This is one of my fave shows. Did anyone else see it last evening? Those bastards played an evil trick at the opening of the show. Still, I swear, it is one of the best-written shows on TV -- with one of the most tormented casts in history.

Hi Bobby,

I enjoy this show although I can't say it's one of my MUST SEE programming. Still, it's interesting.

I really love the actor who plays Colin, he is so handsome and charming, and he will definitely be missed in the show, you know, now that he's all dead and all.

I have to say I'm getting tired of the son of Trent Williams' character always being angry at his dad. Enough already, we get it, teen-age angst, blame it on the father, blah blah blah. Let's move on already, stop being so angry!

Speaking of the son, remember his piano teacher last season? OOooh, major hottie. I love the musical instructors on TV. Remember the hottie on Party of Five? Anyway, too bad the piano teacher had to be a scum and fall in love with a teenage girl!

Oh, and another hottie was the guy from last season who was the traveling husband for Trent Williams' next door neighbor. (OK, told you I'm not the NO. 1 fan since I can't remember most of the character's name.) Anyway, her husband was my type, and now he's in the family after it was discovered he was getting some boner on the side while on his travels. Those traveling straight married men, you can always count on them for a good fling!

OK, enough obsessing about the past. Hopefully this season will get some major hottie action introduced into the show.

Two words about last night's episode: Shirtless. Bright.

Batboy: The actor who played Carl (the closeted husband next door) is now one of the leads on Nip/Tuck, so it seems unlikely we'll be seeing much more than a guest appearance from him on Everwood, if that. But you can watch him every week on N/T on FX.

Glad to hear there are more fans of the show around here, Bobby....As I mentioned in the new tv season thread last week (in response to danimal's positive comments about the show) Everwood has been one of my favorites since I stumbled across it early last season....while last night's show was not one of its best IMHO the consistently superb writing (which is somewhat surprising for a show on WB) is what initially got my attention and turned me into a huge fan.

As for the cliffhanger, even though Colin's fate following the surgery did not come as a surprise (particularly since actor Mike Erwin, who effectively came across as a cute high schooler despite being 25 in real life, has been in pre-production to star in the new comedy series "Trash" since Everwood ended last season) I was caught a little offguard by the opening scenes until it was revealed to be a flashback....that was kind of a nasty trick to play upon the viewers emotions, though, who were clearly huge fans of Mike Erwin's, which is the reason why his character became a regular last season after initially only scheduled to appear in a couple of episodes.

Despite some disappointment with last night's premiere I am hoping for another stellar season, particularly now that TV Guide and many of the entertainment "experts" have finally begun to heap praise upon this "sleeper" show....while the cast of ensemble young actors are all quite talented and should have long, successful careers ahead of them, there is no question that Treat Williams (along with his medical colleagues) carries the show as his depth of acting experience shines through week after week.

[ September 16, 2003, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: gamecock ]

Toward the end of last season, Efram's anger toward Andy started to subside once Efram found out that his dad hadn't been cheating on his mom before her death -- she had been cheating on him. And then last night, Amy was angry at Andy...hell, the whole freakin' town was angry at Andy over the death of their all-American stud boy. I suspect Brite (who hasn't really dealt with the death) will be brought more into the forefront now that Colin is ashes to ashes, dust to dust. This is going to be another good season. I'm still sad that Colin had to die.

Thanks dwb56. I actually do watch Nip/Tuck. That's another interesting show. The production value is pretty cool. And of course, there is just so much gratuituos sex!

And speaking of hunks that shows up in other shows.... Anyone used to watch "Philly" that short-lived ABC drama from Bocho about a public defender in Philadelphia? Well, remember at the end the lead character got involved with that hunky judge with the salt-and-pepper hair? Sigh, he is so handsome. Anyway, he's now the lead in Threat Matrix, the new show on ABC Thursday nights. I'm definitely going to tune in for that eye candy.

Yeah, they had a major reconciliation at the end of that episode ... and a fight in the next one, when they were both being pigheaded, but they made up after that. And in the season finale, Andy told Ephram the real reason for the move. They fight because they're both strong-willed and stubborn, but they're basically on the same side (to the point that this week Ephram was basically challenging Andy to stand up for himself).

