Why won't NFL players do a calendar like French rugby players?

Can't Chris Simms fondle Trent Green's nipple in a bubble bath as well as these two?

Why couldn't Vinny Testaverde ever comfort Chad Pennington in their birthday suits?

How many would pay to see Chad Johnson rubbing his inner thigh against the butt of Javon Walker?

Why are French men so much more comfortable touching other men, gently, in the nude than we are?

Wow! Sport you've done it again! That last photo really gets me going.OO-LA-LA!

The simple answer: straight Americans are prudes, immature puritans when it comes to sex, and are mostly homophobic. On the other hand, most Europeans learn to love life and celebrate it, to be comfortable and confident with their bodies and orientation, and know that the male body is as beautiful as the faemale body and that acknowledging that fact does not make them gay.

[ February 24, 2006, 05:39 AM: Message edited by: aquaman ]

Its my opinion that the Europeans are not as hung up on sex as we are in America. On a whole they are light years ahead of us in how tolerant and open they are regarding sexuality, and homosexuality, and bisexuality.

[ February 24, 2006, 06:13 AM: Message edited by: hockeyTom ]

a totally different take that has nothing (almost) to do with sex.

quite simply, americans, for whatever reason, equate nudity and sex much, much more than europeans do.

nudity in and of itself isn't that big a deal in europe, whereas much of america falls all over itself with moral indignation at the sight of jj's breast. nude sunbathing, while something of a wink, wink semi-erotic activity for many americans is almost de rigeur for the euro jetsetters.

now while the calendar is (almost certainly, intentionally) homoerotic, a couple of euro blokes are much more likely to view it as simply a matter of sitting naked with a teammate. end of story.

but in the american mind, naked leads to sex, so we don't see two guys sitting naked, we see the opening scene of a porn epic.

if there weren't something sexual about being naked with a teammate (that smacks of homoeroticism), i think more american athletes would be willing to pose in situations like this. but as long as the naked=sex mentality exists, there will be an extension naked=sex=gay thought process that will prevent tom and vinnie or vinne and teddie from rubbing uglies for any calendar.

Aquaman, not only are Americans prudes but we're taught to idolize the perfect female body while demonizing or degrading an otherwise perfect, masculine body. I believe someone else on another thread mentioned that even straight female celebrities talk of how sexy and beautiful female bodies are yet a straight male will do everything he can to express his disdain for the male body (except perhaps his own). It's a shame.

Interesting thesis thersis (sorry, couldn't resist), and European art certainly has a long history of beautiful nude portraits of both sexes. Whereas here Eakins was considered somewhat scandalous for his famous paintings of nudes.

Still there has always been a sexual, even homoerotic aspect to painting the male nude even in ancient Europe. Michelangelo's motivation was almost certainly tied up with his homosexuality.

The ancient (and -significantly - pre-christian) Greeks probably had a more plutonic love of the male physique due to the fact that homosexuality was not considered abnormal (though many consider it pederasty (quite different from our modern concept of homosexuality, I think homosexuality as we know it was probably also widely practiced and mostly accepted.)

Back to the French, my favorite of the players I pictured in my initial post is Clement Poitrenaud who rings my gaydar big time. Doesn't seem to ever be pictured with a serious female interest unlike his best friend Frederic Michalak (in the same picture in that first post) who is something of a Casanova.

Also on this apparent gay russian site there are pictures from the Dieux du Stade video with rugby players posing comfortably before the camera in ways that I don't think we will ever see NFL'ers. (scroll to the bottom and click on the photos)

These men are comfortable with their sexuality and understand that homoerotic imagery enhances their appeal..Tehy know that more than half of these calendars are sold to gay men and that 95% of the purchases are made by gay men. Check out their website stade and the video clips on the stade tv page...but make sure u have a cum rag ready fellas

How many would pay to see Chad Johnson rubbing his inner thigh against the butt of Javon Walker?

Okay Sport,
I need to know!Who is that "inner thigh" guy with that big tatoo? For me it was love at first sight!

