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Allen
Yesterday, I watched Super Size Me!, the documentary about one guy going on a McDonalds binge for 30 days and all of his meals (morning, noon and night) came from McDonalds.

I was amazed by what I saw. Here's this relatively attractive male and you watch him go through eating McDonalds food and slowly his energy decreases, his libido isn't up to snuff (courtesy of his vegan girlfriend's comment), his moods shifted on a dime.

At the end, he gained 25 lbs (about 7% bodyfat).

This was a completely fascninating documentary. I strongly suggest all of you sports nuts to see this movie. The Slate wrote an outstanding article about the documentary.

Side notes: I saw this movie in Uptown in Minneapolis. Across the street from the movie theatre is a ... you guessed it - a McDonalds!!

There was an overweight woman sitting a few seats away from me. Right in the middle of the movie, she grabs her large Coke, her large popcorn, her Kate Spade bag and stormed out of the theatre. I wonder what she was thinking. Hmm ...

[ May 17, 2004, 07:35 AM: Message edited by: Allen ]
bobby78751
Didn't he also end up with liver problems after his doctors ordered him to stop in week 3? He ignored his doctor's order. Idiot. Isn't it funny how McDonald's has said they will no longer offer the super size after this summer?
Allen
Well, it is pretty idiotic that he continued, but when you are doing an experiment, you want to know the outcome after a certain amount of allotted days. He did it. His liver was like ... okay, when some people go on huge drinking binges, his liver was like that.
Allen
Some facts for you from the Super Size Me! website

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These facts? Uh, Not So Fun.

*Each day, 1 in 4 Americans visits a fast food restaurant
*In 1972, we spent 3 billion a year on fast food - today we spend more than 110 billion
*McDonald's feeds more than 46 million people a day - more than the entire population of Spain
*French fries are the most eaten vegetable in America
*You would have to walk for seven hours straight to burn off a Super Sized Coke, fry and Big Mac
*In the U.S., we eat more than 1,000,000 animals an hour
*60 % of all Americans are either overweight or obese
*One in every three children born in the year 2000 will develop diabetes in their lifetime
*Left unabated, obesity will surpass smoking as the leading cause of preventable death in America
*Obesity has been linked to: Hypertension, Coronary Heart Disease, Adult Onset Diabetes, Stroke, Gall Bladder Disease, Osteoarthritis, Sleep Apnea, Respiratory Problems, Endometrial, Breast, Prostate and Colon Cancers, Dyslipidemia, steatohepatitis, insulin resistance, breathlessness, Asthma, Hyperuricaemia, reproductive hormone abnormalities, polycystic ovarian syndrome, impaired fertility and lower back pain
*The average child sees 10,000 TV advertisements per year
*Only seven items on McDonald's entire menu contain no sugar
*Willard Scott was the first Ronald McDonald - he was fired for being too fat
*McDonald's distributes more toys per year than Toys-R-Us
*Diabetes will cut 17-27 years off your life
*McDonald's: \"Any processing our foods undergo make them more dangerous than unprocessed foods\"
*The World Health Organization has declared obesity a global epidemic
*Eating fast food may be dangerous to your health
*McDonald's calls people who eat a lot of their food \"Heavy Users\"
*McDonald's operates more than 30,000 restaurants in more then 100 countries on 6 continents
*Before most children can speak they can recognize McDonald's
*Surgeon General David Satcher: \"Fast food is a major contributor to the obesity epidemic\"
*Most nutritionists recommend not eating fast food more than once a month
*40% of American meals are eaten outside the home
*McDonald's represents 43% of total U.S. fast food market


[ May 17, 2004, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: Allen ]
jeffrey3410
we know the harm of what fast food chain offers and we hear it every day. it's already obvious, but you still see an overkill of information every day.
but what actually makes a person go to these kind of places? studies to unravel that would be more interesting for me to know.
Joe in Philly
It's a stupid stunt -- to eat every single meal at McDonald's for 30 days. I don't know that anyone does that in reality or comes close. And did I read somewhere that he kept ordering Super Size meals even though he wasn't that hungry?

