twin58
Jun 30 2006, 08:38 AM
I didn't see a thread on this. The BBC reported this morning that:
Doping Scandal Knocks Germany's Ullrich Out of Tour de Franceand he wasn't the only one.
QUOTE
The Tour de France was thrown into its biggest crisis since the 1998 drugs scandal following the suspension of three of its biggest names on Friday.
Germany's Jan Ullrich, Spain's Francisco Mancebo and Italy's Ivan Basso were all dropped after being implicated in a doping investigation in Spain. Organizers suggested even more riders could also be suspended from their teams.
Tomorrow should be an interesting day.
LarryC
Jun 30 2006, 09:21 AM
It's pathetic. Cycling is at risk of becoming a complete farce, just like Barry Bonds.
dasher
Jul 14 2006, 10:18 PM
Is anyone else enjoying the Tour as much as I am?
With no returning champion.... and three of the top favorites tossed out for doping.... and several other contenders crashing out in the early stages, this race is wide open. No telling who will win, and that makes every day interesting.
Drugs or no, Yaroslav Popovych rode 211 km for four and a half hours in 100 degree heat today, with the roads radiating 120 degrees according to the commentators. He sprinted away from his three breakaway companions four times before he finally got free and finished alone for the stage win. His accelerations, drugs or no, were simply breathtaking.
My favorite stage was Tuesday -- stage 9 -- when the Spanish rider Oscar Freire
took the stage win. Freire is
one of the most handsome guys in the peleton, and when he stood on the podium his bike shorts displayed a very obvious endowment. (I haven't been able to find a photo of that profile online.)
What impressed me about stage 9 was Robbie McEwen's last-minute rocket sprint from the right barrier, up through the smallest of gaps, all the way across to the left side of the road, just barely missing the win. That Aussie has the most explosive acceleration of anyone in the peleton, which is why he's held the green jersey ten out of 13 days.
For American fans, Floyd Landis -- riding for the Swiss team, Phonak -- has held the yellow jersey for two days. Considering he's riding with a hip that will be surgically replaced after the Tour, his grit and guts -- drugs or no -- are astonishing.
I saw an ad in VeloNews that was unintentionally funny. It shows Jan Ullrich -- one of the favorites suspended for doping (a written doping regimen from 2005 was published this week) -- promoting Giant brand bikes. The tag line says: "It's all about the winning formula." The copy reads: "Take one part T-Mobile Team, two parts Tour de France, and add a healthy dose of advanced engineering...." Unfortunately, that "advanced engineering" has now all but ended his career.
The next big test for the Tour riders comes on Tuesday, when they attack the fearsome
Alpe d'Huez.
Zeno
Jul 17 2006, 02:28 PM
A special welcome for the 2006 tour:
spectators show their buttocksI'll try to watch the stage at l'Alpe d'Huez. The stages in the Alps will make it more clear on the favorite and contender. One could have a good day but have less energy the day after. I read Landis doesn't will not have strong support from his team in the mountains.
McEwen has been impressive in the sprints ending.
There was a
crash in the last stage. This one went over the rail guard into the bushes and was hurt.
Injured
LarryC
Jul 17 2006, 11:19 PM
QUOTE
dasher:
I saw an ad in VeloNews that was unintentionally funny. It shows Jan Ullrich -- one of the favorites suspended for doping (a written doping regimen from 2005 was published this week) -- promoting Giant brand bikes. The tag line says: \"It's all about the winning formula.\" The copy reads: \"Take one part T-Mobile Team, two parts Tour de France, and add a healthy dose of advanced engineering....\" Unfortunately, that \"advanced engineering\" has now all but ended his career.
Dasher, that's hilarious. I may not be enjoying this Tour as much as you are, but I certainly enjoyed that ad you quoted.
dasher
Jul 21 2006, 01:26 PM
What a wild and fantastic Tour; the most exciting I’ve ever watched!
Generally the race winner would be decided by now, but not this year. With no dominant individual or team, every day has been wide open for the boldest riders.
