Professional wrestler Chris Kanyon, who wrestled in WCW and later held the WWF tag-team championship with Diamond Dallas Page, announced that he is gay at a recent indy show in Sudbury, Ontario. He has also posted the following message at his Web site:
http://www.chriskanyon.homestead.com/commentary1.html
Apparently he's hedging, and given the scripted nature of pro wrestling, it could just be a storyline, but if it's not, he would be the most high-profile pro wrestler to come out while he was still active. (There are two other openly gay indy wrestlers, Simon Sermon and Terrance "Spiderbaby" Griep; former WWF Intercontinental Champion Pat Patterson was outed during the federation's steroid/sexual harrassment scandal in the early ’90s.)
Editor's note from Jim:
On March 31 we posted Chris' coming out story. Not the character he plays, but the real person. This should clear up any confusion.
[ March 31, 2006, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: Jim at Outsports ]
Full Version: Former WWF star comes out
the opening line is one of the funniest things I've read here on Outsports:
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CHRIS KANYON IS THE FIRST EVER OPENLY GAY ACTIVE PRO ATHLETE IN THE FIVE MAJOR MALE US SPORTS OF PRO BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, WRESTLING, FOOTBALL OR HOCKEY.
Though I'm not sure which is funnier, icluding wrestling in the list or including hockey.
Suspicious of a spoof, I've verified that Chris Kanyon's "commentary" is linked from his homepage.
On the other hand, he writes "the pro wrestling character known as Kanyon" is openly gay, but Chris Klucsarits (his real name) hedges: "...ultimately, and probably more sooner than later, I will tell the truth about the sexuality of me, Chris Klucsarits, the man behind the Kanyon character."
Another pro wrestling publicity stunt?
On the other hand, he writes "the pro wrestling character known as Kanyon" is openly gay, but Chris Klucsarits (his real name) hedges: "...ultimately, and probably more sooner than later, I will tell the truth about the sexuality of me, Chris Klucsarits, the man behind the Kanyon character."
Another pro wrestling publicity stunt?
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KingChildress:
the opening line is one of the funniest things I've read here on Outsports:
Including Wrestling in that group is much funnier!
the opening line is one of the funniest things I've read here on Outsports:
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CHRIS KANYON IS THE FIRST EVER OPENLY GAY ACTIVE PRO ATHLETE IN THE FIVE MAJOR MALE US SPORTS OF PRO BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, WRESTLING, FOOTBALL OR HOCKEY.
Though I'm not sure which is funnier, icluding wrestling in the list or including hockey. QUOTE
fenwayguy:
Suspicious of a spoof, I've verified that Chris Kanyon's \"commentary\" is linked from his homepage.
On the other hand, he writes \"the pro wrestling character known as Kanyon\" is openly gay, but Chris Klucsarits (his real name) hedges: \"...ultimately, and probably more sooner than later, I will tell the truth about the sexuality of me, Chris Klucsarits, the man behind the Kanyon character.\"
Another pro wrestling publicity stunt?
Obviously. Not worth even discussing. Frankly, I hope he gets hit in the head with a chair.
Suspicious of a spoof, I've verified that Chris Kanyon's \"commentary\" is linked from his homepage.
On the other hand, he writes \"the pro wrestling character known as Kanyon\" is openly gay, but Chris Klucsarits (his real name) hedges: \"...ultimately, and probably more sooner than later, I will tell the truth about the sexuality of me, Chris Klucsarits, the man behind the Kanyon character.\"
Another pro wrestling publicity stunt?
It's not a publicity stunt after all, apparently—Simon Sermon, an openly gay indy wrestler in Georgia, outed him online yesterday:
http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?a...03&user=gwtkpro
http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?a...03&user=gwtkpro
even if it is a stunt ... guy's got balls
Has Randy Orton come out?
Hello. My name is Chris Klucsarits, AKA Chris Kanyon, the former WCW and WWE professional wrestler who “came out” a few weeks ago on a wrestling show in Canada. For those of you who are interested in this, please check out my MySpace at www.myspace.com/chriskanyon . In the comments section on the right side of the page under my “Friends” section, I will post my username on here to confirm this is really me. You can also check my webpage at www.ChrisKanyon.com for more info on me and my career. On my MySpace, you can read all my blogs which explain why and how I have done what I have done up to this point. But, please keep in mind, I am not done. Everything I have done so far has been very well thought out and planned. And I definitely plan on pursuing this more. The LAST thing I want to do is to offend anyone. If you are offended but have not read my blogs, please read them first before posting here. I will check this message thread often to see what you guys/gals think. But please don’t jump to conclusions or make assumptions about my motives or my agenda. I promise you this is not just a publicity stunt to get my name back out there and to get another contract. I have very strong views and opinions on many subjects/topics including all things affecting homosexuality, gay marriage/civil unions, gay rights, nature vs. nurture, as well as sociology, psychology, religion and politics and how they affect and relate to homosexuality. My character and/or I will be as true to these views/beliefs as I can be at all times. Please feel free to post responses here or on my MySpace. Thanks for your time and consideration.
Chris
Chris
To confirm this is really me, Pro Wrestler, Chris Kanyon, aka Chris Klucsarits, check my MySpace at www.myspace.com/chriskanyon and under the Blog section is a section called Chris Kanyon's Blurbs. In the section, I listed my OutSports Username.
So now pro wrestlers are competing for first place coming out.
Somehow I think that's progress.
If they want to discuss on the OS Board I guess my first question would be:
What do you guys think of RealPro wrestling and have you considered trying to compete there? I'd also be curious about steroid use in the WWF.
