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Viacom Hatches Gay Network
Penelope Patsuris, Forbes.com, 01.14.02, 11:39 AM ET

NEW YORK - Ellen, you've come a long way, baby.

When the title character of the ABC sitcom Ellen came out a few years ago, it made front-page news and drove some of the show's advertisers to pull their commercials. Now the Viacom-owned networks MTV and Showtime are developing a gay- and lesbian-themed cable network, hoping to tap into an audience that was, until very recently, taboo with American marketers.


So if a single show couldn't make it, what makes these programming executives think an entire network devoted to this niche audience will fly? \"The economics of this are totally different,\" says Wilkofsky Gruen Associates media economist Arthur Gruen. \"Network shows need ratings of 9 or 10, whereas you don't need anywhere near that kind of audience reach to make a cable network work.\" Most cable channels draw ratings of less than a 1.

Viacom (nyse: VIA.B - news - people) says the gay channel will be supported by a mix of advertising and subscription fees, which may run from $5 to $7 a month. \"Niche audiences are definitely willing to pay for programming that they can't get elsewhere,\" says Gruen. No launch date for the gay network has been scheduled, but Interpublic Group chief of business development Barry Linsky expects there will be an advertising market for it when it does.

\"The public is more accepting of alternative lifestyles,\" he says, \"so marketers are more comfortable reaching out to these markets.\" The NBC (nyse: GE - news - people) hit Will and Grace, for instance, hasn't been lacking for advertisers and has, in fact, become a key draw for the network's Thursday night \"must-see TV\" lineup.

Advertising in alternative lifestyle outlets, which, until this point, has primarily been in magazines like Out and The Advocate, is generally considered another way to reach people that are also part of the mass-market audience, says Linsky. \"But niche advertising is a way for the marketer to demonstrate to the audience that it is attuned to that audience's particular needs.\"

And it's a market well worth catering to. Median income for the households of gay couples is $65,000, compared with a 1999 U.S. median income of $40,800, according to a study by the OpusComm Group in conjunction with Syracuse University's Newhouse School of Public Communications and GSociety. Gay Americans generally have 10% more disposable income than the average American, according to Prime Access, and the population's total spending power is estimated to be $450 billion by Gay Market Express.com. That's less than the country's African-American market, but more than the Hispanic or Asian markets.

This new marketing opportunity presents itself at a time when advertisers have been pulling back on mass-market ad spending and, instead, experimenting by trying to reach more focused targets. Viacom has an excellent track record of launching other successful niche cable networks, like VH1 and Nickelodeon, but this market is much smaller--by orders of magnitude--than the ones for music or children's programming.

Indeed, there are only an estimated 15 million or so gay Americans, so this channel will have a substantially smaller pool of viewers to draw from. And there is, of course, very little gay programming around to recycle as reruns. Showtime's gay-themed series Queer as Folk is actually one of the network's highest-rated programs, but it's unclear how many other gay-oriented shows Viacom has in its library.

So Viacom faces the challenge of building a never-before-cultivated viewership from scratch while keeping programming costs down. Can it work? Stay tuned.
http://www.forbes.com/2002/01/14/0114gay.html

Pulled this off another board...so what do you guys think will be the fate of this network?
bobby78751
Subscription based, eh? I don't know if there will be enough subscribers for it to stay afloat.
Joe in Philly
The fact that the article was written in January 2002 -- just look at the date at the beginning, or in the link itself -- should give you an idea of how this venture is going.
batboy
Wasn't this discussed awhile back when it first was brought up? This was at the height of "Queer As Folk" and it was supposed to be 24 hour programming for gays, mixing some original programming with reruns of shows like "Will & Grace."

I think the backers behind this is still trying to develop this channel but is probably facing financial issues. And HBO and Bravo have taken the lead by bringing in a lot of gay-friendly shows so that people wonder if a 24-hour channel is really necessary.

Anywho, I think Canada has a gay channel. Not sure how successful it is. You don't hear too much about their original programming.

Still a wait and see period for many of us.
canmark
There was a thread about this which was started way back in January, 2002.

Apparently, Viacom's plan for a gay channel (called Outlet) have been on again-off again. Put on the back burner as of last summer, the idea is apparently back on again.

The Canadian gay channel Pridevision is still in existence. A link on their website says that they're coming out soon in the USA.

2003 article on Pridevision from Toronto gay paper Xtra!

Now here's the sports connection: Pridevision is owned by Headline Media Group, which also owns The Score, Canada's #3 sports channel. Now if they could just combine the gay channel and the sports channel... that would be a dream come true.

[ March 30, 2004, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: canmark ]
aquaman
I'd pay $5-7/month for this. Heck, I probably already spend $10/month at Blockbuster on DVDs like "Beautiful Thing" and other mainstream gay titles. I think it's a cool idea - I only hope my cable system will carry it.
Jorel
I just wonder how they'll fill all the time slots. You can only show Maurice so many times.