Besides, in a recent interview with Entertainment Weekly, series creator Greg Berlanti said of an upcoming plot twist, "We think that'll be really fun for all the men and women who consider Ephram their jailbait boyfriend." wink

As for Bright, I hope we see more of him, because he has a wide emotional range (and looks really cute in swim trunks, hehe). He's tough but sensitive -- and the king of (seemingly) unintentionally homoerotic comic lines. wink

Actually, what really keeps me watching this show is that it's full of characters I find myself caring about, if not at first (Bright, for example), then later. Colin's death packed a punch because viewers got to know him enough to care (even when he was being a jerk, which he was sometimes) about his fate.

(What, me, obsessed? What makes you think that? )

[ September 19, 2003, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]

Anybody else have any thoughts on this week's episode? I thought Chris Pratt (as Bright) stole the show, first with his shameless reaction to the cheerleaders (or at least how cute he looked while practically drooling, then grimacing at the fall), then with his refusing to exploit his best bud's death to get back on the football team (and kudos to him and the coach agreeing with the rule even though they hate the result, rather than wanting to be exempt just to win) ... and then showing his dad who, frankly, is the mature one in the family. I'm really liking the character's depth (and the actor's expressiveness). :cool:

In real life, would a kid like this really have a shot at Division I? No, unless the scouts have been watching him already, and there's no sign they were. But he might make Division II or III, if he got his grades back up, and as a doctor's son, he wouldn't need the full ride anyway.

What bugs me is his dad stereotyping him as "not smart enough" because he's not book-smart like his sister. Yo, pops! Accept the kid for who he is already. :mad: eek! Oh wait, it's TV. Silly me.

[ October 01, 2003, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: danimal ]

So I guess Everwood has a break. But in the meantime, anyone else developing a crush for Dr. Abbott? Or is it just me? I've always found the actor to be cute in a nerdy way. But lately since he's been more of a goofball, he's been more endearing. And in the most recent episode at the wedding when he was dancing with his wife, he had some nice moves and a really nice body. Sigh.

And then of course there's Bright. I'm finding his character more and more appealing now that he's not such a thug anymore. And it's nice to see he's becoming friends with Ephram. Unfortunately, I haven't seen much growth in Ephram's character, as opposed to Bright.

On a side note, did anyone else notice the weird root issues with Amy's hair? Made her look so old.

Dr. Abbott...attractive??? I guess to each his own.
Yes, the development of Bright's character is amazing -- the best thing for Bright was for Colin to die. I still miss Colin's moodiness, but it's great to see Bright shine. I also have a great deal of empathy for Bright because not only has his father branded him an idiot in front of the family, but he has to live with the fact that he contributed to his best friend's death.

Speaking of the break, there's been some speculation on the message boards about why an episode from last season was picked for the "bye" week. The most plausible guess might be right up our alley.

The wedding episode (before the break) included a scene of Ephram saying the upside of failing his driver's test the first time was that it "gave me more quality time with Bright" ... and a later scene where Bright, talking with Amy about her feelings for Ephram, says, "Damn, maybe I should ask him out." wink

Well ... the rerun includes a scene where Bright asks Ephram to double with him on a date to the big dance (so Bright's date's father will let her go). After Ephram sees Bright rehearsing the conversation, Bright brings up the dance and asks, "You wanna go?" Ephram says, "With you?" Bright explains the situation and, when asked about the other girl, says, "She's related to Gemma. She's gotta be hot." Without a blink, Ephram replies, "You're related to Amy. You're not hot." wink

Au contraire, Ephram!

[ March 31, 2004, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]

I don't seem to watch the show this fall as much as I did last year. Last year it was on Saturday night at 7PM up here, and even if I was going out I always seemed to watch it.

I like the show. I agree that the teenage son needs to get over the anger, but it's a great cast.

One of my favorite characters is the mother of the snooty doctor across the street, who last year worked for the Treat Williams character. Somehow I think we'ed all lost a Tequila drinking contest with that one.

And what do I say about Treat Williams. Over the past 10 years he's done a lot of work up here for the CBC, and has established himself as a fine actor.

Plus I think he is one cuddly hot man!!!

Ah yes, Nurse Edna. She still works for Treat's character and has made brief appearances in several episodes (including the one with Beau Bridges and James Earl Jones as guest stars), plus a major role in the episode involving the snooty doctor's family feuds (which included flashbacks where a younger Edna was played by Claudia Christian, a.k.a. Ivanova on Babylon 5).

Mike Erwin's been in a few dream scenes this season (one of which was ambiguously ominous), and if WB trailers can be believed (they've been known to throw curve balls), he's in next week's episode of One Tree Hill as a very bad boy (much like his guest spot last year on Do Over).