Somehow I think that's progress.
If they want to discuss on the OS Board I guess my first question would be:
What do you guys think of RealPro wrestling and have you considered trying to compete there? I'd also be curious about steroid use in the WWF.
I can't speak for all wrestlers, but I can say that I personally love the amateur style of wrestling as well as UFC and Mixed Martial Arts. The Undertaker is a HUGE UFC fan. I just started training Jiu Jitsu and am loving it. As far as steroid use, I haven't been with the WWE since May 2003, but I would say steroid use in wrestling is probably very similar to that of other sports, although I hear Vince McMahon has just hired an OUTSIDE company to do all of the drug testing so I would guess the level of the use of all drugs in the WWE will drop dramatically below levels of "mainstream" sports.
As far as us competing to be the first athletes to come out in this country, as far as the issues of coming out in a sport, wrestling shares many things in common with the mainstream sports: sharing a locker room, a macho ideal about our "sport," and we put our health and bodies in the hands of our "teamates/opponents." Actually it is more risky for a wrestler to come out because #1 unlike other sports, there are no other major "teams" to hire you if a wrestler faces discrimination from higher ups and #2 a wrestler is totally vulnerable to serious injury at any time during a match..no equipment, tends to leave himself open to his "opponent."
As far as us competing to be the first athletes to come out in this country, as far as the issues of coming out in a sport, wrestling shares many things in common with the mainstream sports: sharing a locker room, a macho ideal about our "sport," and we put our health and bodies in the hands of our "teamates/opponents." Actually it is more risky for a wrestler to come out because #1 unlike other sports, there are no other major "teams" to hire you if a wrestler faces discrimination from higher ups and #2 a wrestler is totally vulnerable to serious injury at any time during a match..no equipment, tends to leave himself open to his "opponent."
Posted by eddiecat (Member # 3325) on February 19, 2006, 02:50 PM:
Coming out in the WWE,WWF or WCW etc. does not equate a ringing endorsement.In fact I seem to remember some very offensive topics such as a mockery of an attempted gay committment ceremony that went terribly wrong much to the amusement of the audience.Wasn't there also a very strange character by the name of
"Gold Dust" who was supposedly gay.I don't think that career lasted very long or maybe it did???
Anyway these shows are in the same category as "Jerry Springer" in other words offensive,obnoxious and an overall embarassment to the entertainment world.
Coming out in the WWE,WWF or WCW etc. does not equate a ringing endorsement.In fact I seem to remember some very offensive topics such as a mockery of an attempted gay committment ceremony that went terribly wrong much to the amusement of the audience.Wasn't there also a very strange character by the name of
"Gold Dust" who was supposedly gay.I don't think that career lasted very long or maybe it did???
Anyway these shows are in the same category as "Jerry Springer" in other words offensive,obnoxious and an overall embarassment to the entertainment world.
eddiecat (Member # 3325)wrote:
******* "I seem to remember some very offensive topics such as a mockery of an attempted gay committment ceremony that went terribly wrong much to the amusement of the audience." ********
What exactly was offensive to you about that storyline? Many gay groups were happy with that storyline as the characters featured in it were very masculine and non-stereotypical. They were occasionally put in ambiguous positions for comedy purposes (like the ambiguous gay duo of Saturday Night Live cartoon fame), but overall it was less sterotypical than the characters in Birdcage or Best in Show. The payoff to the marriage storyline was the one way to get away with the characters not being gay, which perhaps the wrestlers playing the characters were not ok with. Either way, I would be interested in knowing what specifically personally offended you.
You also wrote: ******* "Wasn't there also a very strange character by the name of
"Gold Dust" who was supposedly gay.I don't think that career lasted very long or maybe it did???" *********
There was (and still is, ironically), a charcter named Golddust. He is/was a very complex character, initially introduced many years ago with its emphasis on Hollywood or maybee HollyWeird. He was played and still is played by son of Dusty Rhodes, Dustin Rhodes. He was dressed all in gold with gold face paint, I believe to kind of represent the "Oscar". He used movie quotes in his interviews that fit in with whatever storyline he was in. He was made somewhat asexual at first, coming out to the ring with a very hot girl, Terri Runnels, Dustin's real life wife at the time. The character thru the years went through many changes, at times very much insinuating it was gay, at other times just insinuating complete sexual freedom which included many fetishes. He returned last month at the WWE's Royal Rumble PPV, and at a TV taping or 2 afterward. Doesn't look like they were playing up the gay aspect of his character. Once again, how and why did this character offend you?
You than finish with, ****** "Anyway these shows are in the same category as "Jerry Springer" in other words offensive,obnoxious and an overall embarassment to the entertainment world." ******
Again, I would like to know what you find so offensive and obnoxious about pro wrestling. And why do you feel wrestling is an embarassment? I will be the first to admit, when it comes to homosexuality, that pro wrestling, in general, has been very stereotypical and not very creative. That is part of the reason I am doing what I am doing. I feel my approach, thus far, and my plans for the future are very different, creative and thought provoking. But, of course, this is all new. There is no rule-book or set of directions on how best to do it. So I am on here looking for help, advice and assurance that what I am doing (not what Pro Wrestling has done in the past) is not offending anyone. Thanks for your time and consideration, and thanks, eddiecat (Member # 3325), for your initial post.