Whatever good points he may be making about eating healthy in this country are being ignored because the focus in articles is more on him and his eating stunt.
hockeyTom
I am surprised the guy didn't have a heart attack.
PhillyFan
Huh? I thought this was the new M&M doc?
stinger85
I haven't seen it, but I have a couple of other questions about his experiment. Did he keep the rest of his routine the same? Did he exercise before and stop that for the 30 days? Did he really Super Size every meal? Most people don't do that.

As with pretty much anything, any extreme is unhealthy. A person could end up with health risks if they ate only salads for 30 days.
maxallen
I have some questions about this too. Did he only eat the most unhealthy stuff on the menu? I mean, was it only Big Macs and Quarter Pounders, or did he try ordering more healthy stuff? Did he ever get his veggies, like a salad or even the lettuce and tomato that come on a grilled chicken sandwich? Did he ever (god forbid) hold the mayo? Did he eat super-size fries and soda with every lunch and dinner? Did he ever drink water, unsweetened tea, or diet soda instead of regular soda? Did he ever get one of those yogurt parfaits for breakfast, or was it always an Egg Mcmuffin and hash browns?

I understand the point he was trying to make, but I don't think McDonald's expects anyone to eat there for three meals a day, every day.

[ May 17, 2004, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: maxallen ]
Allen
He ate EVERYTHING on the menu at least once. And if they ask him to super size it, he would.
Cyd at Outsports
I saw the flick. It was fine - kind of boring. It could have made a fun Discovery Channel one-hour piece. But, you can only watch someone cram a Big Mac into his mouth so many times.

He did eat everything on the menu, but he mostly ordered really bad stuff - whoppers and fries and such.

A large person I know got really shaken by the movie and has since started really watching his weight. So, for that matter, it's a good thing!
Allen
Cyd ... Whoppers are from Burger King. Big Macs are fom McDonalds. wink
Jim at Outsports
Saw it and thought it was terrific.
ursaminorjim
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stinger85:
I haven't seen it, but I have a couple of other questions about his experiment. Did he keep the rest of his routine the same? Did he exercise before and stop that for the 30 days? Did he really Super Size every meal? Most people don't do that.

As with pretty much anything, any extreme is unhealthy. A person could end up with health risks if they ate only salads for 30 days.
In addition to eating only McDonald's food, he limited his exercise to the average amount that most Americans get. In other words very little - he walked less than two miles a day (which is a pretty difficult task in New York City). He kept tabs on it by wearing a pedometer for the duration of filming. And, as said earlier, he only supersized his meal when asked if he'd like to do so.

As for the comment that it was just a ridiculous stunt, and that nobody eats McDonalds three-times-a-day, seven days a week, well that's true. But there are plenty of people who eat fast food every day for lunch.

As for the fruit and yogurt parfaits, he also points out that while the small size is better for you than the regular ice-cream version, the large size with granola has more calories than the ice-cream sundae. And their Crispy Chicken Bacon Ranch Salad with dressing has more fat, more calories, and as much cholesterol as a Big Mac.
jeditw
I think it is silly to try and blame fast food places for one getting fat. I worked for McDonld's for 4 years. I would eat it every single day that I worked, sometimes being 6 days a week. I would also eat it on my days off as well. I would go through 20 nuggets, 2 large fries and no idea how many medium sodas in the course of a regular work day. Not to mention the burger named after me in my store, the Skip Burger at least twice a week with bacon on it. A Skip burger is a double double cheese burger, 4 slices of cheese and 2 pieces of bacon. In the 4 years of working there I never put on any weight. As a matter of fact, it was not until I left the company that I started putting on any weight. I was about 5 - 10 lbs under weight the entire time I was there. So, I say again...you can not blame the fast food restraunts for people getting fat. The person should know their own limits and know when they have had enough. I want my supersize dang it! :-)
ursaminorjim
He's not saying that fast food is the only reason so many people are obese - heck, the flm features a guy who eats at least one Big Mac a day (sometimes two or three) who isn't overweight.

