[/QUOTE]sounds good to me....Falcon, Eddie, JIP....get up here on the 20th(Buffalo seems to be somewhat central to Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Philly)....and we party all night....bars close at 4am here. A few hours for you guys and a few for me after midnite. wink [/QB][/QUOTE]

Blue,
If you are still as attractive as you were in that picture then you don't want me around you when I'm drinking!I might get all touchy-feely.

I wonder if Mr.Kanyon got bored with us already.

Division winners get the top 3 slots so I expect to be at home.

He's busy trying to figure out if his character's still gay.

Update from his MySpace blog (blog.myspace.com/chriskanyon):

It has been a lot of fun. It definitely has been interesting. And it has also been a bit of an emotional roller coaster. But I think the time for it to end has come. This Sunday, 3-5-06, at the World Wrestling Legend's PPV taping "6:05 The Reunion" at the Hard Rock Live in Orlando, Florida just outside of Universal Studios at 7:05 PM ( www.605reunion.com ), I will reveal my sexuality, the sexuality of Chris Klucsarits, the person who plays the "recently out of the closet pro wrestling character, Chris Kanyon." The intentional ambiguity of the sexuality of the person Chris Klucsarits (as opposed to the definitive homosexuality of the character Chris Kanyon) ends. Why the ambiguity in the first place? It is kind of a long story, but I covered quite a bit of it in the blogs on my Myspace page. Please check out www.myspace.com/chriskanyon if you want more info on why I decided to be so ambiguous.

Now, regardless of my announcement this coming Sunday, I stand behind my claim that Chris Kanyon is the first ever active openly gay male athlete in the 6 major U.S. sports of Professional Baseball, Basketball Wrestling, Football, Hockey, and Auto Racing (NASCAR). My definition of a Professional Wrestler (and I know others may not share my opinion on this, and that is cool) is any person who has made their full time living as a wrestler or who has ever signed a full time contract with a major Pro Wrestling Company. In my opinion, all other wrestlers are either Independent Wrestlers or Backyard Wrestlers. The reason I make this distinction is that by the nature of Backyard and Independent wrestling, there just hasn't been enough accurate historical record keeping of these Independent and Backyard groups for I or anyone else to say that there wasn't an openly gay Independent Wrestler who wrestled 20 or 15 or 10 years ago in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin or Topeka, Kansas or anywhere else for that matter. There just hasn't been enough accurate record keeping within the Independent or Backyard scene for anyone to know one way or the other what has been done in the past and who was first at something and when. Now as far as the Professional scene goes, there have been wrestling characters in the past that have insinuated or hinted that they were gay, but to my knowledge, before my announcement on February 4, I don't believe any Professional Wrestling Character had ever said in public that he was gay. With all that being said, I do believe that the character, Chris Kanyon, is the first ever openly gay Professional Wrestler in this country and thus also the first ever active openly gay male athlete in the 6 major US sports of Professional Baseball, Basketball Wrestling, Football, Hockey, and Auto Racing (NASCAR).

But how did this all start? Well, I wrestled on a show on February 4, 2006, in Sudbury, Ontario Canada, and on that show, I revealed that the Professional Wrestling character known as Chris Kanyon was, in fact, gay. That following Friday, I was called by a Tampa radio station, 98 Rock, and they asked me if what I had said in Canada was true. I told them that the Professional Wrestling character known as Kanyon was gay, but that I, Chris Klucsarits, the person behind the character, well, I may or may not be gay. I than posted my explanation of this on my website www.chriskanyon.net and on my Myspace page at www.myspace.com/chriskanyon. The response was overwhelming, with DJ's here in Tampa, in Orlando and in other cities as well as DJ's on XM and Sirius satellite radio all talking about it. There were many articles and blogs and discussion forums throughout the Internet and there were wrestling newsletters talking/writing about it. And in under 3 weeks through my Myspace page, I received over 33,000 blog views, over 1500 friend requests and just under 9000 full profile views.

The responses have varied from very positive to very hateful and everywhere in between. Some people liked the ambiguity, and some hated it. Some were very supportive, while some were very critical. But through it all, I found the reaction and the responses all very interesting, entertaining and enlightening. But now, I think the time to come clean and end the ambiguity has arrived. If I insulted or annoyed or offended anyone, I hope they realize that was never my intention. I saw this as an interesting opportunity to make people think about a very current and interesting and controversial issue. I saw it as an opportunity to get people to discuss something within the wrestling world that is very rarely discussed in a serious manner. I wanted to raise the questions of fantasy vs. reality, character vs. performer, storyline vs. news, fame vs. privacy, journalistic integrity vs. knee-jerk criticism. And if you read the things that were discussed on the Internet, or if you listened to the radio or Internet radio shows that covered this, or read the comments under the blogs on my Myspace or on the main page, I think I did get some people to think and to react.