[ November 05, 2003, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]

I just finally saw the most recent episode about the mining accident.

So wasn't that weird about Marcia Cross' character not wanting to give blood. Later on she tells her brother, Dr. Abbott, that she's been in Africa and she may have exposed herself to hepatitis.

What do you think the writers are planning to go with that storyline? Do you think they might make her have AIDS? That's the only other thing I can think of that can be transmitted via blood and the writers are gay so that may be their way of introducing the issue into a mainstream show. (Although I'm so tired of the straight woman getting AIDS story, so in the back of my mind I hope it's not this.) But still, seems strange and I don't believe her about her hepatitis concern.

I've heard rumors that she's HIV-positive, probably from something related to her medical work in Third World countries, and that this is the real reason for her coming home (and for her lack of interest in dating). If this is true, it's likely to surface in the next few weeks, during the November ratings sweeps. (After Thanksgiving, expect reruns until after New Year's.)

[quote]danimal:
[/quote]I've heard rumors that she's HIV-positive, probably from something related to her medical work in Third World countries, and that this is the real reason for her coming home (and for her lack of interest in dating). If this is true, it's likely to surface in the next few weeks, during the November ratings sweeps. (After Thanksgiving, expect reruns until after New Year's.)[/QUOTE]

If that's true, I'd be disappointed. That story line, as I mentioned earlier, is so tired of having the straight woman carry the AIDS flame of tolerance. And why be so secretive and in the closet about it? She should be taking medications to keep the virus under control.

Sigh, it's also so unrealistic. I know AIDS is rapant in Africa, but it's still very hard for a woman to get the disease unless she's had unprotected sex. I can't believe an educated doctor in Africa would have sex without a condom. How irresponsible!!

OK, I'm going to wait and see how this unfolds. If this is AIDS, I'm going to be so fuming with the storyline! :mad: Greg Bertalanti will have to do some major finessing to make it interesting and relevant to today!

[ November 10, 2003, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: batboy ]

How about HIV?

To me, HIV is equivalent to AIDS. (Before anyone starts posting medical comments, I'm well aware of the difference. I'm talking in terms of how society views this.) So even if it turns out she has the HIV virus (that causes AIDS), to me, that's the same ole story line of some straight woman who "unfortunately" contracts the virus. I mean, PUH-lease, outside of Africa, how many women are contracting the HIV virus? OK, I may be naive, but I just feel it's Hollywood's safe way of dealing with HIV as a storyline. It would have been more interesting if the some gay guy moved into town and he's living positively with HIV and how the small town people react.

(OK, I'm getting ahead of myself again. Let's wait and watch.)

Or unless she was a health care worker in a rural environment where (insane as this may sound to us) syringes are sometimes reused because there aren't enough new ones, gloves aren't always used (same reason), and accidental punctures occur. I'm not ruling out sexual transmission, but let's not assume that the conditions we know apply everywhere.

If she's infected, the story is going to be how she's received by her family and hometown when they find out, and how her evolving condition affects them. How she "got it" might not change that as much as we think.

Well, just when Everwood could not possibly get more dperessing, Efram ends up getting jilted, Amy goes off the deep end, Dr. Brown betrays his daughter, and Ms. Doctor Abbott has HIV. Where was Bright to...um...lighten things up?

[ November 12, 2003, 05:40 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

Chris Pratt had the week off and was in Hawaii (I read it on the Internet so it must be true!). And Ephram got that slag back in his own way. But, yeah, the rest of it was grim. Well, grim for the WB...

I KNEW IT!! wink

Geesh, I missed this Monday's episode but I'm definitely going to watch it on the WB's "Big sunday," or whatever they call it. But did they say how she got HIV??? Did she actually tell that to anyone or was it just revealed to the TV audience? I still think it's an old storyline to do, but will give it a chance to see if the writers develop it in a more modern way and not the typical, oh, hide the secret about HIV because the small town folks won't understand.

She told her mother after her mom was pressing her about not allowing herself to get closer to Andy. I think her boyfriend gave it to her because she alluded to the fact that he died while they were in Africa. Stay tuned. BTW, Easy View sucks this year because they keep rotating Everwood with that awful Tarzan on Sundays...I totally missed out last week because I didn't see the Monday episode then it never aired on Easy View.

