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Yep- It was very real to me & touching. Just glad Matt didn't get gay bashed & beaten up. That is so overused. (I know it happens, etc, etc - but not to EVERYONE, which is what I figured would happen on here. Glad it didn't)

I'm sure it did...although we each may have different reasons, based on our own circumstances.

Well, no "Jack and Bobby" episode tonight. I might watch last week's episode, again.

Yeah, I thought the show handled Matt's story really well. Sure, Jack's initial reaction to Matt wasn't helpful, but consider the context (right after an argument about Jack's girlfriend). Matt's own fears (especially of his dad's reaction, which his mom apparently didn't help) were what isolated him the most. That's not unusual, and though it doesn't always lead to suicide, it leads absenteeism and other school problems (and substance abuse) often enough. He needed friends but thought he couldn't have any, and that's a bad combination.

I was glad to see the blurb for the Trevor Project at the end, too (rather than one for a generic youth crisis line), even if Jack (or rather Matt Long, who plays him) only did a voiceover rather than appearing on screen (the phone number was the important thing).

A Warner Bros. press release says that last week's episode of "Jack & Bobby" was the highest-rated episode of the series (granted, the show's ratings have been pretty terrible) and that their evidence indicates it saw increases in all demographics, particularly among "18-24 year-old males."

One has to assume that many younger gay guys tuned in to see how "their" story would be handled.

~Adam

You can go ahead and thank me since I was a Nielsen viewer last week. AWESOME!

Bad news guys...after next week's episode, the show is going on a six-week hiatus for some reality show about college. I'm very disappointed about this. But I guess it's because most of the WB shows usually air reruns thru most of December and into January, anyway, and J&B just doesn't have enough episodes, yet.

[ November 25, 2004, 06:15 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

That's it exactly. December is a slow month for most of the networks (too many holiday events for people to stay home watching the tube, although Tivo is making that less of an issue), and especially the WB (most colleges have fall-semester finals in December now). So December is full of holiday-themed "specials" instead of new eps.

Still, I'll miss J&B during the hiatus (which probably will include Everwood and OTH too). Expect new eps after New Year's.

[ November 26, 2004, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]

I am SO GLAD grace and Tom hooked up last night! About time. Jack now sees what his mom was talking about concerning Missy. Manipulative, manipulative, manipulative! Pastor's daughter having her first sex IN THE CHURCH! eek! "Jack, I covered up all the creepy Jesus pictures." AAAUUUGGGHHH!

And, I learned last night that in addition to screwing up my 31st birthday, the damn terrorists are going to screw up my 71st birthday, too!

I have no idea how what happens in the future is connected to anything that happened during the episode. They ought to junk those interviews from the future.

And to throw that mugging scene in like that, seemingly out of nowhere? I don't get it.

And why wouldn't it occur to Grace to try to get her brother into rehab?

Hmmmm. I don't think I liked this episode much at all.

The Lost Boys episode (two weeks ago) was the first time I found the future-scripts extrememly distracting, probably because the whole episode was very emotional. I think if the show is picked up for next year, there will be some retooling--maybe it will be done during this six-weeks break.

I agree about the mugging...why was that tagged on unless it was sort of like a mini-cliffhanger.

BTW, speaking of the six-week break, the replacement show (BMOC) was filmed at The University of Central Florida.

Agree with you about Grace getting her brother into rehab. She--of all people--would know how hard it is to go cold turkey; she gave Jack her stash because she couldn't quit.

As for the mugging, I'm willing to wait to see if it's a random act or if it's used as part of something larger before passing judgement. This does seem to be the week for surprise, out-of-the-blue final scenes on TV: "Judging Amy" (I don't watch but have friends who work on it) ended with Amy discovering her mother unconscious having suffered a massive heart attack.

I kind of like the commentary on the McCallister Administration, especially the fawning nature of them all. It's exactly how people who have worked for any President talk about him and his administration.