And, I would guess that after my announcement on Sunday, there will be more people thinking and reacting and criticizing. But, at least there will be no more ambiguity. And at least, I believe, I have succeeded at my initial goal of getting people to think and to react. Thus far, I have no regrets. We will see if I can say the same thing after Sunday and beyond. And until than, the journey continues.......

I'm confused. Is WWE and Chris Canyon the same poster? When did professional wrestling become one of the six major sports?

Which 'dale you from?

At first, I was kind of excited about Chris' "announcement". Now, after being inundated with messages and teases, I couldn't care less. I think, and I know I'm not alone on this, that this is just a publicity stunt. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't be such a big deal, and he would have "revealed" his sexuality a long time ago, and wouldn't be doing it in such a grandiose manner. Even if he IS gay, he's too much of a drama-queen for me to give a rat's ass!

The particular quote from me is a newspaper story from the Macon Telegraph from November of 2004. I was attempting to be humble by saying I had no pie in the sky notions that I might become a Hulk Hogan, of course if it happened I wouldn't fight it. Curiously enough, no one mentions that date of the article which says that I'm an openly gay performer to the wrestler and the fans and it is dated from 2004. Just because I do no meet the definition of a professional wrestler by someone who was lucky enough to make it to the big leagues by hiding his sexuality or the sexuality of his character, it doesn't mean that what I've been doing since training doesn't count. Myself and people that have come before me are the very reason that it was so important to define us out of existence. So that one person could step to the head of the line just because they have more name recognition. I am glad to see an openly gay professional wrestler but Kanyon did not pave the way for the rest of us, it was the other way around. And nothing will be accomplished by trying to pick apart my post one sentence at a time.
Simon

Simon, let me be the first to welcome you to the board, and to commend you for attempting to set the record straight. As for the nitpicking issue, that's a habit that some of us board-members have. It's one of our more endearing qualities . I hope it doesn't deter you from contributing to other discussions on the board, as we would love to hear your opinions. Thanks.

How many signons does this one guy have? Is it just me or is Sybil on this thread?

Shnaubie, I was wondering if there was sumpin' fishy.
wwefan - member #4100, joined Feb 13th, all 6 of his posts have been on this one thread.
kanyon - member #4129, joined Feb 18th, all 11 of his posts have been about himself.

If they are indeed the same person, then page 1 of this thread has some fascinating conversations between his two monikers.

It almost reminds me of that poster from "Florida" whose first post (on another thread) was to defend someone from Minnesota...

Well if you've met BPT you know she has many personalities.

So cool that you "fuglies" caught up on that one... good job

Carry on

[ March 03, 2006, 02:14 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

Hippie head calling the aubs, en masse, fuglies? Who do you think you are, Fluffy?

Oh, puh-LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!!

This whole thing is a farce.

Aubster, you need to keep up.

I think Scarlet gets da point.

Aubs doesn't get it....but that's not the first time I didn't speak Phillyfananese

This whole thread has been absolutely hilarious!
Very entertaining to say the least.

It's all a muffled cry for help. My Clucks-a-Ritz desperately wants his life to be a reality TV show. Too bad they already thought of that stunt in the Truman Show

It is my understanding that Chris Klucsarits did announce that he himself is gay at an event Sunday, not just the character he portrays in the ring, Chris Kanyon. Now personally, I don't understand the whole wrestling dynamic with these personas, but it seems akin to Ellen DeGeneres coming out as a character on her old sitcom and coming out as a real person at about the same time. So, to my mind, that means we should keep an open mind about Chris and if he comes back here, at least be polite.

Frank, the problem most folks have with this is that the whole thing has been handled without any sense of decorum. If he is indeed gay, that's fine. But to spin a 3-ring circus surrounding his "announcement" just smacks of phony. And I'm not saying he is or is not actually a dick sucker (a noble club), but I am saying that the manner in which this thread developed has left most folks turned off.

If you're gay, come on out. But please don't turn it into a publicity stunt. Wrestling publicity stunts rank somewhere on the IQ meter below Lenny from LA Law, and even lower than any NASCAR event. This message board is not inhabited by people who live in trailers in rural Arkansas, and work on cars for a living.