I think it's irresponsible to have a storyline where a woman gets HIV from unprotected sex. I know, it happens, but I just feel shows should be responsible and depict people using a condom or talking about using a condom. Just my two cents and a half.

Yet another good episode last night. It was good to see Paul Wasilewski (formerly Lucas Luthor on "Smallville") back on The WB. He is scheduled for at least the next two episodes as his relationship with Amy grows. At least things are getting explained about how Linda contracted the HIV -- she got it from blood contamination. While holding an HIV-positve, blood-soaked baby the virus entered her bloodstream thru an open cut on her arm.

[ November 18, 2003, 06:41 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

I agree that the mysterious Tom guy from the drug store is hot and will add to an interesting storyline with Amy's spiral.

As for the HIV storyline with Linda Abbott, I'm a bit relieved that the writers didn't end up saying she got the virus from unprotected sex in Africa. That would be irresponsible.

But to avoid that, they went with a way that is extremely extremely rare. In order for her to have blood contamination from an open wound, her open wound needed to be really big and deep, cutting through her skin. Generally, when you have such a big open wound, it's hard for things to come in because what's happening is your blood is gushing OUT. So it seems hard to believe that IF she had such a big open wound, that she wouldn't have felt it and wouldn't have been more careful. She said that when she saw the child with bleeding sores, that she knew why people abandoned him. And he would have had to have bleeding sores all over his body in order for his blood to ooze into her open sore.

But hey, this is Hollywood so they can make anything up. I just hope it doesn't create unwarranted fears among people from hugging HIV positive people. The open sore transmissions are so low, if not rare.

By the way, Treat Williams has a pretty voice huh?

Treat Williams has a great voice. Rent "Hair" if you want to see him as the lead in a musical.

More homoerotic banter from Bright ("huddle up"), not to mention a full on karaoke performance of "Independent Woman" by Destiny's Child, and cockblocking Madison from Efram on the sofa.

Maybe they are going to make his character gay after all.

From your lips to God's ear, jaydee. Or at least Greg Berlanti's...

I just hope they don't get us all-too-comfortable with Bright (as I am finding myself that way more and more every week), then uproot him from the show next year by sending him off to college -- it was bad enough they took Colin from us, not Bright, too! I think dumbing him down the way the writers did earlier this season will keep him in Everwood next year.

My guess is that Bright will commute to community college for a year or two, then transfer to a four-year school. How they'll keep everybody visible without doing the Dawson's Creek long-distance thing is anybody's guess.

I've heard rumblings (from somewhere I forget) that Berlanti wanted to make a non-throwaway character on the show gay but the network resisted, so our consolation prize is all the "HoYay" (homoerotic subtext) this season. My hope is that "a player to be named later" will come out in Season 3.

Meanwhile, check out this transcript of a chat with Chris Pratt from E!Online. Note the relative nonchalance:

How do people come up with these made-up words?

The E! site had a link to the definition

I thought Amy gave an amazing speech last night before running upstairs not to be seen again. And poor Delia at the end...she looks like she wanted to shove a tree up someone's ass when Andy and Linda were kissing. And, yes, the brown word almost made it on air, again, when Efram said "That's bullsh..." I guess the next new episode will be sometime between Turkey Day and Christmas...we will then know the fate of Amy. However, we might not see another new episode until 2004 because Tommy's (Paul Wasilewski) next (and final!) airdate is Monday, Jan. 12. Since he is such an important character right now, I don't think they'd have an episode without him it in. Next week's episode is the repeat where Madison is hired and I think that's the episode where Amy sees Colin in her dream for the last time.

What? Is the Tom character leaving??? Sigh, I hope they decide to keep him in. He's such a hunk. No way is he 17 though. (I bet he's 21 in real life.)

I thought Treat Williams was such a great dad last night, handled everything so perfectly. He's so cuddly.

I'm so tired of the angry child bit. Delia, wake up! She looks like some possessed child! Don't put any sharp objects around her!

I actually felt bad for Dr. Abbott last night. Betty White really was giving it to him.

When Efram was telling Madison he only has two friends and one of them was her, I assume the other is Bright? Wonder how he's going to react to Efram and Madison "coming out" with their dating.

Bright needs some more depression in his life like everyone else on the show.

I never thought Betty White could be such a total bitch. BTW, she's not scheduled to be on the show again in the near future.

Based on last season, the next new episode will be after New Year's. The first two weeks of December (which is as far as the WGN online schedule goes) are reruns, but the networks tend to write off December with holiday specials and reruns.