~Adam

Isn't it interesting how you never see the future Bobby McCalister, unless it is in a shaded campaign photo. You see Courtney quite a bit but no Bobby, and we already know Jack dies on the border during in the War Between the Americas. Hummmmmm.

Well, tonight's the first new episode since November ... and the preview includes a shot of Courtney finding a boy played by Mike Erwin (yes, Colin the Coma Boy from Season 1 of Everwood) tied to a tree. Wearing nothing but the rope (unless you count his strategically placed hands). eek! wink

Boy's been busy, what with his guest gig on Joan of Arcadia as a closeted quarterback. That reran last week. :cool:

[ January 26, 2005, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]

Finally! Last night's episode was awesome and the series debut of Mike Erwin (a.k.a. deadColin) naked and tied to a tree was awesome! He is so adorable. It seems he is making his way thru a lot of the WB shows. BTW, even though he was not in the previews, he makes another appearance next week.

Hmm ... wonder if we find out more about his character's "girlfriend" back home. wink

As for the previews ... Jack's girlfriend Missy looks like major bad news. Poor guy. frown

I can't stand Missy. Imagine the rep of a girl who has sex in her own father's church!

Well, how did you like the episode without the future scenes? I didn't notice it until halfway thru and suddenly realized that I didn't miss them after all.

I didn't miss it even a little.

I still maintain they should've kept the mystery of which brother eventually becomes the President. They could've had those interviews written in a way that would keep it a secret.

I'm starting to like Missy's character, she certainly adds some depth to the show. Jack is being a major "hole" recently...makes me want to cuddle him even more! (likewise for Tom, what a hottie!).

Well, I think he got a major wake-up call ... even if it is shameless foreshadowing his likely next interest (Katie, whom I actually kind of like ... I feel for Jack, but he needs someone to call him on his BS). :cool:

Also glad to see the brothers talking at the end. Not exactly warm and fuzzy, but how many teenage brother relationships are? And yeah, Bobby's whiny, but that's realistic for 13.

Tom the TA is getting on my nerves. Yeah, he's hot, but butting in on a parent-child outing? Bonehead. (Then again, he's willingly sleeping with his boss, so what should we expect?)

And apparently we get at least one more week of Nate (a.k.a. deadColin). He was really working his trademark eye and facial expressions this week. But dating a high schooler? He better research the consent laws in Misery. eek!

I missed the commentary on the McCallister Administration. Without it, "Jack & Bobby" seems like any other teen angst drama on the WB. And I agree that TA Tom forcing himself on a parent/child outing was beyond stupid--and the Grace character had to suddenly lose her brain to allow him to join it. She has been presented as having been distant with Jack but smothering of Bobby; why suddenly would that cease?

~Adam

Good point, especially when they go cold turkey the way they did this week.

Viewers of Everwood, another Greg Berlanti creation, had similarly mixed or divided feelings about that show's framing device: the retrospective narrations (from some indefinite future time) and musings by Irv, the school bus driver and husband of feisty Nurse Edna. They were sometimes overdone, but something was missing when they weren't there. This year (the third season), they're gone completely (along with the Rockwellesque title art), and the narrator's character looks as if he's being slowly written out of the show (involuntary retirement, marital discord).

So the interviews from the future might be a temporary thing, for better or worse.

I haven't seen this show but from what I've read the WB is on the fence about renewing it. So the producers are probably trying different tones in order to find the right one to draw a bigger audience.

The one semi-relatable situation I cna think of is the voice over narration on Desperate Housewives. People obviously don't mind them as the ratings would indicate. But i find them to be really annoying and am glad they've cut them back quite a bit sine the show started and I doubt I would miss them at all if they did away with them all together.

Regarding Mary Alice on "DH," local news interviewed the actress who plays her; she says we're in for more narration to give a fuller picture of what her character's life was like...and that her narration will ultimately explain why she killed herself.

~Adam

Interesting episode last night. The future flashback narrator last night was "Courtney McAlister-former First Lady". So are we to assume that Jack's schoolmate actually marries Bobby down the road? If so, I wonder if her girl-on-girl kiss was revealed during the campaign.