Chris "Kanyon" Klucsarits
******* "I seem to remember some very offensive topics such as a mockery of an attempted gay committment ceremony that went terribly wrong much to the amusement of the audience." ********
What exactly was offensive to you about that storyline? Many gay groups were happy with that storyline as the characters featured in it were very masculine and non-stereotypical. They were occasionally put in ambiguous positions for comedy purposes (like the ambiguous gay duo of Saturday Night Live cartoon fame), but overall it was less sterotypical than the characters in Birdcage or Best in Show. The payoff to the marriage storyline was the one way to get away with the characters not being gay, which perhaps the wrestlers playing the characters were not ok with. Either way, I would be interested in knowing what specifically personally offended you.
You also wrote: ******* "Wasn't there also a very strange character by the name of
"Gold Dust" who was supposedly gay.I don't think that career lasted very long or maybe it did???" *********
There was (and still is, ironically), a charcter named Golddust. He is/was a very complex character, initially introduced many years ago with its emphasis on Hollywood or maybee HollyWeird. He was played and still is played by son of Dusty Rhodes, Dustin Rhodes. He was dressed all in gold with gold face paint, I believe to kind of represent the "Oscar". He used movie quotes in his interviews that fit in with whatever storyline he was in. He was made somewhat asexual at first, coming out to the ring with a very hot girl, Terri Runnels, Dustin's real life wife at the time. The character thru the years went through many changes, at times very much insinuating it was gay, at other times just insinuating complete sexual freedom which included many fetishes. He returned last month at the WWE's Royal Rumble PPV, and at a TV taping or 2 afterward. Doesn't look like they were playing up the gay aspect of his character. Once again, how and why did this character offend you?
You than finish with, ****** "Anyway these shows are in the same category as "Jerry Springer" in other words offensive,obnoxious and an overall embarassment to the entertainment world." ******
Again, I would like to know what you find so offensive and obnoxious about pro wrestling. And why do you feel wrestling is an embarassment? I will be the first to admit, when it comes to homosexuality, that pro wrestling, in general, has been very stereotypical and not very creative. That is part of the reason I am doing what I am doing. I feel my approach, thus far, and my plans for the future are very different, creative and thought provoking. But, of course, this is all new. There is no rule-book or set of directions on how best to do it. So I am on here looking for help, advice and assurance that what I am doing (not what Pro Wrestling has done in the past) is not offending anyone. Thanks for your time and consideration, and thanks, eddiecat (Member # 3325), for your initial post.
Chris "Kanyon" Klucsarits
Nice to see the subject of the story posting here on Outsports. Welcome Chris.
Frank
Frank
Thanks Frank
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ChrisKanyon:
eddiecat (Member # 3325)wrote:
******* \"I seem to remember some very offensive topics such as a mockery of an attempted gay committment ceremony that went terribly wrong much to the amusement of the audience.\" ********
What exactly was offensive to you about that storyline? Many gay groups were happy with that storyline as the characters featured in it were very masculine and non-stereotypical. They were occasionally put in ambiguous positions for comedy purposes (like the ambiguous gay duo of Saturday Night Live cartoon fame), but overall it was less sterotypical than the characters in Birdcage or Best in Show. The payoff to the marriage storyline was the one way to get away with the characters not being gay, which perhaps the wrestlers playing the characters were not ok with. Either way, I would be interested in knowing what specifically personally offended you.
You also wrote: ******* \"Wasn't there also a very strange character by the name of
\"Gold Dust\" who was supposedly gay.I don't think that career lasted very long or maybe it did???\" *********
There was (and still is, ironically), a charcter named Golddust. He is/was a very complex character, initially introduced many years ago with its emphasis on Hollywood or maybee HollyWeird. He was played and still is played by son of Dusty Rhodes, Dustin Rhodes. He was dressed all in gold with gold face paint, I believe to kind of represent the \"Oscar\". He used movie quotes in his interviews that fit in with whatever storyline he was in. He was made somewhat asexual at first, coming out to the ring with a very hot girl, Terri Runnels, Dustin's real life wife at the time. The character thru the years went through many changes, at times very much insinuating it was gay, at other times just insinuating complete sexual freedom which included many fetishes. He returned last month at the WWE's Royal Rumble PPV, and at a TV taping or 2 afterward. Doesn't look like they were playing up the gay aspect of his character. Once again, how and why did this character offend you?
You than finish with, ****** \"Anyway these shows are in the same category as \"Jerry Springer\" in other words offensive,obnoxious and an overall embarassment to the entertainment world.\" ******
Again, I would like to know what you find so offensive and obnoxious about pro wrestling. And why do you feel wrestling is an embarassment? I will be the first to admit, when it comes to homosexuality, that pro wrestling, in general, has been very stereotypical and not very creative. That is part of the reason I am doing what I am doing. I feel my approach, thus far, and my plans for the future are very different, creative and thought provoking. But, of course, this is all new. There is no rule-book or set of directions on how best to do it. So I am on here looking for help, advice and assurance that what I am doing (not what Pro Wrestling has done in the past) is not offending anyone. Thanks for your time and consideration, and thanks, eddiecat (Member # 3325), for your initial post.
Chris \"Kanyon\" Klucsarits
It was very clear that the intention was not to forward the gay cause with that ceremony.The audience was not for it and it was not taken seriously at all.As far as the offensive part,my friend told me that there was actually a match where two guys fought in their underwear and basically the camera focused on the "skid marks" on both wrestler"s underwear.Yuck!!Don't even get me started with that Rakeeshi(sp?)guy.If I want to see someone put their ass in someone's face I'll rent a porno movie.Why do these people take their kids to see this?! That is really just the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned.eddiecat (Member # 3325)wrote:
******* \"I seem to remember some very offensive topics such as a mockery of an attempted gay committment ceremony that went terribly wrong much to the amusement of the audience.\" ********
What exactly was offensive to you about that storyline? Many gay groups were happy with that storyline as the characters featured in it were very masculine and non-stereotypical. They were occasionally put in ambiguous positions for comedy purposes (like the ambiguous gay duo of Saturday Night Live cartoon fame), but overall it was less sterotypical than the characters in Birdcage or Best in Show. The payoff to the marriage storyline was the one way to get away with the characters not being gay, which perhaps the wrestlers playing the characters were not ok with. Either way, I would be interested in knowing what specifically personally offended you.