Yesterday Floyd Landis soared alone far ahead of the peleton, up “beyond category” mountain slopes, to win the most inspiring stage in years. Utterly f---ing amazing after his disastrous ride on Wednesday, where he lost 8 minutes and fell from second to 11th place. He seemed totally cooked Wednesday, but rode himself right back into third place Thursday – only 30 seconds behind the leader. No amount of doping can provide that kind of guts.
The Tour will be decided at tomorrow’s 56 km individual
time trial. Anything could happen, but Landis is among the best time trial riders.
Watching the coverage and commentary on OLN, I can’t get enough of Landis’ personal coach,
Robbie Ventura. Love that slender physique and boyish smile.
George Twins fan
Jul 23 2006, 09:02 AM
Landis has won it! Pretty amazing stuff. Wonder if he'll get a congratulatory call from Lance Armstrong?
Oooh the Frenchies must be rippin' pissed off!
[ July 23, 2006, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: George Twins fan ]
Rickpw
Jul 23 2006, 07:19 PM
Floyd and Lance are friends and former teammates, so Lance is probably thrilled that Landis won. Floyd was quite the wild young buck when he first joined Lance's team, and Lance made many public statements that year about what a kick he got out of Floyd's antics.
It WAS an exciting Tour. I've watched as much as I could on OLN. After bonking and losing the lead and over 8 minutes, falling to I think 13th place overall, the very next day Landis came back charging and made up all the time he lost. It had to have taken a enormous internal drive to do that. It's one of the greatest comebacks in all of sports, and this after over two weeks of racing.
Because Landis did that amazing comeback, no one is going to think he didn't deserve to win. However, the French frustration certainly continues over not winning "their" Tour since the great Bernard Hinault won his fifth Tour in 1985.
Everyone probably knows this from seeing it on the news, but Americans have won 11 of the last 21 Tours de France (Greg Lemond 1986, 1989, 1990, Armstrong 1999-2005), and now Floyd Landis in 2006. It's pretty remarkable, considering the first American entry wasn't until 1981. The Tour doesn't need an American victory to be exciting, but the stats are there.
The Tour de France is the most gruelling endeavor in all of sports. Racing over 2000 miles in three weeks, with 2 days off. Even though everyone knows who Lance Armstrong is now, I still find myself trying to explain the Tour de France to folks who have only a dim idea of what it is.
[ July 23, 2006, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Rickpw ]
Tom Brooks
Jul 23 2006, 10:47 PM
Add to that, that Americans have won the past 9 races in the past 10 years. So assuming that Landis will be out next year with the hip, which American will we be watching next year?
And with the Americans have been remarkable achievements. Landis' recovered his time this year but I'm also thinking of the year (3 years ago?) when Armstrong avoided a crash in a descent by leaving the road, cross country, and back onto the road. People may argue drugs in cycling that that was purely great skill. Did Le Mond win after getting gunshot? Apparently, you are likely to win this race if you are American and either suffering or recovering from serious injury.
It was a fine Tour of France this year.
DebW
Jul 24 2006, 08:09 AM
After the race, I went back to my Outside magazine with Landis on the cover and read his profile. In it, he jokes about an e-mail he sent to people that shows his scrunched-up face Photoshopped onto, to quote the magazine, "the heavily muscled body of an ax-wielding maniac." The image has a caption: "I'M A HOMO."
That's not the word that comes to mind now.
Deb
dasher
Jul 24 2006, 07:40 PM
Looks like Floyd intends to defend the yellow jersey in 2007.
QUOTE
Tour de France champion Floyd Landis said Monday he hopes to have his ailing right hip replaced within the next month so he can return to the sport with the possibility of defending his title next July.
Speaking with American reporters in a conference call from his hotel room in Paris, Landis said he remains confident that he can resume his racing career, despite the fact that he will become the first professional cyclist and only one of a small number of professional athletes to successfully undergo total hip replacement surgery.
\"I haven't made a definite decision,\" Landis said. \"I would like to have it done within the next month, because the recovery period is six to eight weeks and then I should be able to train. Obviously, it won't be at the level I am now, because I'll have had a month-and-a-half off. If things go as they should, without complications, based on what other people have told me... by next spring, I probably won't be in the same shape I was this spring, but I'll be back racing without any trouble.\"
Joe in Philly
Jul 24 2006, 10:01 PM
QUOTE
DebW:
After the race, I went back to my Outside magazine with Landis on the cover and read his profile. In it, he jokes about an e-mail he sent to people that shows his scrunched-up face Photoshopped onto, to quote the magazine, \"the heavily muscled body of an ax-wielding maniac.\" The image has a caption: \"I'M A HOMO.\"
That's not the word that comes to mind now.
