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BigBlueCowboy
This article is truly chilling. Substitute "Jew" or "Black" for gay and understand what it says about the Republican party today. It also reflects the hatred of far-right religious groups. This is why it is important that we are open. We need to fight back against this fear-mongering, scape-goating, and outright hatred.


Legislators Talk Gay Marriage Ban





“Action springs not from thought, but from a readiness for responsibility.” Dietrich Bonhoeffer

I quote from a Lutheran minister, because he stood up to challenge the hatred in his society. We need to do the same.
SeaCraig
The good news is the number of federal cases going our way showing the government has no Fourteenth Amendment reason to discriminate against us. If a gay marriage ban is deemed unconstitutional on a federal level it won't matter what the states do.

IMHO, the bigger issue is the lack of any notion of separation of church and state. Many, most on the right, don't even think there should be that separation or understand what it means.
BigBlueCowboy
Look, I have no problem with churches, synagogues, temples, ministers, priests, nuns, or rabbis being politically engaged. and I have no problem with politicians speaking in churches, synagogues, or temples. The Civil rights movement was led by Christian ministers (the Rev. Dr. MLK, the Rev. Andrew Young, the Rev. Jesse Jackson). Barney Frank's predecessor in the House was a Jesuit priest. Countless men and women of the cloth and religious persons have stood up to injustice and demanded political change because of their religious faith. Separation of church and state does not mean political neutrality, apathy, or antipathy.

What they are doing here is wrong. That is why we need to challenge their assumptions and their arguments. The Republican Part, as it is today, and the Tea Party engages in exploiting fear. We need to counter that.
SeaCraig
QUOTE(BigBlueCowboy @ Sep 9 2011, 08:13 AM) *

Look, I have no problem with churches, synagogues, temples, ministers, priests, nuns, or rabbis being politically engaged. and I have no problem with politicians speaking in churches, synagogues, or temples. The Civil rights movement was led by Christian ministers (the Rev. Dr. MLK, the Rev. Andrew Young, the Rev. Jesse Jackson). Barney Frank's predecessor in the House was a Jesuit priest. Countless men and women of the cloth and religious persons have stood up to injustice and demanded political change because of their religious faith. Separation of church and state does not mean political neutrality, apathy, or antipathy.

What they are doing here is wrong. That is why we need to challenge their assumptions and their arguments. The Republican Part, as it is today, and the Tea Party engages in exploiting fear. We need to counter that.
Once I hit post I knew I wasn't clear enough...the separation violation is trying to enact a religious idea, i.e. no gay marriage, for the entire society. I think the counter to it is helping them understand that if we ever had a government that didn't believe in god that they would be trying to do the same things they're trying to do now. That the country is broader than one group.


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