You also wrote: ******* \"Wasn't there also a very strange character by the name of
\"Gold Dust\" who was supposedly gay.I don't think that career lasted very long or maybe it did???\" *********
There was (and still is, ironically), a charcter named Golddust. He is/was a very complex character, initially introduced many years ago with its emphasis on Hollywood or maybee HollyWeird. He was played and still is played by son of Dusty Rhodes, Dustin Rhodes. He was dressed all in gold with gold face paint, I believe to kind of represent the \"Oscar\". He used movie quotes in his interviews that fit in with whatever storyline he was in. He was made somewhat asexual at first, coming out to the ring with a very hot girl, Terri Runnels, Dustin's real life wife at the time. The character thru the years went through many changes, at times very much insinuating it was gay, at other times just insinuating complete sexual freedom which included many fetishes. He returned last month at the WWE's Royal Rumble PPV, and at a TV taping or 2 afterward. Doesn't look like they were playing up the gay aspect of his character. Once again, how and why did this character offend you?
You than finish with, ****** \"Anyway these shows are in the same category as \"Jerry Springer\" in other words offensive,obnoxious and an overall embarassment to the entertainment world.\" ******
Again, I would like to know what you find so offensive and obnoxious about pro wrestling. And why do you feel wrestling is an embarassment? I will be the first to admit, when it comes to homosexuality, that pro wrestling, in general, has been very stereotypical and not very creative. That is part of the reason I am doing what I am doing. I feel my approach, thus far, and my plans for the future are very different, creative and thought provoking. But, of course, this is all new. There is no rule-book or set of directions on how best to do it. So I am on here looking for help, advice and assurance that what I am doing (not what Pro Wrestling has done in the past) is not offending anyone. Thanks for your time and consideration, and thanks, eddiecat (Member # 3325), for your initial post.
Chris \"Kanyon\" Klucsarits
[ February 20, 2006, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: eddiecat ]
Member Eddiecat wrote:
******* "It was very clear that the intention was not to forward the gay cause with that ceremony.The audience was not for it and it was not taken seriously at all." ******
Unfortunately, the writers and the wrestlers and Vince McMahon sometimes have little control over how an audience takes to a storyline. The wedding was presented in a serious manner, but the fans started booing. Maybe it was the town, maybe it was that they wanted to see wrestling and not a wedding, but for whatever the reason, during the wedding, they booed. The ironic part was, Chuck and Billy were good guys or "babyfaces" or fan favorites going into the wedding, making the fans reaction even odder. I have a gut feeling you never saw the wedding or much, if any, of the story leading up to the wedding. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is my guess. What is "forwarding the gay cause" as you put it, and how do you know that was not Vince McMahon’s intention?
Than you wrote:
****** "As far as the offensive part, my friend told me that there was actually a match where two guys fought in their underwear and basically the camera focused on the "skid marks" on both wrestler"s underwear.Yuck!!" *******
I watch a lot of wrestling...it is a major part of my life...I must admit I dont remember this...not sure how or why you would believe your friends account of this and more importantly, not sure how that relates to homosexuality. And if you didn't see it, not sure how that could offend you. Do you hate movies too...I am sure movies have shown "skid marks" as well... I do not write off the entire movie industry because a few movies were bad or disgusted me or offended me. Why do you write off wrestling?
****** "Don't even get me started with that Rakeeshi(sp?)guy.If I want to see someone put their ass in someone's face I'll rent a porno movie." *******
Rikishi was never portrayed as a gay character. A 400 pound sweaty stranger's ass in your face, in many people's opinion (just watch and listen to the crowd) was funny and entertaining. It was the character Rikishi's way of insulting his opponent. Definitely not a shot at gay people. He did it to men and women alike and I believe even Vince McMahon had him do it to him. Maybe it is not your brand of humor or entertainment, but to discount it and all who enjoy it just because you dont like it is, in my opinion, close-minded and egocentric.
**** "Why do these idiots take their kids to see this trash?! That is really just the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned" ******
Maybe their kids enjoy it. Maybe the parents use wrestling to help them teach kids the basic morals of good ultimately triumphing over bad, but that sometimes bad things do happen to good people. A parent can use anything to teach kids real valuable lessons, especially if the kids like what they are using. Maybe the parents are smart enough to stress to the kids that the wrestlers are "acting" and that it is a "show" like a sitcom or a movie or cartoon. Anything that kids and parents can watch and learn and teach from together, in my opinion, is a good thing.
Funny that you dont pick apart my posts like I do yours. After giving you the details of the Golddust character, you didn't come back and say anything like, "you are right, I did not know that much about the character.." or anything for that matter. By breaking up your posts and answering each section individually, I answer your questions and ask you to back up what you say...maybe you are afraid of this approach? If so, I wonder why.
Thanks again for your time, consideration, and your post...
