enough.

Puschkin
"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

Apparently Texans (and oh so many others) aren't able to do this. And why oh why is it such a dangerous thing to teach opposing opinions and viewpoints? And why can't these dunderheads understand the separation of church (read: religion) and state? Just because the founding fathers were Christians doesn't imply that this was or should be a Christian state.

Lord, what fools these mortals be.

TXEX97
QUOTE(Puschkin @ Mar 14 2010, 12:13 PM) *

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

Apparently Texans (and oh so many others) aren't able to do this. And why oh why is it such a dangerous thing to teach opposing opinions and viewpoints?


Because they know their views don't pass muster when held up to the light.

And it's ironic that they insist on teaching "intelligent design" to counter evolution.

The clowns on the State Board of Education are ignorant. They want the children of TX to be as ignorant as they are themselves. It's a vicious cycle.


swiminbuff
QUOTE(TXEX97 @ Mar 18 2010, 04:34 PM) *

Because they know their views don't pass muster when held up to the light.

And it's ironic that they insist on teaching "intelligent design" to counter evolution.

The clowns on the State Board of Education are ignorant. They want the children of TX to be as ignorant as they are themselves. It's a vicious cycle.

Its one thing for Texas to decide to follow a policy of lower education standards but apparently they get to decide what kids in the other 49 states will be taught, and then the same people wonder why kids in America lag behind children in other nations.
WChip
stand up to the Texas Taliban.

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TXEX97
QUOTE(swiminbuff @ Mar 18 2010, 04:41 PM) *

Its one thing for Texas to decide to follow a policy of lower education standards but apparently they get to decide what kids in the other 49 states will be taught, and then the same people wonder why kids in America lag behind children in other nations.


Although I'm certainly not going to defend the TX State Board of Education, but to play Devil's Advocate, they're only indirectly responsible for lowering other states' education standards. Call it laziness, cost-cutting, or whatever, but it is the publishers of the textbooks who are ultimately responsible for the content of their products.

In this age of computers, is it really that difficult or more costly to produce different textbooks?

There's nothing stopping the other states from banding together to counter TX.

Finally, I bet CA is a bigger market for textbooks than TX is.

Face it, with controversies such as "intelligent design," this dumbing down of school curriculum is NOT limited to TX. Right-wing fundamentalists have gone on an all-out assault on advancing their agenda in public schools across the nation.
mplsboy
Sorry Texas I just offered you to Canada as an incentive for them to keep Ann Coulter. I'm anxious to see how you might rewrite Canadian history.
George Twins fan
QUOTE(TXEX97 @ Mar 23 2010, 01:25 PM) *

There's nothing stopping the other states from banding together to counter TX.

Finally, I bet CA is a bigger market for textbooks than TX is.



All the news reports I saw said that Texas is by far the biggest consumer of textbooks.
swiminbuff
QUOTE(mplsboy @ Mar 24 2010, 02:06 AM) *

Sorry Texas I just offered you to Canada as an incentive for them to keep Ann Coulter. I'm anxious to see how you might rewrite Canadian history.

Sorry but we have to graciously decline your offer.
mplsboy
QUOTE(swiminbuff @ Mar 24 2010, 09:27 PM) *

Sorry but we have to graciously decline your offer.


"Sorry", "graciously decline", wha. . .? Wow I didn't think we knew how to talk to each like that in this country anymore. In this age of "you lie", "baby killer", "n (word) shouted at US Congressmen" "faggot (shouted at US congressmen), etc. etc. and threats on the lives of US Congressmen it's really nice to hear "sorry and graciously decline". Yes, I know both posts we just all in good fun but still. :-) Now if I could just find a deal for someone to take Ann Coulter since Texas has "graciously declined" to be a part of the deal.
swiminbuff
QUOTE(mplsboy @ Mar 24 2010, 06:00 PM) *

"Sorry", "graciously decline", wha. . .? Wow I didn't think we knew how to talk to each like that in this country anymore. In this age of "you lie", "baby killer", "n (word) shouted at US Congressmen" "faggot (shouted at US congressmen), etc. etc. and threats on the lives of US Congressmen it's really nice to hear "sorry and graciously decline". Yes, I know both posts we just all in good fun but still. :-) Now if I could just find a deal for someone to take Ann Coulter since Texas has "graciously declined" to be a part of the deal.

Actually that was Canada declining to accept Texas, we're still wanting to return Ms Coulter as well and expect that to happen by end of the week. Thank you for your kind offers but we feel we could not deprive you of 2 of your national treasures. rolleyes.gif
mplsboy
QUOTE(swiminbuff @ Mar 24 2010, 11:09 PM) *

Actually that was Canada declining to accept Texas, we're still wanting to return Ms Coulter as well and expect that to happen by end of the week. Thank you for your kind offers but we feel we could not deprive you of 2 of your national treasures. rolleyes.gif



Damn!!! God help me find a plan B.
Truth is I don't blame you. I wouldn't want Texas either.
TXEX97
QUOTE(mplsboy @ Mar 24 2010, 01:06 AM) *

Sorry Texas I just offered you to Canada as an incentive for them to keep Ann Coulter. I'm anxious to see how you might rewrite Canadian history.


Hey, we're not all bad. Some of us choose to stay & fight instead of living in gay safe areas of the country.

Besides, you should also be angry at CA & ME for taking away marriage equality after it was granted.

QUOTE(George Twins fan @ Mar 24 2010, 07:10 AM) *

All the news reports I saw said that Texas is by far the biggest consumer of textbooks.


How can that be when TX is the 2nd largest state by population? Surely CA must be the biggest consumer of textbooks.
SeaCraig
QUOTE(TXEX97 @ Apr 23 2010, 01:32 PM) *

Hey, we're not all bad. Some of us choose to stay & fight instead of living in gay safe areas of the country.

Besides, you should also be angry at CA & ME for taking away marriage equality after it was granted.
How can that be when TX is the 2nd largest state by population? Surely CA must be the biggest consumer of textbooks.
My understanding was that TX buys the same books for the entire state, in CA the individual districts make decisions.
George Twins fan
QUOTE(TXEX97 @ Apr 23 2010, 04:32 PM) *


How can that be when TX is the 2nd largest state by population? Surely CA must be the biggest consumer of textbooks.


I don't know...but I did hear it on a couple of news reports. Perhaps TX has a larger population of school age children and/or public school children.
sportinlife
According to these data on the state populations of 5-17 year olds, compiled by a private organization headed by a former Census Bureau econometrician, California has considerably more pre-college kids, at over 6.6 million, than Texas at 4.7 million in 2010.

Assuming SeaCraig is right that California's purchase decisions are made locally rather than by the state, that could still give Texas far more influence over what appears in the texts.

Ironically this inordinate influence over what children are taught would then have been achieved by a state-government mandate that is contrary to the devolution of power that most politically conservative Texans claim to believe in when it comes to federal mandates for the states.

If progressive pockets throughout the state, such as Austin and perhaps Houston, were free to make their own decisions that influence might be diluted considerably.

It does point out the hypocrisy of so-called conservatives once they gain power, and should give pause to anyone thinking that returning them to power will increase freedom of speech or association nationwide; or even an increased "free market". Right-wing governments do not like freedom of choice.

Arizona recently passed immigration legislation that might be abused there or in other states that may follow.
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