What I am trying to figure out is this: How was this a wardrobe malfunction? Justin placed his hand on her breast...was his just going to tug at it, maybe get a good feel? He ripped off the covering. How is that a wardrobe malfunction? Maybe he was looking for...nah, I'm not going political here.

He's the president. None of the Dems are yet. If/when they're president they'll get interviewed before the Super Bowl. Just because you hate President Bush doesn't mean everybody else is required to.

Maybe she's now a follower of Farakhan like brother Jack-o.

For what its worth, I watched the game with a bunch of my right-winger friends, and none of us were to happy about Kid Rock's disrespect for the flag. The Janet thing, though, was just weirder. At least there was some context for what Kid was doing, ill-advised as it was. The tit thing was just out of nowhere.

I think Beyonce did an absolute fantastic job. She looked very classy and her performance was top notch, with the orchestra backing her up. It's too bad the half-time performance/controversy placed a big ol' "pastey" cloud over Beyonce's rendition of the National Anthem.

So they traded a cheap shot for a tit shot? Glad I missed 'em both!

There is one problem with MoveOn.org's commercial. They need to adjust the deficit! eek!

I have to say that no matter how great an actress people think Janet is, I believe she was genuinely surprised that her nipple showed. The photos I've seen of her reaction seem pretty real. And the after shots of Timberlake really showed he was totally embarrassed by what he did to Janet. So I really do believe his "wardrobe malfunction" claim. The New York Times has the only quote from Jackson thus far, saying that Timberlake was supposed to only rip off the black breast plate and underneath would be a red lace. If you look closely at the photos, there are some red lace on her left breast plate, which gives a hint of what's underneath. So it's plausible that the red lace under her right breast got snagged with the breast plate during the ripping action, and then came off too.

As for some conspiracy theorists who say that if she wasn't expecting to expose herself, why have that metal sun decor on her nipple, I would say she probably always wears that like a nipple ring for some guys. That doesn't mean she always wants to flaunt it.

I like Janet Jackson. She's the only cool normal person in that weird family. I'm just sorry to see her get all caught up in this frenzy.

[ February 02, 2004, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: batboy ]

batboy, it still doesn't describe why this show was being promoted as something 'shocking' during Jackson's performance. Showing a part of her bra doesn't classify as shocking if you ask me.

This just in: Janet Jackson's right boob has signed a deal with Spike to create and star in a reality TV show. No comment yet from her left boob, reportedly disgruntled at the lack of attention.

Kind of ironic, the last thread I would expect to see on here is one about women's tits! Just shows the quality of guys on here; we can talk about anything....

The commerical worth watching wasn't shown this time.

Apple's 1984 Super Bowl spot

[ February 02, 2004, 06:26 PM: Message edited by: twin58 ]

God, big deal! I love Janet and Justin but , geez, we Americans are so frickin prude! A breast, oohh, like these kids watching with their families haven't seen worse on "Jackass" on MTV or other cable shows or online that their so-called moral parents think they have censured when they are not around!

When I lived in Germany, I always had to answer questions like "How come you Americans are so prude, yet most of the pornos come from there?" I had no answer!

Many people seem to be missing the point about the Janet Jackson incident that was pointed out to me by my MOTHER who was watching the half time show with my SISTER. Thank God I was not there for that! My mom was very offended, not by the bare breast, but by the nature in which is was revealed. The song Justin was singing is about "have you naked by the end of this song", and then he ripped off part of her top. She didn't take it off, and he didn't slide it off gently, he ripped it off. My mom felt that was an attack or representative of an attack. I agree with her. This sets a really bad example for young males watching this show. "It's ok to rip off a girls top to reveal her breast". The next thing that happens is rape! That move was so out of line, and I am ashamed of Janet for being a part of that.

On a more positive note, I was watching the first half of the game at Woofs in Atlanta. A lot of bears hang out there. The commercial about the bears dressing up like humans and writing a check to buy Pepsi was pretty funny, especially when they slid the ID onto the counter. The bar I was in erupted! I guess it was the timing. Most of the commercials were simply sophomoric humor aimed at drunk 20-somethings and teen boys.

When I heard MTV was doing the half time I thought there wasn't going to be any music talent, and it would be a reality half time show. I was right about not having any music talent at half time.