Deb
I'm confused -- was it something he made up to spoof himself, or did someone else create it and he somehow discovered it? Is there an anti-gay element involved here?
gmginsfo
Jul 25 2006, 08:31 AM
Landis is big news here in SD, where he now lives. There's a wealth of coverage on him in the local press, which you can access by searching back from the story.
Link to story.
DebW
Jul 25 2006, 09:57 PM
[/QUOTE]I'm confused -- was it something he made up to spoof himself, or did someone else create it and he somehow discovered it? Is there an anti-gay element involved here? [/QB][/QUOTE]
---
I am not sure. I got the sense perhaps that he created this unflattering picture of himself as some sort of joke and then captioned it with what he might view as an unflattering caption: "I'm a Homo."
dasher
Jul 27 2006, 06:35 AM
Here comes the bad news.
QUOTE
After the UCI announced yesterday that one rider had an A sample positive in the 2006 Tour de France, there has been strong speculation about the identity of the rider. The UCI will not confirm the name of the rider until the B sample results come back, but that could be within the week.
Under the Tour de France doping controls, at the end of each stage, the stage winner and yellow jersey wearer are tested, plus at least two random selections, as well as two reserves.
The Times newspaper is reporting that the positive was for testosterone, and occurred after Stage 17 to Morzine, won by Floyd Landis (Phonak). The yellow jersey was retained on that stage by Oscar Pereiro (Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears) by a slender 12 seconds, following Landis' phenomenal 130km attack that stunned the field.
On the other hand, La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that the positive was for a stimulant, it happened in the last week, and involved an important rider \"high up in the classification\".
Both newspapers, in addition to several other European news outlets, are drawing on circumstantial events to indicate it could be the Tour's overall winner, Floyd Landis.
Apparently, Landis was supposed to have competed in a post-Tour criterium in Chaam in The Netherlands on Wednesday night, but did not race, citing hip problems. He left the hotel at 4:30pm with team manager John Lelangue, and also cancelled a criterium appointment in Denmark for today (Thursday).
His sudden withdrawal surprised race organisers, as it's understood the regular appearance fee at a post-Tour criterium for the reigning yellow jersey is 60,000 euros.
Zeno
Jul 27 2006, 07:47 AM
Just heard there was a confiramtion it was Landis who tested positive. Had testosterone level too high during part of the race.
As if cycling needed this!
dasher
Jul 27 2006, 11:05 AM
His team confirmed he had a positive A sample after stage 17 at Morzine.
Next step, analyze the B sample. If that's positive, then they test his endocrine system to see if he is one of those guys who have a higher than normal testosterone level.
No matter what happens, his win is now tainted forever. frown
Tom Brooks
Jul 27 2006, 11:55 AM
Intially sounds bad but I also know that we build up more testosterone in physical activity so the smart guys will have to determine if the incremented testosterone was naturally increased or artificially. Messy stuff, but I trust the professionals in their determination. Ultimately, I want the winner to be an honest sport, more than the particular individual.
canmark
Jul 27 2006, 06:41 PM
QUOTE
George Twins fan:
Landis has won it! Pretty amazing stuff. Wonder if he'll get a congratulatory call from Lance Armstrong?
Oooh the Frenchies must be rippin' pissed off!
The Frenchies are celebrating now!
Actually, there was a message board linked to the Landis story on USAToday's website, and it seemed that many of the posters were
blaming the Frenchies, claiming it was all a set up.
I read somewhere else that some expert said that after the grueling mountain portions of the race, it's virtually impossible for the legs to rebound and be in good shape the next day. They need a couple of days to recover. But, a testosterone boost (apparently, you put a testosterone patch on your scrotum for several hours

) can help you recover faster. Thus, it's speculated that Landis was able to boost his performance during that stage of the race, while the others were worn out.