Chris "Kanyon" Klucsarits
******* "It was very clear that the intention was not to forward the gay cause with that ceremony.The audience was not for it and it was not taken seriously at all." ******
Unfortunately, the writers and the wrestlers and Vince McMahon sometimes have little control over how an audience takes to a storyline. The wedding was presented in a serious manner, but the fans started booing. Maybe it was the town, maybe it was that they wanted to see wrestling and not a wedding, but for whatever the reason, during the wedding, they booed. The ironic part was, Chuck and Billy were good guys or "babyfaces" or fan favorites going into the wedding, making the fans reaction even odder. I have a gut feeling you never saw the wedding or much, if any, of the story leading up to the wedding. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is my guess. What is "forwarding the gay cause" as you put it, and how do you know that was not Vince McMahon’s intention?
Than you wrote:
****** "As far as the offensive part, my friend told me that there was actually a match where two guys fought in their underwear and basically the camera focused on the "skid marks" on both wrestler"s underwear.Yuck!!" *******
I watch a lot of wrestling...it is a major part of my life...I must admit I dont remember this...not sure how or why you would believe your friends account of this and more importantly, not sure how that relates to homosexuality. And if you didn't see it, not sure how that could offend you. Do you hate movies too...I am sure movies have shown "skid marks" as well... I do not write off the entire movie industry because a few movies were bad or disgusted me or offended me. Why do you write off wrestling?
****** "Don't even get me started with that Rakeeshi(sp?)guy.If I want to see someone put their ass in someone's face I'll rent a porno movie." *******
Rikishi was never portrayed as a gay character. A 400 pound sweaty stranger's ass in your face, in many people's opinion (just watch and listen to the crowd) was funny and entertaining. It was the character Rikishi's way of insulting his opponent. Definitely not a shot at gay people. He did it to men and women alike and I believe even Vince McMahon had him do it to him. Maybe it is not your brand of humor or entertainment, but to discount it and all who enjoy it just because you dont like it is, in my opinion, close-minded and egocentric.
**** "Why do these idiots take their kids to see this trash?! That is really just the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned" ******
Maybe their kids enjoy it. Maybe the parents use wrestling to help them teach kids the basic morals of good ultimately triumphing over bad, but that sometimes bad things do happen to good people. A parent can use anything to teach kids real valuable lessons, especially if the kids like what they are using. Maybe the parents are smart enough to stress to the kids that the wrestlers are "acting" and that it is a "show" like a sitcom or a movie or cartoon. Anything that kids and parents can watch and learn and teach from together, in my opinion, is a good thing.
Funny that you dont pick apart my posts like I do yours. After giving you the details of the Golddust character, you didn't come back and say anything like, "you are right, I did not know that much about the character.." or anything for that matter. By breaking up your posts and answering each section individually, I answer your questions and ask you to back up what you say...maybe you are afraid of this approach? If so, I wonder why.
Thanks again for your time, consideration, and your post...
Chris "Kanyon" Klucsarits
When I first read "Chris" I thought Chris Jericho, who in my opinion, is quite the hottie along with John Cena. Damn, why can't they come out?
A wrestling journalist has posted on her message board that she knows of at least six gay wrestlers on the current WWE roster. She won't say who they are, but she says that people would be totally shocked if they knew.
Chris, welcome to the board. Quick (off-topic) question:
What do you think of the way the WWE is using Eddy Guerrero's death in its current storylines? I'm pretty disappointed myself, considering the tribute they gave him right after he died, but I can't say I'm all that surprised.
Chris, welcome to the board. Quick (off-topic) question:
What do you think of the way the WWE is using Eddy Guerrero's death in its current storylines? I'm pretty disappointed myself, considering the tribute they gave him right after he died, but I can't say I'm all that surprised.
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ChrisKanyon:
Member Eddiecat wrote:
******* \"It was very clear that the intention was not to forward the gay cause with that ceremony.The audience was not for it and it was not taken seriously at all.\" ******
Unfortunately, the writers and the wrestlers and Vince McMahon sometimes have little control over how an audience takes to a storyline. The wedding was presented in a serious manner, but the fans started booing. Maybe it was the town, maybe it was that they wanted to see wrestling and not a wedding, but for whatever the reason, during the wedding, they booed. The ironic part was, Chuck and Billy were good guys or \"babyfaces\" or fan favorites going into the wedding, making the fans reaction even odder. I have a gut feeling you never saw the wedding or much, if any, of the story leading up to the wedding. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is my guess. What is \"forwarding the gay cause\" as you put it, and how do you know that was not Vince McMahon’s intention?
Than you wrote:
****** \"As far as the offensive part, my friend told me that there was actually a match where two guys fought in their underwear and basically the camera focused on the \"skid marks\" on both wrestler\"s underwear.Yuck!!\" *******
I watch a lot of wrestling...it is a major part of my life...I must admit I dont remember this...not sure how or why you would believe your friends account of this and more importantly, not sure how that relates to homosexuality. And if you didn't see it, not sure how that could offend you. Do you hate movies too...I am sure movies have shown \"skid marks\" as well... I do not write off the entire movie industry because a few movies were bad or disgusted me or offended me. Why do you write off wrestling?
****** \"Don't even get me started with that Rakeeshi(sp?)guy.If I want to see someone put their ass in someone's face I'll rent a porno movie.\" *******
Rikishi was never portrayed as a gay character. A 400 pound sweaty stranger's ass in your face, in many people's opinion (just watch and listen to the crowd) was funny and entertaining. It was the character Rikishi's way of insulting his opponent. Definitely not a shot at gay people. He did it to men and women alike and I believe even Vince McMahon had him do it to him. Maybe it is not your brand of humor or entertainment, but to discount it and all who enjoy it just because you dont like it is, in my opinion, close-minded and egocentric.