[ February 03, 2004, 06:15 AM: Message edited by: wade n atlanta ]

A statement from Janet Jackson:

Now the question is....when was the last rehearsal and when was that thing on MTV's website promoting something 'shocking'......

It's interesting that these stories don't add up at all.

Sure did. I was laughing my ass off! It was just priceless.

And just because you like him doesn't mean the majority of people who didn't vote for him have to endure him. So much for *cough* liberal *cough* CBS. Got it, you got your ass kicked during the Regans brouhaha, now you have to let Jim Nance kiss the ass of his friends.

Nice to see another lame commercial equating pot-smoking with things that it usually has nothing to do with. Two years ago, a teenage girl got pregnant and it was blamed on pot smoking. This year, firing up a fatty = blowing chunks. Right, chemo patients join marijuana clubs so they can throw up. Thanks for the info! Bungholes.

Re: Kid Rock and the flag.

Thank you for the toilet paper
But your flag's meaningless to me
Look around, we're all people
Who needs country's anyways?

Stars and Stripes of Corruption, Dead Kennedys

So the has-been Janet Jackson flashed her nipple ring? How convenient that this happens just has she has a new single out. From some of the completely over-the-top commentary I've read today, you'd think that this non-event was the worst thing to happen to this country since....well.....ever. The fact that it happened during a game that glorifies violence, cheerleaders leering at the camera and out-of-control consumerism seems to have escaped most of the commentators. Sort of like the Air Force v. UNLV game I have on in the background now: they sure don't mind getting the camera a yard from some 18-year olds tits, do they? The hypocrisy is sickening. The AF coach is gorgeous though.

Memo to Josh Groban: take voice lessons from a professional voice teacher. NOW. It's disgraceful that a singer so young should already have a wobble in his voice.

Memo to Beyonce and anyone else forced to sing the awful Star Spangled Banner: Sing. the. f**king. melody. You are not in the Mount Zion Baptist Church or on *shudder* American Idol */shudder* You are not Mahalia Jackson. A trained opera singer could sing all the colotura you're attempting, but then they'd have more musical taste than you do and probably not do so. [Shaking fist at heavens ala Homer Simpson] Marvin Gaye! I blame you! You started this in 1983 during the All-Star game. What have you wrought?

Re: the astronauts. Why do these "tributes" always seem to be so smarmy and dangerous to diabetics?

[ February 02, 2004, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]

Janet Jackson a has-been? She takes a couple of years in between albums, then puts out a great album each time, and now is coming up to the new album release date and she is a has been? Makes no sense. I can't wait to hear her new single.

As for the tit thing, I think it was brilliant to put his lyrics to the situation. Give me a break Wade n Atlanta. Rape? Why can't something just be raw fun sexuality without the extreme charge of rape being thrown out there. The song is very sexy. I had fun with my friend by screaming like a schoolgirl when he came out. Our country seems so prudish and ironically hypocritical it drives me crazy sometimes.

Truly it seems more offensive to have someone put a whole in the middle of the american flag and wear it as a poncho. Though as an american I support Kid Rock's right to do so.(no matter how gross I think he is)

I think she also says that the red part was supposed to stay on, but it came off, too. My, Justin has powerful hands.

Seabaseball...
I didn't say it was a rape, I said that kind of thing leads up to a rape. And guess what? I'm right!!! If you are foolish enough to think that this kind of agressive and destructive action is not indicative of the behavior of sexual assault you need to wake up and smell the coffee. It is not a normal act for anyone to rip off a woman's top, especially on stage in front of millions. Don't give me that lame excuse that it was "edgy". What's worse is that Janet Jackson was part of this! How many rape charges have you seen where part of the evidence admited was an article of clothing that was ripped off? If you and your lover want to have kinky sex and rip each others clothes off in private, be my guest. Don't do it in public so young guys think that this is the thing to do.

Illini, you know those marketers and promoters, they try to build things up to the extreme. They call something "shocking" but in their minds they might be thinking, oooh, some scantily clad girls are going to dance around Janet. To them, they might think that gives them the basis to promote the upcoming show as "shocking." Remember, this is America and everything is bigger and better. So I wouldn't read too much into the statement. Now, if the choreographer had said something like "and watch for some revealing moves" then I would say, yeah, he knew it was coming.

