Full Version: Rosie O'Donnell
I was never a fan of Rosie O'Donnell's talk show or her stand up comedy routine. Now the 'mainstream' media and the tabloids are hyping her marriage to Kelli O'Donnell and acting like she is the leader of the gay community. She wants to give that impression also. She acted like she was on a pious crusade for justice when she announced that she was fighting for the rights of gay and lesbian parents in Florida. She did not do anything but talk. Have people forgotten that she used to make homophobic remarks about gay men in her stand up comedy act?
I think her wife is going to be on 20/20 tonight.
I'd rather have Ellen be a spokeperson for gay rights instead of Rosie. Rosie is just too pompous when you see her on the air. Ellen's niceness really shines whenever you see her. 
[ March 12, 2004, 07:57 AM: Message edited by: Allen ]
[ March 12, 2004, 07:57 AM: Message edited by: Allen ]
I never knew that Kelli O'Donnell was to appear on 20/20 so thanks for the info. I hate 20/20. That give me a break guy bores the hell out of me. And I love to watch Ellen's show. She is a decent human being. I love it when she dances at the start of her show. I bought her new book and it is really witty and funny. Rosie delights in making fun of people. Anytime British actors or actresses would appear on her show she would 'attempt' to mimic them. That was so rude. She made the juvenile cast of Harry Potter so nervous. The young boy who plays Harry was clearly very uncomfortable with her.
[quote]Nascar007
[/quote]Capricorn, I agree. Rosie's wife will be on 20/20 tonight in an interview, and she hasn't done anything to become famous except marry Rosie. Why must the media continue to give these nobodies a platform?? [/QB][/QUOTE]
Sure she's a "nobody", Nascar, but I do assume you've been reading the news lately? Uh, "Gay marriage"? There's a "platform" if I've ever heard one.
I don't exactly think Barbara Walters will be interviewing her to find out what kind of tree she'd be or what she's gonna wear to the next awards show...
[/quote]Capricorn, I agree. Rosie's wife will be on 20/20 tonight in an interview, and she hasn't done anything to become famous except marry Rosie. Why must the media continue to give these nobodies a platform?? [/QB][/QUOTE]
Sure she's a "nobody", Nascar, but I do assume you've been reading the news lately? Uh, "Gay marriage"? There's a "platform" if I've ever heard one.
I don't exactly think Barbara Walters will be interviewing her to find out what kind of tree she'd be or what she's gonna wear to the next awards show...
There is so much hype with the O'Donnells but I saw very little of Billy Bean on television. I saw him once on The Best Damned Sports Show and once on VH1 and that is all. He would be a good role model for gay youth and a good representative for the gay community. Chad Allen is doing wonderful work in giving his view of gay marriage. I saw part of his appearance on Larry King Live.
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CatcherInNY
Sure she a \"nobody\".
I don't exactly think Barbara Walters will be interviewing her to find out what kind of tree she be or what she's gonna wear to the next awards show... [/QB]
Yes, I think they'll ask her questions about her married life at home with Rosie. That is real important information. Sure she a \"nobody\".
I don't exactly think Barbara Walters will be interviewing her to find out what kind of tree she be or what she's gonna wear to the next awards show... [/QB]
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Capricorn:
Chad Allen is doing wonderful work in giving his view of gay marriage. I saw part of his appearance on Larry King Live.
Capricorn, I did see Chad Allen on Larry King. That religious-right preacher guy was a bit abrasive, but Chad stood his ground against him. He did a great job on Larry King.
Chad Allen is doing wonderful work in giving his view of gay marriage. I saw part of his appearance on Larry King Live.
If we had to pick a gay king and a gay queen...uh...sorry, got distracted there for a minute on that last one. I would choose Chad and Ellen. They are amazing!
I used to love watching Rosie's show in the early days before she got too pompous and self-righteous. Did you notice whenever she talks about politics, she gets very angry. (By the way, where's cutie John McDaniel? He's so cuddly.)
Anywho. While I think Rosie's not necessarily who we would want as a gay community leader, she is definitely one that can command a wide audience and at least she's speaking out against the outrageous comments of President Bush and his amendment to create second-class citizens. So while Rosie's personality might not be as sincere as Ellen's, at least she's willing to bring attention to this issue and at least she's on the right track on her views. I mean, I would be totally against her if she came out and said gay people are happy with their commitment ceremonies now, so why complain? She's not saying that. She fighting for all of our rights and no matter pompous or self-righteous she gets, she's maintaining awareness of this issue. And I think interview her wife is a good way to show that Rosie is really a lesbian. Just for those doubting middle Americans.