Too bad Tommy's (apparently) a short-timer -- I like him a lot! Maybe they're setting up Amy for more downward spiral. (I hear she ends up at Grandma Edna's, but for how long, and then what?)

I think that Amy's been on that slippery sloap downward ever since Colin died in episode one of this season. As far as the next episode, I think the WB shows usually do one new episode at some point between Thanksgiving and the New Year...like the 2nd week in December. I hope so, I can't stand going 7 weeks without a new episode!

[ November 27, 2003, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

I saw the commercial clip of her between Christmas trees or something. She looked like Satan!

Yes, that's when Andy and Linda were kissing. GEEZ! As evil as Delia looked, I think the title of most-likely-to-wipe-out-their-school has now been passed from Ephram to Delia.

According to reports on the fan message boards, that's the next new episode.

Oh, and they started the reruns with the first episode containing "Madison Poppins" so I think we'll get a rehash of the Ephram/Madison soap opera until the new eps start.

Well, it looks like Paul Wasilewski (Tommy) is going to be on tonight and next Monday night's episodes.

I thought it was funny last week when Andy said that he is afraid of demonic Delia. I would be, too, with some of the looks she can give.

So, who saw last night's powerful episode? Since this show is good at following thru with unresolved stories, I think we will probably see bulimic wrestler boy on a future episode.

I agree, Bobby, that based upon last night's episode I'm sure we will see "bulimic wrestler boy" again....btw, the high school wrestler was played by the real-life brother of Gregory Smith (Ephram) who apparently was making his acting debut.

I was glad to see Paul Wasilewski (Tommy) again, especially the scene where he beat the crap out of Bright ....it looks like the producers are "laying the groundwork" to make Tommy a recurring character, probably due to positive viewer response as was the case with Colin (Mike Erwin) last season.

Gah... I so wish Everwood would get rid of the MEOWs (Medical Emergencies of the Week). Or at least cut back on them, or give them more of a story arc instead of just being a one-off.

In other news, Bright is totally My TV Boyfriend.

Hummm....I like how Bright beat the crap out of Tommy. I guess it depends on your perspective. According to imdb.com, next week is Tommy's final week. My prediction, Tommy falls back (if he's not ready) into dealing drugs. He works in a drug store for goodness sake! Isn't that like Michael Jackson working in a day care?! eek!

I don't watch Everwood as much as I would like due to scheduling conflicts, but I will say one thing.

Of all the TV actors out there, Treat Williams is one of the yummiest.

He did a couple of Canadian series in the early 90's, and is actually a very good actor.

But the crowning glory is that butt of his.!!

Actually not his debut (see bio from TV Tome), but yeah, that's Douglas Smith.

And I agree w/dwb about the MEOWs ... but we might have to fight over Bright (unless he's willing to "share" hehe wink ). Actually, I thought Bright was the one getting in Tommy's face, not the other way around ... but he was venting years of pent-up resentment toward Amy (who, I think, is using Tommy to spite her parents). And he nailed Amy (no, not like that ... eww) with the "It's Colin all over again!" line.

As for Tommy, he claimed he never did meth, just booze and pot, and he's only a cashier at the drugstore (not working in the pharmacy) ... but he did get kicked out of school for arson, so he's far from innocent. But if the "next week on" blurb is accurate (they aren't always), his fight with Amy is about her going to his place uninvited (gee, imagine Amy having boundary issues ... again!). My guess is Tommy's mom's in the trailer boozing 24/7, and his dad's on the road all the time, so the place is a pit he doesn't want anyone to see. And he'll either get sick of Amy's drama or get sucked back into his own.

Really outside possibility: Tommy could commit (or attempt) suicide for reasons unrelated to Amy (or get killed or run out of town in a fight with mom's boyfriend), leaving Amy a "widow" twice. Over the top, but it could happen.

[ January 27, 2004, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]

I'll share Bright, Dan, but only if you can bring me the low-rise jeans of that Madison broad. Hands off the jailbait, sister!

When it comes to depressing storylines, nothing is over the top for this show. As for Bright's "It's Colin all over again", that could be some eerie foreshadowing...if so, danimal deserves somes props for intuitiveness.

Finally saw a tape of the show last night. All I can say is "hola, Mr. hunky spanish teacher." He was cute.

And I tried all night to catch a glimpse of Treat Williams butt but couldn't. So I'm going to have to take your word that it's that good.