**** \"Why do these idiots take their kids to see this trash?! That is really just the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned\" ******
Maybe their kids enjoy it. Maybe the parents use wrestling to help them teach kids the basic morals of good ultimately triumphing over bad, but that sometimes bad things do happen to good people. A parent can use anything to teach kids real valuable lessons, especially if the kids like what they are using. Maybe the parents are smart enough to stress to the kids that the wrestlers are \"acting\" and that it is a \"show\" like a sitcom or a movie or cartoon. Anything that kids and parents can watch and learn and teach from together, in my opinion, is a good thing.
Funny that you dont pick apart my posts like I do yours. After giving you the details of the Golddust character, you didn't come back and say anything like, \"you are right, I did not know that much about the character..\" or anything for that matter. By breaking up your posts and answering each section individually, I answer your questions and ask you to back up what you say...maybe you are afraid of this approach? If so, I wonder why.
Thanks again for your time, consideration, and your post...
Chris \"Kanyon\" Klucsarits
Chris,Member Eddiecat wrote:
******* \"It was very clear that the intention was not to forward the gay cause with that ceremony.The audience was not for it and it was not taken seriously at all.\" ******
Unfortunately, the writers and the wrestlers and Vince McMahon sometimes have little control over how an audience takes to a storyline. The wedding was presented in a serious manner, but the fans started booing. Maybe it was the town, maybe it was that they wanted to see wrestling and not a wedding, but for whatever the reason, during the wedding, they booed. The ironic part was, Chuck and Billy were good guys or \"babyfaces\" or fan favorites going into the wedding, making the fans reaction even odder. I have a gut feeling you never saw the wedding or much, if any, of the story leading up to the wedding. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is my guess. What is \"forwarding the gay cause\" as you put it, and how do you know that was not Vince McMahon’s intention?
Than you wrote:
****** \"As far as the offensive part, my friend told me that there was actually a match where two guys fought in their underwear and basically the camera focused on the \"skid marks\" on both wrestler\"s underwear.Yuck!!\" *******
I watch a lot of wrestling...it is a major part of my life...I must admit I dont remember this...not sure how or why you would believe your friends account of this and more importantly, not sure how that relates to homosexuality. And if you didn't see it, not sure how that could offend you. Do you hate movies too...I am sure movies have shown \"skid marks\" as well... I do not write off the entire movie industry because a few movies were bad or disgusted me or offended me. Why do you write off wrestling?
****** \"Don't even get me started with that Rakeeshi(sp?)guy.If I want to see someone put their ass in someone's face I'll rent a porno movie.\" *******
Rikishi was never portrayed as a gay character. A 400 pound sweaty stranger's ass in your face, in many people's opinion (just watch and listen to the crowd) was funny and entertaining. It was the character Rikishi's way of insulting his opponent. Definitely not a shot at gay people. He did it to men and women alike and I believe even Vince McMahon had him do it to him. Maybe it is not your brand of humor or entertainment, but to discount it and all who enjoy it just because you dont like it is, in my opinion, close-minded and egocentric.
**** \"Why do these idiots take their kids to see this trash?! That is really just the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned\" ******
Maybe their kids enjoy it. Maybe the parents use wrestling to help them teach kids the basic morals of good ultimately triumphing over bad, but that sometimes bad things do happen to good people. A parent can use anything to teach kids real valuable lessons, especially if the kids like what they are using. Maybe the parents are smart enough to stress to the kids that the wrestlers are \"acting\" and that it is a \"show\" like a sitcom or a movie or cartoon. Anything that kids and parents can watch and learn and teach from together, in my opinion, is a good thing.
Funny that you dont pick apart my posts like I do yours. After giving you the details of the Golddust character, you didn't come back and say anything like, \"you are right, I did not know that much about the character..\" or anything for that matter. By breaking up your posts and answering each section individually, I answer your questions and ask you to back up what you say...maybe you are afraid of this approach? If so, I wonder why.
Thanks again for your time, consideration, and your post...
Chris \"Kanyon\" Klucsarits
I did not mean it was just offensive to the gay community.I guess my main point was that just because you personally came out,it does not mean the the wrestling world is gay friendly.I don't know enough about "Golddust" to elaborate.I did see the episode with the committment ceremony and I'm sorry but it felt to me as if it were a comedy skit and totally insincere.I am not a regular viewer of any kind of wrestling because I don't like the overboard, soap opera style dialogue.Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish one episode from another.Obviously there is a large audience but personally this is not my kind of entertainment.Either way,good luck to you and I hope your coming out will be a totally positive experience for you.
Ed
Welcome Chris! And thanks for your thoughtful well-reasoned replies. I hope you'll hang out with us here and and on the other threads.
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eddie:
Why do these people take their kids to see this?! That is really just the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned.
I can say that as a kid growing up, I loved to go to wrestling events. Even though I knew it was all staged, it was pretty entertaining and a fun family outing.Why do these people take their kids to see this?! That is really just the tip of the iceberg as far as I'm concerned.
It's been a long time since I've watched wrestling live or on TV, but my neice (she's 14) LOVES to go to these events. She will talk them up for weeks in advance about her favorite wrestler and who she wants to win. If I remember correctly, it was wrestlemania? You'd think I'd remember after hearing about it for weeks! LOL
I did watch the wedding episode, but turned the channel relatively quickly after it failed to keep my interest. I took it as a gimick and that's what it delivered. Great for ratings draw, but that's where it ends.
Welcome Chris!