All of the other non-movie shows, like Ellen, Queer as Folk, Will & Grace, "L" Word, Six Feet Under, etc. already belong to a network.
ursaminorjim
Golly, I just love being a target market!
igortvi
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Joe in Philly:
The fact that the article was written in January 2002 -- just look at the date at the beginning, or in the link itself -- should give you an idea of how this venture is going.
I posted this because there was a newer but vague article on Yahoo News yesterday.
Joe in Philly
This might be from what you read. It's an AP article on the Baltimore Sun website about Viacom's launching of VH1 Latin America in Mexico City...

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Redstone also said Tuesday that he has been in discussions with U.S. cable operators about the possibility of launching a gay and lesbian channel. He called the would-be network \"a good channel for them, and a good channel for Viacom.\"

\"We are prepared to give it a go, and I'm optimistic about it,\" he said, adding that \"there's no reason why we shouldn't aspire to reach such an enormous demographic, not only in the United States, but in the world.\"

Redstone, 80, is worth $8.9 billion and is the world's 35th richest man, according to Forbes Magazine.

He brushed off concerns a channel geared toward homosexuals could be opposed by some conservative and religious groups in the United States.

\"The channel will succeed, I believe,\" he said. \"And we will not be deterred by nay-sayers.\"
bobby78751
Here! is almost...here.
CNN Story
canmark
Here's the website of Here! TV The home page says "Sponsored by OUT and The Advocate," so I guess it's legit. It seems to be pay-per-view, though.

[ April 20, 2004, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: canmark ]
DallasUNC
Here! has been here for quite a while already. It is a pay per view movie channel showing gay themed/ campy movies. Theyve basically shown the same 5 or 6 movies, rotating them every month. I dont care to pay $3.99 to watch Brotherhood 2.
RGMike
Reviving this thread because Viacom has revived their interest in a gay cable channel, called Logo:

But what will LOGO's logo be?

[ May 25, 2004, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: RGMike ]
ursaminorjim
They're calling it LOGO now? Kee-rist. I mean, I know it's just seen by Viacom as a cash cow for an untapped demographic, but that just isn't subtle at all.

Anyway, I'll pass. It's enough work avoiding reruns of Will & Grace on regular TV as it is.

However, if they can somehow digitally edit all the old episodes of The Hollywood Squares so that every square is occupied by Paul Lynde (okay...Waylon Flowers and Madam can have the lower-left corner) - I'm in.

[ May 25, 2004, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]
fantomas
I say, if MTV's behind it, they'll make it work, ensure it's lively, probably try to make it diverse, and come up with something that draws in millions of viewers.

But the homophobes are already drawing their knives, talking about boycotts and other such things. They make the Taliban look like amateurs, these creeps. They've even got a reparative type working for them, no less!

NY Times: MTV planning to start gay channel next year

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MTV Networks announced today that after a long delay, it intends to start the first cable television channel directed specifically at gay viewers. The channel, to make its debut Feb. 17, will be called \"Logo.\"\"

Tom Freston, the chairman of MTV Networks, said, \"We are very proud that we are launching this bold new network,\" which he said will aim to reach \"lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender viewers.\" He emphasized the channel will be based in entertainment and not \"sex and sexuality.\"

Asked if he expected the channel to draw protest from religious groups, Mr. Freston said, \"We know some people are uncomfortable with the concept of a gay and lesbian community, period.\" But he cited polls that he said indicated increasing levels of tolerance and acceptability for gay people. \"We don't expect any huge backlash,\" Mr. Freston said.

But already today, conservative groups expressed outrage and promised action to try to shut the channel down. The Rev. Louis Sheldon, the head of the Traditional Families Coalition, called the idea \"bad news for American families\" that will lead to moral anarchy.

Mr. Sheldon said he called other heads of religious groups and they have agreed to mount a massive campaign to boycott all advertisers who sponsor the channel. \"Madison Avenue has gone amok,\" Mr. Sheldon said. \"They don't realize they've awakened the sleeping giant.\"


[ May 25, 2004, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
HornFan
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However, if they can somehow digitally edit all the old episodes of The Hollywood Squares so that every square is occupied by Paul Lynde (okay...Waylon Flowers and Madam can have the lower-left corner) - I'm in.
That is SO such a GREAT IDEA! biggrin.gif
DCBucky
Focus on the Family f**k Mike Halley is "worried that the network would encourage young people to think of themselves as gay, just as he said he did for 12 years" (so that's how it works??)