[ May 17, 2004, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]
savvy
The whole concept is so transparent. And this guy is such a publicity hound.
ursaminorjim
How do you mean, savvy?

Honestly, I don't understand all the negativity people have towards this film, sight unseen. Especially since the whole "stunt" aspect is really only a small part of it.

[ May 17, 2004, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]
Jim at Outsports
The film makes a great point about the fast food industry and his eating the food is just a part of a larger look at the industry. It's no surprise that McDonald's ended supersizing two weeks after his film debuted at Sundance. It is a very effective indictment of the way we eat in America, especially the way we market this stuff to kids. I would see it again.
timber07
Well, I for one am sorry to see Super Size go. I work out and I watch what I eat, but I have a big appetite. On those rare occasions when I go to McDonald's I always get the Super Size.

This whole thing is just a scary conviction on the American public. Since Americans can't control themselves from eating too much, someone else has to do it for them.
ursaminorjim
Well, when over half of the population is obese, I don't think there's anything wrong with a little portion control.

Besides, nobody's stopping anyone from buying just as much junk food as they want. But when you have 7-11 offering the Double Gulp - 64 oz. of soda, two full gallons - things are getting a little bananas.

[ May 17, 2004, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]
timber07
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Jim:
But when you have 7-11 offering the Double Gulp - 64 oz. of soda, two full gallons - things are getting a little bananas.
Funny you should mention that...I ran into a friend of mine in 7-11 last Sunday while I was buying one of those Double Gulp 64 oz sodas. He made some comment about "at least I was getting 7 UP". I had been playing volleyball for 5 hours too; I was a little thirsty...
PCC
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Jim:
But when you have 7-11 offering the Double Gulp - 64 oz. of soda, two full gallons - things are getting a little bananas.
64 ounces is two quarts, not two gallons.
shore
I think you mean two full quarts, not gallons. A gallon is 128 ounces.
fantomas
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timber07:
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Jim:
But when you have 7-11 offering the Double Gulp - 64 oz. of soda, two full gallons - things are getting a little bananas.
Funny you should mention that...I ran into a friend of mine in 7-11 last Sunday while I was buying one of those Double Gulp 64 oz sodas. He made some comment about \"at least I was getting 7 UP\". I had been playing volleyball for 5 hours too; I was a little thirsty...
Water???
timber07
[quote]fantomas:
[quote]Water??? [/quote]LOL. Nothing gets by Fantomas! We play at a park that oddly has no water fountains near the volleyball area. I don't like to drink before or during volleyball anyway. It slows me down. I usually take along a large coke on ice; and slowly drink it during the day. I take along a jug of water in case of an emergency, but I've never needed it. I don't like plain water all that much anyway.

I get most of my liquids in the morning. I go through 2 gallons of skim milk and a gallon and a half of orange juice every week.
ursaminorjim
Sorry - I meant quarts, honest!

As if two quarts of pop were perfectly acceptable anyway...

[ May 17, 2004, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Jim ]
savvy
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Jim:
How do you mean, savvy?

Honestly, I don't understand all the negativity people have towards this film, sight unseen. Especially since the whole \"stunt\" aspect is really only a small part of it.
There are zillions of stories/studies every other week on every news channel about how much fat, cholesterol, calories, are in fast food, always singling out McDonalds. I'm especially amused when the stories make comparisons: "Eating just one BigMac is the equivalent of eating 20 sticks of butter!" We get it. It so cliche, it's irritating.

Let's shoot a documentary. I'm so naive. Let's document what will happen if I, a non smoker, smoke a pack a day and don't excercise!! Hmmm. What will happen? Insightful? No.

And worse, the guy talks like he just discovered uranium mixed in the water supply.

[ May 18, 2004, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: savvy ]
jeffrey3410
YOu can turn the t.v. off.
You can avoid smoking.
You can drive a vehicle that uses less gas.
You can avoid getting sexually transmitted disease.
You can avoid eating super size portions.
Exercise your choice.
Allen
Okay savvy, I get your point, however misguided it may be.