WWEFan writes: ****** "What do you think of the way the WWE is using Eddy Guerrero's death in its current storylines? I'm pretty disappointed myself, considering the tribute they gave him right after he died, but I can't say I'm all that surprised" ********
The knee-jerk reaction of most "smart" or Internet wrestling fans is to be offended or disappointed as you are. But I wonder how many people are really offended as opposed to feeling like they should be offended and thus think or say that they are. I think most people take offense to stuff in general not because it really offends them, but because they feel or have been taught that they should be offended by certain stuff. Are racial slurs really offensive? They are just words..groups of syllables. We have full control over if it offends us or not. Why take offense? What do we gain from it? When someone uses a racial slur, many times it is to try and offend someone. Why let the person "win" and take offense? As far as the Eddy Guerrero death used in storyline, why is this offensive? Eddy chose to be on TV and to be famous and to be used as a character. Why do you think that he would be upset that he would be continued to be used after his death? I know I wouldn't mind. Apparently, his wife doesn't mind, since she was on WWE PPV last night. His nephew Chavo and his friend Rey Mysterio apparently dont mind. So why should we? I think this country is too hung up on death. We mourn death when we should probably be celebrating it. Mourning death, in my opinion, is selfish. We are sad, not for the person who has passed, since most of us feel/believe that the person is either in a better place or just doesn't exist anymore. We actually mourn for ourselves, because we know we will miss them. Perhaps we mourn for the person's family, but they too should be happy and celebrate for their loved one who has passed if they believe they have gone on to a better place. I just find it odd that we have been "taught" to mourn death as opposed to celebrate it. Anyway, back to the question. I have no problem with them using Eddie's death in storyline, especially if his wife is cool with it. Actually, I would love for Chavo or Rey or Vicki (Vicky?), his wife, to talk about these topics on the air. But, I guess at least it forces some people to think about it/talk about it in places like this. I just wish more people would actually think about it before giving in to their knee-jerk reaction or what they feel like they SHOULD feel as opposed to what they actually feel/believe. (I am not accusing you, WWEFan, of this, although I would be interested to read your response to this post.) Anyway, hope I didn't come off as too preachy. Obviously, I have very strong and different opinions on many topics. Thanks, WWEFan, for your time, consideration and your question.
Chris "Kanyon" Klucsarits
The knee-jerk reaction of most "smart" or Internet wrestling fans is to be offended or disappointed as you are. But I wonder how many people are really offended as opposed to feeling like they should be offended and thus think or say that they are. I think most people take offense to stuff in general not because it really offends them, but because they feel or have been taught that they should be offended by certain stuff. Are racial slurs really offensive? They are just words..groups of syllables. We have full control over if it offends us or not. Why take offense? What do we gain from it? When someone uses a racial slur, many times it is to try and offend someone. Why let the person "win" and take offense? As far as the Eddy Guerrero death used in storyline, why is this offensive? Eddy chose to be on TV and to be famous and to be used as a character. Why do you think that he would be upset that he would be continued to be used after his death? I know I wouldn't mind. Apparently, his wife doesn't mind, since she was on WWE PPV last night. His nephew Chavo and his friend Rey Mysterio apparently dont mind. So why should we? I think this country is too hung up on death. We mourn death when we should probably be celebrating it. Mourning death, in my opinion, is selfish. We are sad, not for the person who has passed, since most of us feel/believe that the person is either in a better place or just doesn't exist anymore. We actually mourn for ourselves, because we know we will miss them. Perhaps we mourn for the person's family, but they too should be happy and celebrate for their loved one who has passed if they believe they have gone on to a better place. I just find it odd that we have been "taught" to mourn death as opposed to celebrate it. Anyway, back to the question. I have no problem with them using Eddie's death in storyline, especially if his wife is cool with it. Actually, I would love for Chavo or Rey or Vicki (Vicky?), his wife, to talk about these topics on the air. But, I guess at least it forces some people to think about it/talk about it in places like this. I just wish more people would actually think about it before giving in to their knee-jerk reaction or what they feel like they SHOULD feel as opposed to what they actually feel/believe. (I am not accusing you, WWEFan, of this, although I would be interested to read your response to this post.) Anyway, hope I didn't come off as too preachy. Obviously, I have very strong and different opinions on many topics. Thanks, WWEFan, for your time, consideration and your question.
Chris "Kanyon" Klucsarits
Welcome to the board. 
Hey Chris,
Hmm ... I guess I never thought about it that way before. (Gee, I sound like the conclusion of a "Brady Bunch" episode ...)
My immediate reaction to the "Eddy in hell" stuff was that it was tasteless, cheap, disrespectful, and exploitive, and honestly I can't help but think his family has misgivings about him being used this way. Then again, I didn't know him and you did—maybe he really wouldn't have wanted people sentimentalizing him after he was gone.
By the way, I only consider myself a "smart" fan only insofar as I know the matches are scripted. I take what the "dirt sheets" and message boards say with a grain of salt for the most part. I just enjoy wrestling for the over-the-top spectacle that it is. Oh, and for the hot guys. wink
Thanks for the reply!
Hmm ... I guess I never thought about it that way before. (Gee, I sound like the conclusion of a "Brady Bunch" episode ...)
My immediate reaction to the "Eddy in hell" stuff was that it was tasteless, cheap, disrespectful, and exploitive, and honestly I can't help but think his family has misgivings about him being used this way. Then again, I didn't know him and you did—maybe he really wouldn't have wanted people sentimentalizing him after he was gone.