I am so OVER these pictures! They keep resurfacing and they are so old and worn old!

That would be Frederic Michalak Toulouse and Team France teammate to his good buddy Clement Poitrenaud. He's a pretty cool guy from what I've read about him but don't get your hopes up 'cause he's about to get hitched. But I don't think he minds us looking wink

But I don't think he minds us looking wink [/QB][/QUOTE]

OMG! How about looking and licking?!! I think sometimes just by looking at someone,you can tell they would be great in bed and this is THE MAN! I want him! And thanks for the extra photos,Sport,you're the greatest!XOX

[ February 25, 2006, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: eddiecat ]

But do you find it at all interesting that a guy like Michalak could be so comfortable, confident of his sexuality that he is willing to pose in such obviously homoerotic photographs? He seems to be "so OVER" the whole fear of being perceived as gay. I find the cultural gulf not quite enough to explain how that occurs elsewhere but is lost when in the US.

Freddie,you are such a tease!

Not a fan of their whiter-than-though image but the A&F boys will at least occassionally touch each other, if not in the nude...quite

Lingering mighty close to his buddies derriere

A BBM confrontation

It's okay as long as their are females in the picture

Mates keep their hands in a safe place

Groups make it safer. Peer support

Pretty bold. Very sexy

Classic. But still wearing the shorts

Nude but frigid. Nothing sensual at all

Pretty sexy shower scene

A guys' shower. The loner in the foreground rings my gaydar

Nice. Soft lighting. Very Sixties.

Silly but sweet. Broadway queens

Hot picture!

Fortunately, I am getting married to him. I decided earlier this week. You are all welcome to come to the wedding if you'd like...

I need to learn more French, but I can say, "Bonjour Monsieur Michalak! Comme ce va?" and then hop into bed with him...

Ohhh if only this fantasy could come true...

So YOUR the guy he in that picture in his locker. That explains why he doesn't want to be photographed nude in front of that picture. It's probably bad luck before the wedding. Congratulations. wink

Pardonez moi,Metro but you'd better stick with Christian Renaldo because Freddie is my man!I'm sorry but c'est le vie,mon ami! :mad: wink Baisers!

Ohhh ooook...I can live with Freddy, so long as Cristiano is all mine...

Have fun with Monsieur Michalak, eddiecat!

Wait a minute.How are you going to live with my man? I'm sure Christian is all you will need!You little home-wrecker!

Being European myself - and a Finn at that - I've always found quite bizarre the phopbia of the American straight (acting) male of a nude male body, men wearing speedos, men touching each other etc.

As Finland is the official home of the sauna, it would not, for instance, occur to any Finn to take a towel with you when going into the sauna at a gym or a public swimming pool. You are supposed to let the heat do good to your entire body and covering yourself does not allow that. And there is nothing sexual about being nude in the sauna - there are of course lots of beautiful (and less beautiful) bodies, but looking is for free and there is no discomfort (staring is of course precieved rude).

Some very nice and relaxed French pics of Clément Poitrenaud and his teammates, plus four pages of Frédéric Michalak.

Also very much worth checking out is a series from the Making of Dieux du Stade 2004
and the pics from Dieux du Stade 2001.

A thousand thank yous to you Finneye for those exquisite photos of Frederick.You have truly made my day! XOX

You are welcome, eddiecat!

Below is another comprehensive series of Frederic with more than a hundred pictures, obviously composed using some French female logic, with lots of reoccurring pictures but some new ones too.

Do those ladies make him unexpectedly shy or what?

Sorry eddie, I meant without...I can live without Freddy if you insist on having him lol.

I don't think Freddie has a problem with shyness.I wouldn't be shy either if I looked like him! wink

Hee-hee! Did you look at the more recent photos that Finneye sent? Wow!!!!!

How about this video of shooting Frédéric for Dieux du Stade 2003?
(It's worth being patient and keeping the video paused until fully loaded - so you can watch him without annoying interruptions.)