"You have a kid who is looking to fit in, and here you have a network that looks very inviting, very accepting, and this young kid is going to get a false representation of what homosexuality has to offer," Mr. Haley said. "I really am sad and fearful for these kids who are going to want to be as happy and as happy-go-lucky as Will is on 'Will & Grace.' "

Heaven forbid anyone's happy or happy-go-lucky. sad.gif

This makes me happy: Logo has picked Whatever Happened to Baby Jane for their movie line-up. "But you are, Blanche, you are in that chair!"
BPT-336
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Jim:
However, if they can somehow digitally edit all the old episodes of The Hollywood Squares so that every square is occupied by Paul Lynde (okay...Waylon Flowers and Madam can have the lower-left corner) - I'm in.
What!?!? eek! No Jim J. Bullock?!?!?! :confused: WTF tongue.gif
ursaminorjim
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BPT336:
What!?!? eek! No Jim J. Bullock?!?!?! :confused: WTF tongue.gif
Whoops! Took leave of my senses there. Jm J. Bullock ("there is no 'i' in Jm!") gets the middle square on the right hand column. Better?
Joe in Philly
From an item in today's Phila. Daily News...in their gossip pages, actually:

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\"We're excited,\" said Joan Garry, executive director of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. \"Cable television is about niche programming and our niche has been conspicuously absent for a long, long time.\"

What? What about \"Queer as Folk,\" \"The L-Word,\" \"Queer Eye for the Straight Guy,\" \"Will & Grace,\" \"Sex and the City\" and \"Frasier\"?

If you want \"conspicuously absent,\" try being Asian or Hispanic or African-American or... homely.
Joe in Philly
An update on Logo: new projects from Cher, Alan Cumming, and....brrrrr....a reality series on an ocean-liner cruise, hosted by Kathy Griffin.
danimal
Et maintenant ... (cue up Edith Piaf):
France Starts Gay TV Channel PinkTV

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The channel launches Oct. 25 on cable and satellite. Subscription will cost $11 a month.

Britain already has two channels on the Sky Digital platform — GayDate TV, a teleshopping channel targeting the gay community, and GayTV, a late-night soft-core porn channel. And Sweden has gay-friendly programming.

But Pink is the first nationally broadcast gay channel of its kind, said its founder and president, Pascal Houzelot. Pink is aiming for at least 180,000 subscribers. Houzelot said he expects half the audience will be in the Paris region.
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Aside from daily doses of Wonder Woman and Japanese \"manga\" cartoons, Pink plans to broadcast movies, documentaries, music programs, experimental video and series including \"Queer as Folk.\"

There'll be debates Mondays on homophobia, gay unions, gay parenthood and other topics, a chat show Thursdays, and X-rated films four nights a week after midnight. The actors will wear condoms.
theodoresdaddy
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Joe in Philly:
An update on Logo: new projects from Cher, Alan Cumming, and....brrrrr....a reality series on an ocean-liner cruise, hosted by Kathy Griffin.
it won't get past the pilot stage--too many of the people on the boat will be throwing themselves overboard to get away from her!
Joe in Philly
Wouldn't they be better off throwing her off the boat? wink

Besides, isn't she too old for LOGO? tongue.gif

[ September 29, 2004, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]
canmark
I just came across the website for the Q Television network. Seems like it may only be broadcasting in San Francisco at present. Has anybody seen it?
canmark
What's happening with Logo TV? The gay channel produced by Viacom (MTV, VH1, Showtime, CBC, etc.) is supposed to launch on February 17, 2005... little more than a month away, yet there seems to be no hype, no news, and the website remains the same as it has been for months.
Joe in Philly
I was wondering that myself after it was mentioned in Out magazine's year-end issue featuring the Out 100 -- the list that Cyd and Jim should be on, dammit! wink
fantomas
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danimal:
Et maintenant ... (cue up Edith Piaf):
France Starts Gay TV Channel PinkTV
Tres merveilleux! And given how many good and sometimes wild LGBT French flicks there are, as well as French hotties, this would definitely be a station to catch.
canmark
What timing. An article from yesterday's Newsday on the gay cable channels.

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On a cable TV channel called here!, shows range from a gay parenting series and a holiday drama about a teenager's two gay dads to a romantic comedy about lesbian monogamy set in San Francisco and a farce about gay mobster roommates in New York City.

On the planned Logo channel, a series produced by Cher and Chastity Bono will feature coming-out stories of celebrities and newsmakers, while reality fare will focus on gay cops in New York City, gay ocean-liner cruises and dream weddings for gay couples.

Despite a national mood divided on issues such as same-sex marriage, gay TV is about to proliferate.
An article from Southern Voice.
Chill-Trick
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Jim:
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BPT336:
What!?!? eek! No Jim J. Bullock?!?!?! :confused: WTF tongue.gif
Whoops! Took leave of my senses there. Jm J. Bullock (\"there is no 'i' in Jm!\") gets the middle square on the right hand column. Better?
uh...hello.....Did we forget Bruce Villanch??? smile.gif
gamecock
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canmark:
An article from yesterday's Newsday on the gay cable channels.