Of course, the whole sport of cycling is full of cheaters, and Landis might just be the best of the cheaters (now that Lance Armstrong is gone

).
And for his various claims of medical conditions and treatments which may have caused this positive test... heard it all before. I forgot her name, but it's on another thread somewhere... the sprinter who claimed she had narcolepsy, and possibly her medication caused a positive test. She later admitted to illegal drug use. There's no excuse that hasn't been used. Who are these people trying to fool?
Of course, the NHL people must be happy, as this news has erased former NHL enforcer Andrei Nazarov recent claim that drug use is
rampant in hockey. How can any kind of sports fan not be cynical of the morals and ethics of pro athletes? It's so sad... frown
canmark
Jul 27 2006, 06:45 PM
SI.com got an
exclusive interview with Landis:
QUOTE
Floyd Landis says he didn't do it -- didn't inject testosterone, didn't apply a testosterone patch to any part of his body. Floyd Landis just returned my call, and I asked him straight up: \"Did you do it, bro?\"
He said, \"No, c'mon man,\" in what would turn out to be the first of several denials.
* * *
He raised the possibility that the cortisone shots he's been taking for his ravaged right hip -- the hip he'll soon have replaced -- may have had some effect on the test. Then he revealed this: \"I've had a thyroid condition for the last year or so and have been taking small amounts of thyroid hormone. It's an oral dose, once a day.\"
He raised the possibility that that medication may have skewed the test that appears to damn him.
* * *
He was talking about a visit I paid to the team bus a week ago today. The day before -- in what had been his lowest moment in many weeks -- Landis appeared to have ridden himself off the podium and out of the top 10. As the Tour had unfolded, as he'd taken the lead and then relinquished it, then cracked spectacularly, he had not seemed like a rider under the influence of performance-enhancing drugs. In fact, the French were down on him for racing too conservatively, for not attacking or going for stage wins.
The next morning I went by the Phonak team bus (as I wrote in my Tour dispatch a week ago). It was eerily deserted, Landis having already been dubbed irrelevant. He sat on the steps of the bus and we chatted. After his incredible ride that day, I was a little embarrassed by what I'd said: I told him I respected that he'd finished the stage, no matter how long it took. I told him I looked forward to seeing what he did in the final time trial -- something about silver linings.
He smiled, and told me, basically, that he expected to make up some of that time that afternoon. He told me he was feeling better.
He went out rode himself into the lore of the Tour.
What to make of that ride now?
* * *
Then you read what German doctor Kurt Moosburger recently told Cyclingnews.com: \"You can do a hard Alpine stage without doping. But after that, the muscles are exhausted. You need -- depending on your training conditions -- up to three days in order to regenerate.\"
To help recover, testosterone and human growth hormone can be used. \"Both are made by the body and are therefore natural substances,\" he said. \"They help to build muscle as well as in muscle recovery.\"
Dr. Moosburger explained how it was done. \"You put a standard testosterone patch that is used for male hormone-replacement therapy on your scrotum and leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually recovers faster.\"
It would be funny -- if it weren't heartbreaking -- to think that as he sat outside the team hotel last Wednesday night, explaining his collapse, Landis was already getting a little help from a patch on a tender part of his anatomy.
gmginsfo
Jul 28 2006, 10:34 AM
Boy, this is a bummer. I hope he's able to prove his innocence, because I find it incomprehensible that a guy from his background would do anything like this.
Link to story.
dasher
Jul 28 2006, 12:27 PM
I've watched my cycling heroes fall, one after another. So I'm feeling pretty cynical about this. Still, Floyd deserves to be judged by the facts and not by the court of public opinion.
Predictably, we are now being bombarded with information about testosterone and the test used to measure it.
QUOTE
Andrew Pipe, a physician and medical and scientific adviser to the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sports in Ottawa, says that synthetic testosterone is normally injected, but taking it in the middle of an athletic competition would have little effect in boosting performance.
\"Anabolic steroids, of which testosterone is the granddaddy, can have a central nervous system effect,\" he said. \"But anabolic steroids largely work by increasing the capacity for training and increasing the bulk and tolerance of muscles. That isn't going to happen in a few hours.\"
Pipe cautioned that the initial uproar over the high levels of testosterone detected in Landis's system may prove to be premature, depending on the outcome of additional testing that will have to be carried out before a definitive judgment is made. Taken by itself, he said, an elevated testosterone finding in the rider's A urine sample is enough to raise suspicions, but it does not automatically implicate the athlete as a doping cheat.