This is such a great way to document what happens to a person if you eat fast food, not just McDonalds on a regular basis.

No one knew what would happen, especially the doctors. They were shocked as much as the "lab rat."

Hey, why not make a documentary about the evils of fast food? You get what you pay for ... cheap, easy and fast, but certainly not good for you at all.

Sometimes, you have to package old information differently so people can go, "Oh! I get it!" This movie seems to have cuased a major stir everywhere in the fast food industry.
Joe in Philly
I don't think it will cause a major stir with the public because it's a documentary, so most people won't bother to see it. Also, as long as people keep buying fast food, they'll continue to sell it. Most of the healthy alternatives just don't taste as good as the fattening versions.
stinger85
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Allen:
Sometimes, you have to package old information differently so people can go, \"Oh! I get it!\" This movie seems to have cuased a major stir everywhere in the fast food industry.
People will still rationalize their behavior. It's as simple as saying "Those health risks only occur if I eat McDs 3 times a day every day. I don't do that so I will be fine." I agree with JIP, a lot of people will just hear the buzz about the movie but not go see it because it is a documentary.
Jim at Outsports
The movie is very entertaining and hasn't been done before. I urge people to see the movie and judge for themselves. It's sure a whole lot better done than 99% of the crap out there on the screen.

[ May 18, 2004, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: Jim at Outsports ]
shore
JIP wrote that the alternative, healthy food doesn't taste as good as the fattening food; but taste is a matter of opinion and easily changed. One may not like salt in their food because it's too salty, but you can control the portion of salt. Same with fat for flavoring. It all comes down to what you are used to, and you can change what you are used to.
Allen
Okay, here is me @ 18. That is how old I was when I was working at McDonalds. I use to be really skinny - like Kenya skinny, but after I started working there, I did gain weight. At the end of my freshmen year of college, I weighed 180lbs with a 36 in. waist. I didn't work out. I had chest pains when I walked across the campus and up to the 4th floor of my dorm room. The most frightening thing that happened to me is when I could not see my penis when I looked down. I asked my family if I was looking all right.

"You look great!" They said.

I went to a high school graduation and I remember one girl tell me I looked "healthy." Also many of the employees I worked with at McDonalds thought I was in my late 20s when, in fact, I was 19. :mad: I knew I had to do something.

First of all, I looked at what I ate. McDonalds. So, I decided to make changes in what I ate there like just eat the meat and the bun, no soft drinks (just tea) and no salt on the fries. Surpirsingly, it made a difference. I stopped eating "hotdishes" (aka casseroles) since it was filled w/ a lot of creme and potatoes. Also, I cut out a lot of sweets. I LOVE chocolate chip bars (an upper Midwest thing)!! I knew if I wanted to look and feel better, I had to stop eating all sweets and have one every once in awhile.

I started feeling better by the time I started my sophomore year of college. I had to take a gym class, so I took weightlifting. My teacher was the assistant volleyball coach and I loved her legs! She had these nice manly quads. Wow! biggrin.gif I remember when I had to do bench press. I couldn't even lift the bar. eek! However, I really liked the changes I saw and I stuck with it.

That year, I stopped drinking soft drinks and the weight came off like ice cream melting in the sun.

So, what I am really say is this ... yeah, I know firsthand of what this guy did for an experiment. Instead of a month, it took me a year.

It also took me a year to change from looking like a special ed student to looking like a frat guy.

Sorry, I feel very strong about this issue.
stinger85
There are stories that go both ways.

I worked at McDonalds for 5 years during high school and college. During my time at McDs I was in the best shape of my life. During college I would often eat McDs twice a day, with the third meal coming from another fast food restaurant or from the college cafeteria. My boyfriend worked at Hardees for 5 years and same thing.

Any diet is unhealthy if you don't follow certain rules. It takes diet and exercise to be healthy. A skinny person is not always healthy. I think it was in Men's Health a couple months ago that said that high stress levels are more dangerous than being 20 pounds overweight.
PhillyFan
Hardees! Oh those hot ham n cheese! YEAH!