So as Frédéric is already spoken for, I guess I'll settle with Nicolas Jeanjean - actually I would in any case...
Some pics of him are found by clicking the 'Photos' links to the left, although that site works a little strange.

An amazing video of Nicolas while making the French rugby calendar.

Nicholas looks quite delicious as well!

Thanks for the inside account of how European men feel about touching in the nude. Staring is considered rude in public here as well. But I'm not sure what bathhouse etiquette requires (if anything).

Very interesting that this magazine cover applies a noun to Michalak that is feminine in French (la bombe). I would think that would never happen in South American or African countries where Spanish or French is spoken (bomba is also feminine in Spanish).

Though Michalak is beautiful, I find his Toulouse teammate Poitrenaud to be drop-dead gorgeous. Especially when his wet hair cascades over his face. The fact that he has never become the kind of magazine cover sex-symbol that Michalak is suggests women like his more typically masculine look and those sexy lips.

Or maybe (and please lord let it be true) they get the same gay-vibes from Poitrenaud that I do, and consider him unavailable.

Whatever, the guy melts me. And I'm sort of glad that eddiecat and metro have left him alone, even if I would never have a chance with him. wink

Ha! As if I would have a chance! Metro is the young beautiful man of the bunch and he would probably get all of these beautiful men!By the way Sport,you do have excellent taste and don't think that I don't appreciate Clement because I do.Freddie is still my favorite and my ultimate fantasy.How does that Luther Vandross song go..."If only for one night" Freddie would definitely make me sing,that is for sure!!

Aww thanks! I doubt it, but thanks for the self-esteem boost guys!

Not to burst a bubble or anything but I don't judge my friends (or internet chat-buddies) by their looks. That's why I like a site like Outsports so much. Except for those who have explicitly posted pictures in a thread or on their profile, I have no idea what they look like, so I judge them by what they post. Based on what you have posted, and written me, I know you are in fact a "beautiful young gay man".

Awww...that's even more important to me. Thank you very very much sportinlife!

All things are relative. North America is far ahead of Latin America when it comes to male nudity. And I gotta say that I'll take those french boys over the russian boys any day.

The Dutch are worlds apart from most of the rest of the world in their comfort with male-male contact between straight men. Some fotos of Dutch vaulter Rens Blom from his website:

Rens and his trainer Marc Osenberg seem to have an almost sexual fascination with reptiles

And a close relationship that is an inspiration

I won't speculate about the function of this lizard in Rens' training

No way that thing could have any use for a pole vaulter. Too limp

Maybe Marc could stiffen it up a bit. He'd work for me

Rens and friends in a guesthouse in Stellenbosch.

Those magnificent thighs

Moms and \"little Rens\". No, this is not a Brokeback Moment

Hmm, wonder if Rens has a gay brother somewhere

I have to say that French adult films are generally a thousand times better than all of the rest!

Rens Blom became the World Champion in pole vaulting last summer in Helsinki with the result 5m80.

It took a lot of concentration, though...
First of all, there was Kevin Rans showing off his obvious assets
Oops, attention, a major distraction, the Russian Pavel Gerasimov
Too late,but luckily he turned his back - not that it helped a lot
A man’s got to do what a man’s got to do
Luckily Kevin is all dressed now but he seems kind of sulky - hope it isn’t anything I’ve said...
Hmm.. this pole reminds me of something
It seems Kevin is melting down already
This sure is a mighty pole, I'd better hold to it real tight
Mmmm, it feels so nice in my hand
Feels good against the shoulder too
Ok, got to go now
And we have a lift-off!

Did you ever wish you were a little blond Dutch girl?
You just might after you have watched this video.
Its so touching to watch Rens swallow tears when listening to the national anthem...

No, but it would be nice to find out he likes dark American men. wink

Nice fotos, and commentary. Love those push-ups he does where he raises his butt even higher after the peak of the up-stroke. Is that a Dutch innovation or did they leave out something when I took PE?

That could be really useful for something else...