\"I think it's very important that people take a deep breath and understand the implications and significance of what's being reported,\" Pipe said last night. He said that some men have naturally high levels of testosterone.
QUOTE
The leading expert on testing for the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone, and for testing whether the ratio is the result of natural biology or is the result of doping, is Don Catlin -- the director of the WADA-accredited drug-testing laboratory here in the USA.
Catlin has said \"It's possible to have a T/E ratio of over six and still not have taken testosterone. Further, Catlin is aware that the traditional methods of deriving a T/E ratio are notoriously unreliable. With those methods, figuring out whether the ratio was \"natural\" or the result of doping would require that a series of four urine samples be taken over a number of days, and then attempting to guestimate from the pattern of results of four days of testing what the person's natural ratio is. That process is complicated by the fact that drinking alcohol, and taking various medications can easily jump someone's ratio from 4:1 on Monday to 12:1 on Tuesday.
canmark
Jul 29 2006, 06:08 AM
Landis's
team has raised all sorts of doubts (they should go work for the tobacco industry

): Landis has a naturally high testosterone level and/or a low epitestosterone level (which created the ratio imbalance), the sample may have been contaminated, the testing lab is suspect, testosterone offers no benefit in the short run, other medications he's taking may have affected the result, etc. I'm just waiting for him to hire Mark Garagos.
QUOTE
\"He does not have a high level of testosterone. That's not been documented. He has a high ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in his urine,\" Landis' personal physician, Dr. Brent Kay, said Friday night on CNN's \"Larry King Live.\"
\"Which could be due to an elevated testosterone level. It could be due to a low epitestosterone level. And it could be due to a variety of other factors with handling and specimen contamination and various other things.\"
Kay, speaking from Los Angeles, also said that using testosterone would hurt rather than help a cyclist.
* * *
\"And it's crazy to think that a Tour de France professional cyclist would be using testosterone, particularly in the middle of a race. It's a joke. Every sports medicine expert, physician, trainer, scientist that I've talked to in the last day, have really the same opinion, 'No way. This is a joke.'\"
But, of course, one can raise doubts on the doubts. Wouldn't Landis's natural testosterone/epitestosterone imbalance have been discovered before? He was tested multiple times in the Tour de France, and in other races, yet the only positive test comes when he makes a miraculous comeback from 11th to 3rd position? And is it possible he was using testosterone over a long period of time--only the masking agent betrayed him at that stage? Is Landis the only person in cycling with this natural imbalance--or wouldn't we have heard of it before? Or, with all the known cheaters in the sport, is it possible that 2 clean athletes (Armstrong and Landis) have been able to beat all the cheaters year after year? One superhuman is possible, but two?
I love Lance Armstrong's lukewarm support of Landis:
"I don't want to pass judgment until we have confirmation on the 'A' sample," Armstrong said. "I'm not going to speculate; you can get Greg LeMond to go on the air and speculate. I'm not going to do that. ... I'm not going south like Greg does. I believe in the sport, I'm a fan of it and I love it."
Rather than say, "I believe in Landis 100%. He's clean!" he says, 'I'll wait for further tests.' Even Landis himself admits the "B" sample will likely yield the same result. What will Lance say then?
Remember this kids: Cheaters never prosper. wink
illini n milwaukee
Jul 29 2006, 06:30 AM
My favorite Larry King question to Lance Armstrong was whether it was anti-American sentiment that led to this. Right.
Because the official doping organization of the Tour de France notified his team, not the media of Landis' test result and it was his team that released it to the media.
I like how anytime an American runs into trouble, it's anti-Americanism. Never their fault. And ESPN has pretty much taken Landis for his word.
Adam
Jul 29 2006, 01:15 PM
The explanation I find most head-scratching and intriguing came from one of the biking experts on ESPN who posited that the beer Landis drank the night of his poor performance--prior to stage 17--was the possible cause of the decreased epitestosterone. To cite Homer Simpson: "Beer....the cause of and solution to all our problems." I do question these results if only because all bicycle racers know they're going to be tested and tested and tested; any who gets caught doping must be a moron and Landis doesn't seem like a moron.