Anywho. While I think Rosie's not necessarily who we would want as a gay community leader, she is definitely one that can command a wide audience and at least she's speaking out against the outrageous comments of President Bush and his amendment to create second-class citizens. So while Rosie's personality might not be as sincere as Ellen's, at least she's willing to bring attention to this issue and at least she's on the right track on her views. I mean, I would be totally against her if she came out and said gay people are happy with their commitment ceremonies now, so why complain? She's not saying that. She fighting for all of our rights and no matter pompous or self-righteous she gets, she's maintaining awareness of this issue. And I think interview her wife is a good way to show that Rosie is really a lesbian. Just for those doubting middle Americans.
Well said batboy. It's amazing how you expressed almost exactly what I was thinking.
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Nascar007:
Yes, I think they'll ask her questions about her married life at home with Rosie. That is real important information.
Damn right, it IS important information! Important for everyone who watches 20/20 to see that a gay couple is like everyone else, just raising their kids to be good people and muddling through life. Important for everyone to see they they are a gay couple who is MARRIED and raising kids, and yet God (I use that term loosely since I don't believe in a god) has not seen fit to strike down our country with a torrent of plagues. Yeah, yeah, this couple is different, being wealthy and famous with nannies and maids, but from the previews I've seen, I think the interview will do nothing but good for our cause.Yes, I think they'll ask her questions about her married life at home with Rosie. That is real important information.
What's with all the venom against Rosie? She's not perfect, but who is? She's out there putting a well-known face to our struggle, and she's willing to speak out on the issues, unlike Ellen. And yeah, she sometimes seems angry when talking about politics, but so do millions of other people. Maybe she could tone it down, but she's expressing her passion about the subject in her own way. I sure as hell get angry talking about the FMA and the laws that prohibit gays from adopting.
Well, maxallen, sometimes when you hear the same information from the same person over and over again, you zone out. If you hear the same info, but from a different person, you pay attention.
I'm not lambasting Rosie, but her abrasiveness does grate on many people. There are other gays and lesbians that would be better spokepersons on this issue.
I'm not lambasting Rosie, but her abrasiveness does grate on many people. There are other gays and lesbians that would be better spokepersons on this issue.
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batboy:
I used to love watching Rosie's show in the early days before she got too pompous and self-righteous. Did you notice whenever she talks about politics, she gets very angry. (By the way, where's cutie John McDaniel? He's so cuddly.) Rosie's personality might not be as sincere.
Batboy, I fully agree. John McDaniel, I believe is still in New York pursuing a career in music.
I used to love watching Rosie's show in the early days before she got too pompous and self-righteous. Did you notice whenever she talks about politics, she gets very angry. (By the way, where's cutie John McDaniel? He's so cuddly.) Rosie's personality might not be as sincere.
I always find it hilarious on SNL when Horatio Sanz portrays Rosie. It's almost as good as John Goodman's Linda Tripp.
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bobby78751:
If we had to pick a gay king and a gay queen...uh...sorry, got distracted there for a minute on that last one. I would choose Chad and Ellen. They are amazing!
Thank God we DON'T have to pick a gay king and queen.If we had to pick a gay king and a gay queen...uh...sorry, got distracted there for a minute on that last one. I would choose Chad and Ellen. They are amazing!
What is this, high school?
Rosie's just making up for lost time. I'm sure as the years go on she'll be less abrasive. As it is, I have zero problem with her making a ruckus, though.
As for Chad Allen on Larry King Live, erm...well, he was a little green. He seemed to get rattled far too easily, and he didn't seem to know much about politics, religion, or gay issues. Points for sincerity, I guess.
[ March 12, 2004, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]
As for Chad Allen on Larry King Live, erm...well, he was a little green. He seemed to get rattled far too easily, and he didn't seem to know much about politics, religion, or gay issues. Points for sincerity, I guess.
[ March 12, 2004, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]
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Jim:
As for Chad Allen on Larry King Live, erm...well, he was a little green. He seemed to get rattled far too easily, and he didn't seem to know much about politics, religion, or gay issues. Points for sincerity, I guess.
But he's so HOT Jim, don't you want him to be YOUR gay king, YOUR gay representative? As for Chad Allen on Larry King Live, erm...well, he was a little green. He seemed to get rattled far too easily, and he didn't seem to know much about politics, religion, or gay issues. Points for sincerity, I guess.
Did anyone else see the "60 Minutes 2" piece this past Wednesday, focusing on the lesbian couple who--like Rosie--got married in SF? Both are middle-aged teachers and the report showed them having a family dinner with their children and grandkids. A nice, everyday event--straight out of middle America. When the reporter asked what they would say to those vehemently opposed to gay marriages, one responded that it's important for them for step forward so the issue has faces rather than mere statistics and that the more those who oppose gay marriage see how non-scary and non-threatening we are, maybe some minds will change. Her partner responded that she would invite those opposed to "have dinner at our house."