Even though I often disagree with peeps around here, I will give them the credit that they deserve; as sports-fags, they at least are more erudite, educated, and intelligent than the typical cross-section of hetero middle America. And that generally means that they don't watch cars run around in circles, and they have a more difficult time "suspending disbelief" when watching rasslin.' They know it's staged, and the experience is lost upon them, except for the occasional hot piece of ass like John Cena or Randy Orton. Remove those guys, and the folks here just don't care for rasslin.'

So if (big IF) this cat is gay, you'll understand that many here don't care for the theatrics.

Hello,
Sorry for my recent absence from this board. Life has been real hectic for me the last week or so. Anyway, as you can read on my blogs at www.myspace.com/chriskanyon a lot has been happening in my life/career this past week or so. I did reveal myself, Chris Klucsarits, to be legitimately openly gay this past Sunday in Orlando Florida at the Universal City Walk Hard Rock Live venue, at a national Pay Per View taping after a match with former WCW World Heavyweight Champion, DDP, Diamond Dallas Page, which I believe will air nationally on PPV in April. Once the date is known for sure, I will post it. WCW was an AOL Time Warner/Ted Turner owned wrestling group named World Championship Wrestling, which aired on TBS and TNT and was ultimately bought by the WWE’s Vince McMahon in 2001.
The match went very well, and, the announcement was handled with a tremendous amount of class and respect by both DDP and by the fans in attendance. It was a very emotional night for me, and I am glad I was given the opportunity to do this and I definitely have no regrets at all about anything I have done or said in the past month concerning this topic.
The main reason for the month long ambiguity between the sexuality of the character, Kanyon, and the sexuality of me, Chris Klucsarits, the person portraying the character is as follows: I initially made the announcement of Kanyon, the character, being gay to get the buzz started and to try and get some anticipation built up. I was hoping to sign with Vince McMahon’s WWE or Spike TV/ Jeff Jarrett/Panda energy’s NWA TNA wrestling group before making the official announcement that I, Chris Klucsarits, the person playing the wrestling character Kanyon, was gay, so that I could possibly get more attention/publicity for the company I was working for, and on the flip-side, that the announcement itself would get more publicity/attention by doing it thru one of the 2 promotions. And, if I did not get signed to a contract by the 3-5-06 PPV taping, than it was always my plan, from the beginning, to make the announcement at that taping. Now some people felt that I was making a mockery of the serious issue that I was dealing with or that I created a circus-like atmosphere or that I was deciding all along if I was going to really do this or not. None of that was ever my intention or my plan. I was hoping to sign with one of the companies prior to the announcement to maximize the impact of the announcement, but either way, I was going to come out.
However, like they say, timing is everything. I did speak with both the representatives of the WWE and of TNA prior to 3-5-06 about potentially signing a contract. Unfortunately, with the WWE’s biggest show of the year, their WrestleMania 22 PPV, coming up on April 2 and all the storylines already set and planned for that show, they told me that the timing just was not right for the WWE to introduce such a potentially controversial character or to sign such a potentially controversial wrestler at this time. When I talked with TNA, there seemed to be definite interest, although since then I have heard that Universal Studios and/or Spike TV may have had a problem with the nature of what we would be attempting to do. So, 3-5-06 came, I had no contract with the WWE or TNA, so I decided to officially make the announcement that I, Chris Klucsarits, the person who has been playing the wrestling character of Chris “Kanyon” since 1992, was in fact a legitimate homosexual. In doing so, to make things finally less confusing, the entire sexual history, sexuality and sexual preference as well as the wrestling career and wrestling history of Chris Kanyon and that of Chris Klucsarits are now identical, they are the same. From this point on, anytime I refer to myself here I will be referring to both Chris Kanyon and Chris Klucsarits, unless I otherwise note it.
If I confused anyone or upset them or offended them, please know and understand that that was never my intention. I want to continue to raise awareness and thus spark discussion and interest as I feel I have done the past month in issues of homosexuality, celebrity fame vs. privacy, journalistic integrity and reporting vs. knee jerk reaction and opinions as well as political, sociological and psychological issues that come along with all these topics and issues. If possible, I want an opportunity to help and to educate kids as well as adults on some aspects of all of this and to discuss with them all these issues and topics and perhaps be a role model or an inspiration to young, closeted or confused kids or adults who are able to find very few, if any, masculine athletic homosexuals in the mainstream public eye. If I can help anyone who is struggling or dealing with these topics and issues or with any of the topics, issues, problems and dilemmas that I dealt with up until now, I want to be able to do that in as many ways as possible. The journey this past month has been intriguing, entertaining and interesting as well as emotionally and physically draining. But it is far from over. And now, I look forward with anticipation to the fact that this journey will continue…..