~Adam
dasher
Jul 29 2006, 10:29 PM
I think most, if not all, of the major pro riders are doping. They believe that if they don't, the others will have an advantage.
Still, in this case we don't even have the results of the B sample or an analysis of Landis' endocrine levels. That's what the UCI protocol requires, and he ought not be judged guilty until those results are in.
In addition, lab tests are not always reliable. The UCI and WADA have claimed for years that the test for EPO is fool-proof. But the case of Rutger Beke proved them wrong.
QUOTE
Triathlete cleared for EPO false positive
The Flemish government's disciplinary commission has cleared Belgian triathlete Rutger Beke of taking EPO, Het Laatste Nieuws has reported. Beke tested positive for the blood-boosting drug at a triathlon in Knokke in September 2004, and was suspended for 18 months in March this year.
Like many athletes, Beke insisted that he was not guilty, even though he returned positive tests from the anti-doping labs in Ghent, Belgium, and Cologne, Germany. He took his case to the Catholic University in Leuven, Belgium, where researchers tried to determine whether he was an example of a \"false positive\" - someone who returns a positive result, despite not having taken the drug. That proved to be the case, as Beke was found to naturally excrete proteins that would yield a positive test.
Beke was cleared on Tuesday, August 9, because there was \"no evidence that he took EPO\". His case is a landmark one for triathlon and other endurance sports such as cycling, where EPO has been one of the most commonly abused drugs in the last 15 years. It has now cast doubt on all EPO positives in cycling since the urine test was introduced in 2001.
The problem in cycling, as in other sports, is the corruption of big money. That doesn't just apply to the riders, team management and team doctors. It also applies to the companies that make the tests and then claim, as in the case of EPO, that there is no need to do any research on the rate of false positives. Likewise, the labs who leak information to the press against UCI protocol, and the WADA and UCI officials who publically condemn riders before the testing process is fully completed -- all have their own little kingdoms of self-interest.
Zeno
Jul 30 2006, 11:58 AM
Was the result of the test made public too soon (like a leak)? That is what I thought at first but if the cyclist's team has the suspend him until his name his cleared, the cyclist can't race until at least the B sample is tested.
Greg Lemond had to say this:
"If he is confirmed positive, I hope he has the courage to tell the truth," LeMond said in an interview with French weekly Le Journal du Dimanche released on Saturday. "He alone can change the face of the sport today. His example could be a symbol of change."
In a veiled reference to seven-time winner Lance Armstrong, long dogged by doping allegations, LeMond added: "I hope that (Landis) won't do what another American did: Deny, deny, deny."
dasher
Jul 31 2006, 09:28 AM
Zeno, from what I've read the French lab leaked Landis' results to the Times of London. The same lab is infamous for leaking Armstrong's 1999 EPO test results to L'Equipe right before the 2005 Tour.
The same lab is in the news this morning, once again leaking results in the Landis case.
QUOTE
The tests performed on Landis' A sample included an Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (IRMS) procedure, used to determine whether the testosterone is exogenous (contained within, but originating from outside the body) or endogenous (produced by the body itself). In the case of Landis, L'Equipe reported that the analysis found testosterone of artificial origin. It's understood the French newspaper received this information from a source within Chatenay-Malabry labortory that conducted the test on Landis' sample.
It's essential that the labs remain impartial and follow UCI protocol. Otherwise their results can be viewed as biased, which damages attempts to stop doping.
Zeno
Jul 31 2006, 03:24 PM
There is a mole at the lab.
The UCI asked for the sample B. Landis had not done it still (If I remember he said he was going to the next day at his interview on Larry King).