On a cable TV channel called here!, shows range from a gay parenting series and a holiday drama about a teenager's two gay dads to a romantic comedy about lesbian monogamy set in San Francisco and a farce about gay mobster roommates in New York City.
Based upon the limited info I've read thus far, I'm optimistic about the overall quality of the programming that will be featured on LOGO....I've watched quite a few movies on Here! as part of my DirecTV package (channel 190) and, for the most part, have been highly disappointed -- including a film I saw last week called Luster that has to be one of the worst gay-themed movies ever made....considering the horrendous acting and poor script it's not surprising that not a single one of the six "stars" of that film have appeared in any other movie in the 2-3 years since it was released (at least according to IMDB.com anyway).

In either event, hopefully the launch of LOGO next month will provide programming that the GLBT community can be proud of....they appear to be comprised with an experienced management team which should enable LOGO to avoid many of the pitfalls and growing pains during their initial years of operation (which any start-up venture will encounter to varying degrees) that Pridevision has apparently struggled through in Canada.

~Joe
DCBucky
The launch of LOGO has been postponed again -- this time to June 30 -- they say they won't have enough programming to go 24/7 until then. The major advertisers they've lined up are Subaru, Orbitz and Paramount.

btw -- one of documentaries to be aired will feature a gay rugby team playing in a dominantly straight league. Anyone know which team, where??

Quote: "It's kind of a cliché but they haven't won a game in their first two years. But they're getting better. I'm hoping for a kind of 'Bad News Bears' thing to happen."

Link to NYTimes story -- reg. req.
Joe in Philly
While we're waiting for Logo, Comcast has added programming from the Here! cable network to their On Demand service. For $3.99 per program you can watch something from Here!
Thom
Here's the problem I have with gay programming. I rarely ever see gay male characters I find attractive. About the only one I can think of is the cop on 6 feet under. The male characters are often too efiminate, too nerdy, too neutered, too weak etc.... Meanwhile the lesbians are so damn hot at times I wonder if I'm straight or maybe just want to be a lesbian. I was thinking about this point watching a bit of the L-word between the commercials of one of the NCAA b-ball games the other day. Still the dialogue on the L-word is not the greatest and I still find it cheesy. Still could you imagine a program filled with sexy studly gay men? What would the insecure striaght man do?

I found the british "Queer as folk" to be a lot closer to my liking then any american program. I watched several CDs and in many ways I felt they captured some of what my 20s were like. It was not filled with studs by any means but there were a few characters with whom I could identify. Don't ask me why, but I found the American version, which is basically the same plot impossible to watch. Maybe it was the dialogue. Maybe it was the subtle changes. A cute boyish character on the brittish show becomes an effiminate sluttly character on the American. The horny pig on the brittish version was a bit more three dimensional than the american version.

So if I am a tarket, and I don't believe I am alone in my opinion, then they may want to shrink the potential client base.

[ April 08, 2005, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: Thom ]
sportinlife
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I wonder if I'm straight or maybe just want to be a lesbian.
LOL biggrin.gif I was watching the second CD of this documentary about homosexuality among Hasidic Jews and thought the same thing. One was so cheerful and pragmatic she reminded me of my sister BEFORE she became a Jehovah's Witness. Two others brought me to tears when they met an older Hasidic lesbian couple who had been together for over 30 years. Fortunately everytime I saw hot Rabbi Stephen Greenberg I realized that lesbian I could NOT be.

BTW: That documentary: "Trembling Before G-d" is one of the many arguements for why a gay network could be so powerful. The impact it has had among Hasidic Jews must be significant. Even if it never changes doctrine, it has probably saved lives.

[ April 08, 2005, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: sportinlife ]
chuckvanc
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DCBucky:


btw -- one of documentaries to be aired will feature a gay rugby team playing in a dominantly straight league. Anyone know which team, where??

Don't know about the documentary, but we have a team, Rogues Rugby, in Vanc. B.C. that plays on a straight league. I've even seen their recruiting posters up at one of our Institutes of technology (and a darn cute rugby player on the the poster it was...)
canmark
Canada's PrideVision has now divided itself in two: OutTV and PrideVision--which is now Hard TV, all adult programming. OutTV is on a free preview now, and I must say it is disappointing. It's like there are 3 shows repeating over and over. A travelogue, a newsmagazine, etc.

Last night I watched a newsmagazine program called Shout, featuring a (clothed) interview with (porn star) Ken Ryker, and Carole Pope singing at Winnipeg Pride. It looked like a re-run.

They need to improve their programming if they want people to watch, esp. during the free preview period.

[ April 21, 2005, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: canmark ]
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