Chris,

Congratulations. Personally I don't get the whole business with using different personas in wrestling. But, I guess that is part of the business and it's been that way for many decades. So continued good luck on the journey.

Just so there's no confusion: Joe in Philly, the character played on Outsports by me, Joe Guckin, the person who plays the character of Joe in Philly, is/am/are a legitimate homosexual, and I, Joe Guckin, the person who has been playing the character of Joe in Philly, the character who has been played on Outsports since 1990-something by me, Joe Guckin, the legitimate person who plays the character of Joe in Philly...

Seriously, WHO TALKS LIKE THIS????

Almost sounds like an attorney...the party of the first part hereby known as Mr.Doe,also known as John Doe,also known as John Doe Sr. Esq. et cetera,et cetera blah,blah,blah!

Answer: Bob Dole.

Bob Dole ain't a rassler'..he's got a gimp arm. Or, are you saying that this one of Bob's consulting gigs...writing "out" scripts for pro rasslin'?

McMahon must have given him some hellacious stock options.

No he's not a rassler, but does talk about himself in the 3rd person quite often.

Who talks like that? Kanyon talks like that.

Soooo Simon Sermon.Are you gonna tell us if you and Kanyon ever hooked up?! (Cue the dramatic music!)

Simon is not really my type.

i know i'm late in this thread (i didn't see it before), but in case Kanyon still reads this, the skid marks comment someone refered to was a match between Pat Patterson and the other stooge (who's name i forgot).

Patterson btw is gay in real life, and it's been known to most people for a long time.

Chris Kanyon and I were friends and I respect him professionally and did so personally as he was dealing with some difficult issues when he lived in Atlanta. Chris is a good guy and was fun to hang out with. I wish him the best of luck in his further endeavors and .......drum roll please, no we did not have sex we were friends.
Simon

Really?! He looks very attractive in the photos I've seen on the internet.So what is your type,Chris?

Like most things, especially subjective things, I feel levels of attraction or masculinity or sexual preference are not really 100% cut and dry. But, by picturing a sliding scale with 0 on one end and 10 on the other, all these things, I feel, can be given a different number value at different times. If 0 is being repulsed by someone, and 10 is being totally overwhelmed by attraction and lust to them, I would say my attraction level for Simon was about a 3 or so. He is a pretty good looking guy, although he is not as muscular as you would expect from an Independent Wrestler, at least in my opinion/xperience.
If “0” is complete "girl-like" femininity and 10 is total “manly man-ness,” I would give Simon, in my opinion, and this is subjective, and others may not agree, I would give him a 3.2. I tend to not have much in common with effeminate guys and I am, for some reason, less attracted physically to them. Plus, he is not very tall. My absolute perfect type is about 6 foot tall, blonde hair, blue eyes, 27-29 year old, very masculine, well built to fit and lean, and with a youthful face. I tend to get along better with and have more in common with guys who are not as into the stereotypical gay lifestyle/ gay type interests/ gay “scene.” I don’t like shopping, I don’t really have interest in theater or the arts, and I am not really a big fan of Will and Grace or Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or Queer as Folk. I think Simon is a guy who has more "stereotypical" type, tendencies and interests that I am normally sexually attracted to. But, he was a pretty nice guy and I did like hanging with him. But, I was not really attracted to him. However, I am sure I will find someone, now that I am out of the closet and now that I am so much happier in my life. in the near future. I really do believe that.

Thanks for the question and for your time, concern and consideration

Hey Chris,

Congrats on finally coming out. Just three friendly words of advice as you search for the man of your dreams:

GET. A. HAIRCUT.

wink

I just wanted to say that I had a very enlightening conversation with Simon on Tuesday. He is a very witty, intelligent, and perceptive individual. I have to admit, I was wary of his intentions, and thought this was another publicity stunt. After talking with him, those concerns were disspelled, pending futher interactions with the media (no offense, Simon...I believe you, but you'd be surprised....)

I think the best quote came from Simon. I asked him why he was doing this, despite other LGBT athletes doing this before him. He responded by comparing his actions to the Moon discovery by saying, "I would not be the first man to go to the moon but that shouldn't stop me from showing people that I could do it...People have to keep going to the moon to remember that it's still there and we shouldn't ignore it."

In short, I respect Simon because he isn't making this a huge spectacle....Simon, Hatzlacha Raba (that's Hebrew for, "Lots of success")! I hope you can educate others by NOT being a huge DRAMA QUEEN , and just go out there and "do your thing". You've got my vote and support....