UCI want it done this week because if there is more wait... it could take a month because it's the summer holidays in France.
twin58
Jul 31 2006, 08:00 PM
Take a look at the website
Tour de France 2006 | Tour de France Results, News & Routes - Yahoo! Sport UK. For pretty good coverage of each stage, click on the
Stages link. You can read a summary of each stage, or you can choose to read a lengthier article. Here's the article about
Stage 17, for example. An excerpt:
QUOTE
At the top of the Col des Saissies, Halgand claimed first-place points. Landis was 3'10 behind; and the peloton was a further 3'25 back. Halgand attacked the lead group on the descent. He led the 10 others by 20 at the feedzone (97.5km), Landis by 55 and the yellow jersey's peloton by 4'50. Landis caught the 10 others at the 102.5km mark. Halgand led until the 122km mark and claimed first place at the 1st sprint. Landis was second and moments later caught up with the stage leader.
The site also parses the information by team and by standings, and it has maps, videos, and photos.
[ July 31, 2006, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: twin58 ]
hockeyTom
Aug 1 2006, 05:37 AM
I saw a story on World News This Morning, where reports are that the testosterone found in Landis' urine specimen was ruled synthetic..more test results await I guess??
LarryC
Aug 1 2006, 09:16 PM
The other sample gets tested Saturday. But what is Floyd's excuse going to be for the synthetic testosterone? It sounds like he's not only a cheat but a bald-faced liar, and a disgrace to his family and to cycling. If the B sample tests the same, he's gone from hero of the year to scumbag of the year. Barry Bond's pantheon of iniquity is getting crowded.
Adam
Aug 2 2006, 08:33 AM
I'm somewhat baffled by Landis' claim that the test on the B sample will show the same elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone and that consistency will somehow clear him, indicating that his body just naturally produces this elevated ratio. Doesn't that just lead to the question of why this ratio (supposedly 11:1) didn't manifest in earlier tests? After all, bicycle racers are tested constantly and if Landis' metabolism is the cause of his freakish testosterone/epitestosterone ration, wouldn't it have been evident in any of those earlier tests?
~Adam
swiminbuff
Aug 2 2006, 02:49 PM
QUOTE
LarryC:
The other sample gets tested Saturday. But what is Floyd's excuse going to be for the synthetic testosterone? It sounds like he's not only a cheat but a bald-faced liar, and a disgrace to his family and to cycling. If the B sample tests the same, he's gone from hero of the year to scumbag of the year. Barry Bond's pantheon of iniquity is getting crowded.
Thats where the Jack Daniels excuse comes into play
Landis fails second drug test. Sample B comes back positive at 11:1 ratio. eek!
dasher
Aug 5 2006, 08:08 AM
Landis has been fired from his team.
He faces a two-year suspension from cycling.
It's likely he will be stripped of his Tour victory.
No argument from me about that.
The second place finisher, Oscar Pereiro, would be designated as the new champion. But it’s a victory for no one. If all the major riders are doping, as I suspect they are, then the yellow jersey will have been taken away from a doper who got caught and given to a doper who didn’t.
Some say the scandal will force pro cycling to race clean. Roberto Heras was stripped of his title in the Tour of Spain last fall for using EPO. Did it scare the riders away from doping this year? Obviously not.
This Tour de France started with a drug scandal and ended with a drug scandal. I wouldn't mind if there was no winner at all this year. Just let the record book go blank.
Lexington
Aug 5 2006, 04:29 PM
>>>This Tour de France started with a drug scandal and ended with a drug scandal. I wouldn't mind if there was no winner at all this year. Just let the record book go blank.
And then, next year?
LXN
gmginsfo
Aug 5 2006, 04:53 PM
Not looking good at all! At least they won't strip him of the yellow jersey until he's exhausted his appeals, but I'm dumbfounded that this guy would cheat as it's starting to appear he did! frown
LarryC
Aug 5 2006, 05:07 PM
QUOTE
swiminbuff:
Thats where the Jack Daniels excuse comes into play :rolleyes [/QB]
You mean, like maybe it was Jack Daniels' testosterone they found in Landis's urine?
GMG: Why would he cheat? Well, assuming he's completely amoral (as it certain appears), he probably figured he blew any chance of placing after his disaster in stage 16, so he took a chance on a testosterone injection (or whatever other method) on the hope that he wouldn't get caught. As many have noted here, there are probably lots of doping cyclists that haven't been caught, and it wasn't out of the question Landis could get away with it. So he figured he had nothing to lose. Except for every remaining shred of respect, dignity and decency....
gmginsfo
Aug 5 2006, 07:53 PM
LC, sorry to say, but yes, that does make sense in a twisted way. The reason I'm having such a hard time with the idea of his cheating is based on his Mennonite background. If a guy coming from that environment cheats to get ahead, what are we coming to! Pro sports, even college, unfortunately, sure, happens all the time. But this guy, I thought, was really above and beyond all that. "Say it ain't so, Flo!"