Though I respect Rosie for her willingness to step forward and take the "slings and arrows," her shrillness coupled with her arrogance--I'm right and everyone else is wrong--turns off far more people. I think it's more important for middle America to see a wider representation of the gay family--sort of like that couple (pure middle America, themselves) on "60 Minutes 2."
~Adam
Though I respect Rosie for her willingness to step forward and take the "slings and arrows," her shrillness coupled with her arrogance--I'm right and everyone else is wrong--turns off far more people. I think it's more important for middle America to see a wider representation of the gay family--sort of like that couple (pure middle America, themselves) on "60 Minutes 2."
~Adam
My vote for gay king and queen:
Ellen and Ian McKellen
Ellen and Ian McKellen
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Allen:
I'm not lambasting Rosie, but her abrasiveness does grate on many people. There are other gays and lesbians that would be better spokepersons on this issue.
Well where are they? It's telling that Chad Allen, bless his heart, is getting airtime.
I'm not lambasting Rosie, but her abrasiveness does grate on many people. There are other gays and lesbians that would be better spokepersons on this issue.
I thought the O'Donnells did a very good job on 20/20 tonight. It's interesting how they didn't interview together, though. I'm glad Kelly's parents have supposedly come around, but I still get the impression that in the back of their heads, the whispers of "Going to burn in hell" are still there.
I watched the 20/20 interview and it sure was boring. This Kelli wants to give the impression that she is some new leader of the gay community. She is not my leader. And that Rosie sure acted stranger than usual. I wonder what she is on?
I thought the interview was good, and Kelli came off as being a very nice, well-adjusted person. It was a bit strange that she and Rosie weren't shown together, but whatever.
I don't know why all the complaints about Rosie. I think she's being a good role model by leading by example. How many other high-profile gays/lesbians are getting married and putting a face on this issue for middle America?
As Harvey Fierstein has said, if you don't like the role models, then think about being one yourself.
I don't know why all the complaints about Rosie. I think she's being a good role model by leading by example. How many other high-profile gays/lesbians are getting married and putting a face on this issue for middle America?
As Harvey Fierstein has said, if you don't like the role models, then think about being one yourself.
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canmark:
I thought the interview was good, and Kelli came off as being a very nice, well-adjusted person. It was a bit strange that she and Rosie weren't shown together, but whatever.
I don't know why all the complaints about Rosie. I think she's being a good role model by leading by example. How many other high-profile gays/lesbians are getting married and putting a face on this issue for middle America?
As Harvey Fierstein has said, if you don't like the role models, then think about being one yourself.
Thanks for posting that canmark--was thinking of it but didn't want to misquote Fierstein.I thought the interview was good, and Kelli came off as being a very nice, well-adjusted person. It was a bit strange that she and Rosie weren't shown together, but whatever.
I don't know why all the complaints about Rosie. I think she's being a good role model by leading by example. How many other high-profile gays/lesbians are getting married and putting a face on this issue for middle America?
As Harvey Fierstein has said, if you don't like the role models, then think about being one yourself.
This gay king/queen stuff was annoying the hell out of me, particularly the laurels thrown Chad Allen's way. We can all be "role models" in our communities, rather than sitting back and lambasting the folks who do put their opinions out there, like em or not.
Earlier in this thread I mentioned a story on "60 Minutes 2" that focused on a lesbian couple who got married and showed a typical family dinner. Though I admire Rosie O'Donnell (as my original post continued...) I think it is far more important for middle America to see people who aren't necessarily limelight-seekers or celebrities but are, rather, mundane, neighborly sorts with the same quotidian concerns as everybody else.
Coretta Scott King, who knew a bit about role models before the term became popular, once said the true unsung heroes of the civil rights movemnet were those families who moved into the suburbs and did nothing "daring--just joined the local PTAs, took their children to play in the neighborhood parks, did their shopping at the corner store." You know, allayed whatever fears their new neighbors had about their normalcy by merely living their lives. All civil rights movements need the aggressive, shrill rabble-rousers (Rosie....) to help change the laws, but they aren't the ones who change peoples' hearts--that work is done by the unsung role models. Both are vital to the cause.
~Adam
Coretta Scott King, who knew a bit about role models before the term became popular, once said the true unsung heroes of the civil rights movemnet were those families who moved into the suburbs and did nothing "daring--just joined the local PTAs, took their children to play in the neighborhood parks, did their shopping at the corner store." You know, allayed whatever fears their new neighbors had about their normalcy by merely living their lives. All civil rights movements need the aggressive, shrill rabble-rousers (Rosie....) to help change the laws, but they aren't the ones who change peoples' hearts--that work is done by the unsung role models. Both are vital to the cause.