I don't care to shop, I've never watched an episode of will and grace and I don't think of myself as stereotypical anything. Kanyon's post was a thumb to the eye. I have yet to take a cheap shot, why don't you stop.
Simon

Are you speaking as Chris Kanyon, the character played by Chris Klucsarits, or are you speaking as Chris Klucsarits, the person who plays the character Chris Kanyon? And does Chris the character and Chris the person have the same interests, attractions, etc.?

i honestly don't get how coming out on a gay website would be an "angle" or a "storyline".
It may be, or it might not be, i just don't understand how that would help the character in a wrestling plot.

i do believe that the guy (not the character) is gay, but i really don't get why he has not come out and said it yet. There really is no point in just hiding it for fun.

I'm just having a hard time understanding the motivations behind the whole thing on here. He seems like a reasonable and intelligent guy, and i guess maybe it's fun to keep people guessing?? :confused:

[ March 09, 2006, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Leph75 ]

What are you,some kind of roving reporter,now?! wink wink wink XOX

Could someone PLEASE give me a Playbill so I can keep up with who is playing whom?

Simon, you say my post was a thumb in the eye and than you say you are yet to take a cheap shot and ask why I dont stop. I'll be honest, I didn't mean it as a cheap shot and I read it now, and I dont see my post as a cheap shot or a thumb in the eye. Someone asked if we fooled around and someone asked what my type was. I said I like masculine guys, and made A POINT of saying someone percieving someone as feminine is subjuctive, but I felt you were more feminine than the guys I am normally attracted to. Please point out how my post was a cheap shot or thumb in the eye. I was talking more about what I normally am or am not physically attracted to (which I feel I have little if any control over) as opposed to how I percieved you. So please, tell me why you took it so personal or why you think I meant it that way. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough and hurt or insulted you with my post.

Sincerely,
Chris "Kanyon" Klucsarits

Joe, if you read my post from March 06, 2006 11:20 PM you would see I posted the following: " From this point on, anytime I refer to myself here I will be referring to both Chris Kanyon and Chris Klucsarits, unless I otherwise note it." Hope that clears things up. If you are wondering why the ambiguity prior to my announcement in Universal Studios, Orlando on March 5, please read my entire post on here from March 06, 2006 11:20 PM, and maybe you will not be so confused.
Thanks,
Chris "Kanyon" Klucsarits

Please read my post posted March 06, 2006, 11:20 PM..... "From this point on, anytime I refer to myself here I will be referring to both Chris Kanyon and Chris Klucsarits, unless I otherwise note it." The reason for that Is Chris Klucsarits and Kanyon are pretty much one and the same now. Please read the entire March 06, 2006, 11:20 PM post and I hope that clears things up for everyone. Guessing is no longer necessary. Chris Klucsarits and Chris Kanyon are both openly gay, PERIOD. Not sure I can be more clear than that.

[ March 10, 2006, 05:10 AM: Message edited by: ChrisKanyon ]

Well, I think you were being ironical, but I will say this: I have and continue to post on Outsports.com using only this name, ChrisKanyon. To try and make things less confusing, I posted on here on March 06, 2006, 11:20 PM and in that post said, "From this point on, anytime I refer to myself here I will be referring to both Chris Kanyon" (the charcter I wrestle as), "AND Chris Klucsarits," (my real name), "unless I otherwise note it." Basically, unless otherwise noted, please consider Kanyon and Chris Klucsarits the same "person." I hope this clears things up, but I am afraid it may not LOL

[ March 10, 2006, 05:20 AM: Message edited by: ChrisKanyon ]

I wonder what GmgSFO and MIMatt think about this.

Does that mean that you don't find this entertaining?! wink wink

God I am so glad someone finally asked this question.

Aubster thinks this is a vast WWF conspiracy to lure the gays and all of our disposable income to watch their brand of theatre. Recently, they heard that gays had lots of $$$ and liked seeing menses half naked, sweaty and grabbin on up on each other...kinda like a circuit party.

So, we've got some plants on here to lure us watching. Only a few problems with that like, we're not 10 and don't believe the stuff; for the most part, we're all educated and educated folks really don't watch this stuff; if I'm going to pay money to see half naked men wrestle each other, I'm going to see fully naked men wrasslin' each other; and lastly, it's just not that interesting.

It just cracks me up that, when every single solitary aspect of this form of wrestling is scripted and planned and preordained, we are supposed to treat this like some landmark in the gay rights movement. If this guy is really gay and out and proud, good for him. But to think of this along the lines of an NFL or MLB player coming out during his career, or Martina Navratilova or Amelie Mauresmo coming out, is just silly.

Wait a minute......gays have lots of money?! Damn! I can't do anything right!!