Bill W
Aug 7 2006, 07:57 AM
B-b-but Landis doesn't have a big head!
I cannot
wait to address this topic with my sister (a huge Barry Bonds hater like many of you) when I visit her. "How could a cuddly wimp cyclist
possibly be a hardcore user?"
QUOTE
gmginsfo:
I find it incomprehensible that a guy from his background would do anything like this.
His
background? Enlighten me -- preppie, or just rich? Reminds me of Ronald Reagan's soft remark that his attempted assassin came from "a
good [ie, well-off] family."
[ August 07, 2006, 08:02 AM: Message edited by: Bill W ]
canmark
Aug 7 2006, 08:10 AM
Floyd Landis is
saying that cycling's international governing bodies have an "agenda" and he's a victim. That's right, they're out to discredit their own sport. Start the Tour de France with a doping scandal, and end it with a doping scandal. See sponsors and fans lose interest, see editorials cycling a mockery of sport--WWE on wheels. Yeah, that's a smart business move, a good agenda.
gmginsfo
Aug 7 2006, 10:52 AM
Bill W - if you'd bothered to read my last post before launching into yours, you'd know I was talking about his Mennonite background, which can hardly be described as either "preppie" or "rich," however much you might like to do so.
Bryan
Aug 7 2006, 10:52 AM
The french officials hate the fact that another American came through and won. They've been trying to f*ck Armstrong for years and now they've almost successfully screwed Landis out of his title. No one takes one dose of testosterone to pump up - it's taken several times over a period of time if so inclined. Landis has been tested repeatedly over his victories pre-Tour de France...this is a set up if there ever was one...
gmginsfo
Aug 7 2006, 11:05 AM
Au contraire, Monsieur Amer! If anything, the French have downplayed any delight in Landis' troubles.
Link to story.
Neptune
Aug 7 2006, 11:07 AM
Bryan, while this may be true, Landis is supposedly the one American cyclist that the French fans actually liked--or at least didn't have the same antagonistic relationship as with Armstrong. Prior to this doping controversy, the French press seem to warm to the story of his humble background and his bum hip. Plus he didn't dominate this year's tour like the Armstrong machine did (which always seemed to irk the French press).
It's really unfortunate that the Tour de France is turning into a sporting farce. This year already had a bit of an asterix with all of the top riders that were expelled. Even if Landis is innocent, no one at this point really believes that doping isn't widespread among the top riders.
Bill W
Aug 7 2006, 12:34 PM
sorry I missed that, gmginsfo -- I would've realized it's members of organized religions you're saying are more moral than everybody else.
Bryan
Aug 7 2006, 02:53 PM
I'll be honest, I just don't want to believe that he doped...I do doubt the integrity of the officials though...but it's my idealism that wants desperately to believe in Landis and his remarkable story...And I think the jury's still out.
gmginsfo
Aug 7 2006, 05:00 PM
QUOTE
Bill W:
sorry I missed that, gmginsfo -- I would've realized it's members of organized religions you're saying are more moral than everybody else.
You're still battin' 1.000 - you got that wrong too.
To spell it out so even you might understand it - if it makes it past your several tiers of baggage - it's this one member of the Mennonites, a group noted for their piety, simplicity and rejection of worldly things, whom I wanted to believe was above using drugs in his sport.
Versteh?
Joe in Philly
Aug 7 2006, 06:02 PM
QUOTE
gmginsfo:
To spell it out so even you might understand it - if it makes it past your several tiers of baggage - it's this one member of the Mennonites, a group noted for their piety, simplicity and rejection of worldly things, whom I wanted to believe was above using drugs in his sport. Versteh?
On the other hand, he left the community (something that didn't sit too well with the family at the time) and now lives in California. So perhaps the evil of the world corrupted him.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please
click here.