In a word, crass. The commercials looked to the lowest common denominator, lowbrow, physical humor. The only creative commercials were the Budweiser donkey and I hear one I missed with Homer Simpson. The rest were just tasteless. What has happened to the creativity of the dot-coms, the commercials you have to watch to catch the full effect, the witty and interesting? I will say that, watching the game with 18 other gay guys, the suggestion of gay theme of the "bear" commercial and the toilet paper spot were very evident.

And crass also described the entire half-time show. Who cares if Kid Rock lip-sinced, either live or recorded he has no voice, his "talent" consists only of being a star. I agree that his "use" of the flag was also inappropriate. I must be becoming a prude or something, it struck me as wrong, not unpatriotic as such, just tacky. And although the end was all everyone talked about, Justin and Janet bumping and grinding through the entire song just was not appropriate. The entire halftime show had no theme except sex. All-in-all the halftime show could not be compared with the 2002 halftime with U2, which was at least to me very moving and meaningful.

Oh, and btw, did anyone else notice that Justin pranced and danced and sang with a bit of a swish? My gaydar went off the scale. Will he come out eventually or get married and do stuff on the side?

I fear that the next halftime show will have Wayne Newton and Neil Diamond, that the reaction will be to clean it up and that will sanitize it so much as to be bland and uninteresting. Is that better than being bad and tasteless? My suggestion, please all the gay boys, bring on Bette and Barbra, and the cast of "Naked Boys Singing".

[ February 03, 2004, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: bballrob ]

What kills me is how trivial this whole thing is. Who cares if an aging pop star shows her breast. We are living a world of terrorist attacks, conflagration in the Middle East and we are spending all this energy on two rapidly aging pop stars.

I wish people and specfically news reporting organizations would treat this for what it is. A desperate play for attention. If a two year old did this, we would just ignore it a move on.

I suspect your prediction will end up being close to the truth, bballrob....it wouldn't surprise me if the sportsbooks in Vegas started putting up odds on who the halftime performers will be in next year's SB....I can do without Babs or Bette (does this mean that I have to turn in my "gay card"? wink ) but after Tagliague's statement yesterday I'll put money on Josh Groban as the "early favorite" to be "promoted" from the pre-game show to halftime performer :cool: ....any other ideas on who is likely to be entertaining us in Super Bowl XXXIX (most of whom will probably be unknown to any fan under 35)?

Last year ABC televised the Super Bowl, and this year it was CBS. I'll assume that next year it's Fox, so that makes the halftime obvious. Get ready for various American Idols.

Well, since it's going to be on Faux, how about neocon Wayne Newton?

Ung, if I'm not mistaken, the Jacksons (or at least Michael) were tossed from the Jehovah's because they got too famous to continue soliciting for new recruits door-to-door. Apparently that is a requirement of church membership, and there is no way either Michael or Janet would be able to do that these days (the rest of the Jacksons probably could - who would recognize them?).

Wishlist for next year's halftime: Springsteen, Melissa Etheridge, Matchbox20, Coldplay, Annie Lennox, Elton John, Paul McCartney, Rolling Stones, Moby, Dixie Chicks (that will be the day).

Reality for next year's halftime: Bland, blah and boring--Aerosmith (again), Gosh Groban, Tony Bennett, a boy band or two (minus Timberlake, he may never get to attend an NFL game again), Up With People reunion.

Do you suppose that one day the Super Bowl will be several hours of "entertainment" with guys playing football at the half-time?

Amazing that these producers think that anyone is captivated by dance routines, fugly dancers, shitty costumes, lip synching, and smoke machines in 2004.

It was such an ugly spectacle up there. And they all looked so bored. If I were king, I'd force them to limit it to one person with a guitar singing classic rock tunes that the crowd can sing along to.

All I can say is, "Big deal." I'd rather see Janet's boob than that fat guy's ass crack on "My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance'" any day.

So that was the alternative?

I'm using an example. Just go w/ it, okay?