Actually, isnt it all about being HAPPY?

You know i have a friend or 2 with the whole little frat boy, anf blah blah blah... they are miserable to be around. Cant eat here cant eat there... no beer... too many carbs.. ect. Totally boring.. totally miserable.. They just sit there and wait to take off their shirts and try and look pretty for that snapshot on the dancefloor.
Allen
That's a bad thing?? :confused:

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PhillyFan:
They just sit there and wait to take off their shirts and try and look pretty for that snapshot on the dancefloor.
pat125
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Allen:
That's a bad thing??    :confused:  

 
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PhillyFan:
They just sit there and wait to take off their shirts and try and look pretty for that snapshot on the dancefloor.
Yes, it is a bad thing. I think some good points are made about good nutrition and exercise. But being obsessive about good nutrition is probably as bad as the other extreme, IMO.
stinger85
Yes pat125, I think it was in the people who should be shot thread that talked about coworkers or strangers obsessing about carbs or weightwatcher points or offering nutrition advice. It is about being happy with who you are and what you look like.

As for quoting PhillyFan, I think this was the real shocker...

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You know i have a friend or 2  
Whuhhhhh??? :confused:
Those poor, poor people...

[ May 18, 2004, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: stinger85 ]
pat125
[ May 18, 2004, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: pat125 ]
canmark
I just saw Super Size Me and thought it was very entertaining. I found the director, Morgan Spurlock, rather fetching, too. wink

[ May 18, 2004, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: canmark ]
illini n milwaukee
Oh, at first I thought this was about Tonka's pick-up lines........... :mad:


wink


I think these kind of documentaries are fascinating and I'm glad they are now getting into theaters and more (or at least one more) people are producing them. As contraversial as Michael Moore is, I think his documentaries are more interesting and entertaining than most movies. Although he is obviously turning much more political/to the point these days, I thought Roger and Me was great.
Allen
Okay stinger, you were probably active when you worked at McDonalds. I wasn't. So, those are BIG differences right there!! I ate McD's, got drunk and stoned. Great way to spend your first part of college. THEN I started getting active.

I have to agree w/ illini. These documentaries are much better than most movies out there now. smile.gif
PhillyFan
Actually...

I'm just curious Allen, but what is your point?

We need to shut down McD's? We need food police to pull the spoon outta someone's mouth? everyone needs to be a little gym bunny?

I say..

If you wanna smoke, smoke

If you wanna eat, eat

If you wanna drink, drink

Personally, i've gained more weight in my life from boozing and not working out the last month or so than any of my crappy eating habits.
ursaminorjim
But it's not just about weight gain - fast food in large quantities is basically toxic. And I'm all in favor of people putting whatever the hell they want into their bodies. But a lot of people don't really think about what it is that they're eating, or what detrimental effects it can have. And if it takes a stunt documentary to make people reconsider their nutritional choices, well what's wrong with that?
stinger85
How does he end the movie? Does he offer any suggestions for better eating?

An important thing to keep in mind is that salads from restaurants can cause other health risks...although they may be a little short term. Salads made in restaurants, or kept in a salad bar, usually contain large amounts of bacteria and are common cases for food poisoning. When my bf was in college, as a bio lab experiment they got salads from different places in the city and tested them. The most common strain of bacteria was fecal matter, and large quantities of it.

I'm still interested in what his diet and exercise regimen were like before he did his 30 day stunt. Was a vegan like his wife/gf and exercised more than he did when he was on his 30 day experiment?

[ May 19, 2004, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: stinger85 ]
PhillyFan
This lil flick, like M&M's, show what they want you to see.. that is all.

Of course the dude hammed it up, super sized it and all. He went to the extreme. If the guy worked out before then stopped... of course you are going to feel tired and run down.

With all the information out there, if you claim you dont know what you are doing by eating poorly and being 10,000lbs then crying about it after the fact... you are either...

an idiot
stupid
or both
ursaminorjim
Have you seen the movie, PhillyFan?

Oh, and "M&Ms?" Huh? :confused:

[ May 19, 2004, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Jim ]
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