~Adam
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Adam:
Earlier in this thread I mentioned a story on \"60 Minutes 2\" that focused on a lesbian couple who got married and showed a typical family dinner. Though I admire Rosie O'Donnell (as my original post continued...) I think it is far more important for middle America to see people who aren't necessarily limelight-seekers or celebrities but are, rather, mundane, neighborly sorts with the same quotidian concerns as everybody else.
Coretta Scott King, who knew a bit about role models before the term became popular, once said the true unsung heroes of the civil rights movemnet were those families who moved into the suburbs and did nothing \"daring--just joined the local PTAs, took their children to play in the neighborhood parks, did their shopping at the corner store.\" You know, allayed whatever fears their new neighbors had about their normalcy by merely living their lives. All civil rights movements need the aggressive, shrill rabble-rousers (Rosie....) to help change the laws, but they aren't the ones who change peoples' hearts--that work is done by the unsung role models. Both are vital to the cause.
~Adam
Adam, thanks for posting that. You are the voice of reason in this thread. Your post sums up this thread nicely. We could all sit up here and argue whether or not we like Mr. and Mrs. Rosie O Donnell until the cows come home, but that won't do us any good. This is not about awarding a gay role model king or queen. Adam, I am sure your sensible and thought-provoking comments will cause some of the posters in this thread to check themselves. Thanks Adam.
Earlier in this thread I mentioned a story on \"60 Minutes 2\" that focused on a lesbian couple who got married and showed a typical family dinner. Though I admire Rosie O'Donnell (as my original post continued...) I think it is far more important for middle America to see people who aren't necessarily limelight-seekers or celebrities but are, rather, mundane, neighborly sorts with the same quotidian concerns as everybody else.
Coretta Scott King, who knew a bit about role models before the term became popular, once said the true unsung heroes of the civil rights movemnet were those families who moved into the suburbs and did nothing \"daring--just joined the local PTAs, took their children to play in the neighborhood parks, did their shopping at the corner store.\" You know, allayed whatever fears their new neighbors had about their normalcy by merely living their lives. All civil rights movements need the aggressive, shrill rabble-rousers (Rosie....) to help change the laws, but they aren't the ones who change peoples' hearts--that work is done by the unsung role models. Both are vital to the cause.
~Adam
Nascar acts as if everyone was supporting Rosie in this thread to the exclusion of anyone else. It seems to me as if almost everyone will easily agree with Adam's (as always) insightful comments.
Just reading this article on Playbill.com about Rosie & Kellie O'Donnell's gay family cruise. It seems that Esera Tualo (and presumably his partner and their kids) was on the cruise, and he sang at a variety show that Rosie hosted as part of the onboard entertainment.
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canmark:
Just reading this article on Playbill.com about Rosie & Kellie O'Donnell's gay family cruise. It seems that Esera Tualo (and presumably his partner and their kids) was on the cruise, and he sang at a variety show that Rosie hosted as part of the onboard entertainment.
I know someone who went on the cruise and met both Rosie and Esera and said they were extremely friendly and easy-going. I am not into cruising (at least not *that* kind of cruising).
Just reading this article on Playbill.com about Rosie & Kellie O'Donnell's gay family cruise. It seems that Esera Tualo (and presumably his partner and their kids) was on the cruise, and he sang at a variety show that Rosie hosted as part of the onboard entertainment.
I'm speechless.
http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/television_...ials/000761.php
"COULD WE HAVE ASSISTANCE PLEASE ON ROW NUMBER ONE FOR TOILET SEATS? HELLO TOILET SEAT ASSISTANCE ON ROW NUMBER ONE THANK YOU!"
Did anybody see this movie?
http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/television_...ials/000761.php
"COULD WE HAVE ASSISTANCE PLEASE ON ROW NUMBER ONE FOR TOILET SEATS? HELLO TOILET SEAT ASSISTANCE ON ROW NUMBER ONE THANK YOU!"
Did anybody see this movie?
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PatSanFran:
I'm speechless.
http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/television_...ials/000761.php
\"COULD WE HAVE ASSISTANCE PLEASE ON ROW NUMBER ONE FOR TOILET SEATS? HELLO TOILET SEAT ASSISTANCE ON ROW NUMBER ONE THANK YOU!\"
Did anybody see this movie?
that was god awful... not a fan of huge rosie (instead of huge fan) but this was beyond retarded (pun intended)
I'm speechless.
http://www.tvgasm.com/archives/television_...ials/000761.php
\"COULD WE HAVE ASSISTANCE PLEASE ON ROW NUMBER ONE FOR TOILET SEATS? HELLO TOILET SEAT ASSISTANCE ON ROW NUMBER ONE THANK YOU!\"
Did anybody see this movie?
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