"Courtney McAlister-former First Lady" has been on many, many times. Yes, it is the same Courtney. She refers to her younger self quite often. She did it last night talking about standing in the window of the university president' home.

Of more interest to me was the adult Courtney remarking that Grace was still alive during the McAllister administration. Is it just me or does Missy seem a whole lot younger than any of the other people in the Jack storyline; she seems almost as young as Bobby or Warren.

~Adam

I thought the whole premise behind the show was to keep that a secret

I was really surprised when they said Bobby was going to be president

I know...way back in episode one. That was a bit of a downer that they let us know so early on.

Christine Lahti was born in 1950 so, when Bobby becomes president in 2040, she will be 90. I guess she is dead by 2047 when these future episodes are taking place.

Of more interest to me was college boy Nate (played by Mike Erwin) stripping down to his boxers during the "truth or dare" game.

[ February 18, 2005, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]

It must be in Mike Erwin's contract that he appear shirtless in every episode.
Episode one: tied naked to a tree.
Episode two: on the couch naked having sex with Courtney.
Episode three: stripping down to his boxers at the snow-in.
Hey, I'm not complaining.

Jack & Bobby faces uncertain future. frown

Yeah, I'm torn between wanting future seasons of J&B and wanting Berlanti to be full-time on Everwood again (so we don't get more Lifetime/Oxygen crap like the Andy-Amanda romance, the only redeeming quality of which was the echoes-of-Colin ending).

[ February 22, 2005, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: danimal ]

Isn't it amazing how much Colin overshadows so much of Everwood? He's been dead almost two years now and his influence is as alive as ever.

[ February 22, 2005, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

If anyone is still watching this show other than me.....I'm still surprised that they killed off Missy. At first I thought she was annoying, but I really began to like her because she seemed to develop into the most complex character on the show. After losing the hottie Tom, now Missy, and apparently Bobby's best friend as well, thats three pretty big characters written off the show in its first season.

I am still watching, and I am PISSED that my DVR screwed up the recording of it last night. It looked like it was going to be a good episode. Oh well...

Jack's uber-nobility in last night's episode (taking the blame for Marcus' drunk driving) made absolutely no sense, but I did like the fact that, in the scene with Bobby about "it sucks to be left behind," he referneced Matt (the gay character who committed suicide) in addition to their dad and Missy. Always nice to see a show acknowledge its own history.

~Adam

I watched one episode since it came back in the last few weeks. It's no longer a show I feel I need to watch. If they cancel it and do a decent finale to it, I might pick up the DVD set someday, assuming there is one.

Jack and Bobby's dad has been cast: supposedly, it's Lou Diamond Phillips. UGH! I think that he's supposed to debut in the season (series?) finale.

I was unimpressed by last nights season finale. The characters and their reactions are becoming too stale and predictable. And I was like, umm, you guys remember Missy? one of your best friends just died 2 weeks ago and she gets no mention. And within a few weeks time Jack goes from sleeping with Missy, to the red head, and now to Courtney. They're supposed to be teens, not gay men!!

Maybe it's because I missed some weeks of the show but I enjoyed it last night (except for Lou Diamond Phillips' accent) -- it sure seemed like a series finale to me, and a good one. And the scenes from the future documentary on the president were really effective for a change.

Once I got over the fact that Gore Vidal was one of the people offering commentary on the life of Jack McAllister, I enjoyed the episode, in particular the comments on Jack & Bobby's adult lives, particularly because so many of the people who play a role in the McAllister Administration were influences on his present-day childhood--the University President, Marcus, Courtney, and (last week) Warren. When one of them said that Grace seemed to stop living when Jack dies, I wished we had learned how that manifested itself--especially since she was so domineering a figure in Bobby's young life.

~Adam

Rest in Peace, Jack & Bobby. The show has been cancelled.

BTW, why oh why did they change Jack's death for the final episode? Early in the season, it was revealed that Jack died on the border in the War of the Americas. What a screw-up at the end of the season.

[ May 17, 2005, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]