I think Missy Elliott would put on a good performance. She's got "edge" but doesn't usually go too far. And her performances are usually visually neato!! :cool:

But I'd also second Matchbox Twenty, or possibly No Doubt or Michelle Branch, but her stuff might be too mellow for a Superbowl.

(as a side note, I might have to actually stay home on Saturday night to see if SNL does a skit about the incident)

[ February 03, 2004, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: stinger85 ]

Perhaps they should consider performers who can actually perform live. You know, the ones who don't need a phalanx of not-particularly-attractive dancers to fool us into thinking they're actually doing something worth watching.

How corny is this? It was bad even before the tit came out.

[ February 03, 2004, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: TomFord ]

CBS has the answer...

An exclusive Salon interview with the Boob.

te New York Times had a great line in today's issue. Is Janet laughing now? wink

Yep- the guy in the kilts standing on an air grate was a HOOT!

[ February 05, 2004, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: copman ]

At my Super bowl party we always watch the commercials because most of my guests are actors and are often in or up for some of the spots. The ad that got the biggest laugh was the Horse Fart spot. We also liked a couple that haven't been mentioned here - the FedEx spot with the space alien with the bad disguise, and the "Shards of Glass Freeze Pops" PSA. We liked the "Fetch" spot - but dick jokes are always so easy. The Bud Donkey was cute, but not the gut laugh the others were. The hands down loser spots were the AOL ads.

My impression from last year was that there were a couple of spots that could easily be construed as anti-gay - this year there were none - so that's an improvement.

As for the staged peek-a-boob, who cares. I can't really comment on it - I was outside having a cigar, and wouldn't put my macanudo out to come in and see any woman's tit.

My take on the Janet Jackson boob thing!!!....

I don't see why the FCC and the NFL is making it such a BIG deal!!!

We are talking about a "Sports Game" and if they are worried about "obscienity"(I can not spell that word)anyways...then why in the heck have they not worried about covering the players and coaches and owners mouth when they are screaming "F" this and "F" that!

Think about it...which is really worse? Nudity: a split second...or seeing and hearing a player (sometimes) saying the "F" word.

I think the "F" word and the showing of a sports player anger is more harmful than seeing a 30something year old tit for a 40th of a second!

The SHOCK....The HORROR....The STUPIDITY!

Big Deal!

Perhaps the FCC is afraid that next time Justin will have his pants pulled down. Which really would be verboten, especially if it shook the concentration of one or more of the athletes.

Seems to me, with JJ being the 'older woman', she ought to have been the one ripping off JT's boxers.

It would make him a better boy. And what if he were wearing a silver spangle like the one Janet had on?

I am actually a big fan of Janet's(I have seen 3 of her 4 concert tours), and I think that the media and the public is giving her soon-to-be released album, the publicity that it needs and would not have gotten otherwise. She has already apologized and it should be forgotten. What the media and the public in general, should be even more appalled and disgusted with, is the streaker that made it onto the field before halftime kickoff.

With the unprecendented amount of security at the game, how in the world could a stranger dressed in a referee's uniform make it out onto the field. Yes, it did indeed turn out to be a harmless, stupid stunt, but what if he had been strapped with C-4 or whatever the latest terrorist attire is these days? No one is even talking about this! Instead the hot topic of the moment is Janet-Gate! I mean don't get me wrong, what Janet did was inappropriate and that was not the proper forum for it, but the streaker making it onto the field was just as detrimental to the welfare of everyone in that stadium than to the psyche of the general public's consciousness. The FBI and the NFL should be investigating this, because that is what is more likely to happen in the future, than someone revealing their body parts.

At least it proved she's not a drag queen.

Justin T is the most womanly person with facial hair imaginable.

As for the "rape"-like elements of the action... yeah, sure. Rape-associated fantasies are common currency in pop culture, or in sex "play" when people rip clothes off. (I'm sure we've all read personal ads.) Whether it desensitizes people to actual rape is a debatable subject.

On Monday night they showed the whole thing on David Letterman's show. He was out there dancing like a goofball for a full minute before he started running as security finally gave chase.

So much for security in the post-9/11 era!

For those of us who don't mind seeing (or at least fantasizing) a little bit more about Justin than Janet:

The part of the half-time show we didn't see eek!

Very funny Hula Boy, but from what i've read, that may be an exaggeration of Justin wink