By the way, I only consider myself a "smart" fan only insofar as I know the matches are scripted. I take what the "dirt sheets" and message boards say with a grain of salt for the most part. I just enjoy wrestling for the over-the-top spectacle that it is. Oh, and for the hot guys. wink
Thanks for the reply!
Wow. Outsports beat me to a gay wrestler story. Just for that you get the cheap plug. For your main source for gay professional wrestling.... wait for it.... you come to GayProWrestling.Com
Which is where many a gay wrestler has challenged many other a gay wrestler for being the 1st openly gay wrestler.
And Chris, yeah we all know this could just be a work. Or just the opposite. But if its a work it just detracts from the guys who actually worked their butts off in the closet for years in the pro wrestling world. If its not, youre one of the braver folks out there. But I dont think its right for anyone to use the "oh Im the first!" bs line in pro wrestling. You might be more famous, but certainly not the first.
But I dunno. Contact me if you want to. My website is very widely read. Who's better than Kanyon?!
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Which is where many a gay wrestler has challenged many other a gay wrestler for being the 1st openly gay wrestler.
And Chris, yeah we all know this could just be a work. Or just the opposite. But if its a work it just detracts from the guys who actually worked their butts off in the closet for years in the pro wrestling world. If its not, youre one of the braver folks out there. But I dont think its right for anyone to use the "oh Im the first!" bs line in pro wrestling. You might be more famous, but certainly not the first.
But I dunno. Contact me if you want to. My website is very widely read. Who's better than Kanyon?!
[ February 21, 2006, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: DallasUNC ]
DallasUNC writes:
******* "Which is where many a gay wrestler has challenged many other a gay wrestler for being the 1st openly gay wrestler..........But I dont think its right for anyone to use the "oh Im the first!" bs line in pro wrestling. You might be more famous, but certainly not the first." **********
In my initial "press release"/statement on me "coming out" I explained why I feel I am the "First ever active openly gay male athlete in the five major US pro sports of Baseball, Basketball, Wrestling, Football, or Hockey." Its all a matter of semantics and your definition of terms (i.e., openly gay, sport, PROFESSIONAL Wrestling). The reason that I feel I can lay claim to the first ever active openly gay Professional Wrestler is because I feel there is a difference between "Backyard Wrestlers, Independent Wrestlers, and Professional Wrestlers."
My definitions are as follows: Backyard Wrestler: has no formal training, does not regularly perform indoors, rather, most, if not all matches are in someone's backyard or in a public outdoor area, does not perform with a license, or under any athletic commission regulations. Professional Wrestler: a wrestler who has either made their full time living as a wrestler or has or has had a contract with a major wrestling company. Independent Wrestler: any wrestler who does not fit one of the above 2 definitions. Most perform only occasionally, usually on weekends for limited to minimal to no pay. They have never made their full time living as a wrestler and have never had a contract with a major wrestling company.
Because I truly believe these definitions and the differences between a Backyard, Independent, and Professional wrestler, I do believe that I AM the first ever openly gay active pro wrestler in this country. I believe the following is comparable: Heath Ledger is a Professional Actor who played a gay character in Brokeback Mountain. Someone who acts in a local production of a play on weekends for $50.00 a show in which he plays a gay character, in my opinion is not a "Professional Actor." Just because you get paid for something does not make you a professional. I am not saying that it is impossible that the person who does the "local weekend production" cannot be as good, if not better than Heath Ledger, but he is not really "a professional" and should not be claiming to be so. There is a reason Heath Ledger is on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and the "weekend acting warrior" is not.
For an independent wrestler to claim to be the first ever active openly gay wrestler in this country is a bold statement. By the nature of independent wrestling (usually very local and small promotions that do not last a long time), it would be very difficult, if not impossible to know if another independent wrestler was active and openly gay before you. There just have been too many independent wrestlers and too many independent shows and promotions in the last 20 to 50 to 100 years and virtually NO record keeping of these shows to accurately research who is truly the first ever active openly gay independent wrestler.
I am sure this can be argued either way, but I fully believe the definitions and explanation above and thus really believe that I am the first ever active openly gay Professional Wrestler in this country.
Thanks for your time and consideration,
Kanyon
******* "Which is where many a gay wrestler has challenged many other a gay wrestler for being the 1st openly gay wrestler..........But I dont think its right for anyone to use the "oh Im the first!" bs line in pro wrestling. You might be more famous, but certainly not the first." **********
In my initial "press release"/statement on me "coming out" I explained why I feel I am the "First ever active openly gay male athlete in the five major US pro sports of Baseball, Basketball, Wrestling, Football, or Hockey." Its all a matter of semantics and your definition of terms (i.e., openly gay, sport, PROFESSIONAL Wrestling). The reason that I feel I can lay claim to the first ever active openly gay Professional Wrestler is because I feel there is a difference between "Backyard Wrestlers, Independent Wrestlers, and Professional Wrestlers."
My definitions are as follows: Backyard Wrestler: has no formal training, does not regularly perform indoors, rather, most, if not all matches are in someone's backyard or in a public outdoor area, does not perform with a license, or under any athletic commission regulations. Professional Wrestler: a wrestler who has either made their full time living as a wrestler or has or has had a contract with a major wrestling company. Independent Wrestler: any wrestler who does not fit one of the above 2 definitions. Most perform only occasionally, usually on weekends for limited to minimal to no pay. They have never made their full time living as a wrestler and have never had a contract with a major wrestling company.
Because I truly believe these definitions and the differences between a Backyard, Independent, and Professional wrestler, I do believe that I AM the first ever openly gay active pro wrestler in this country. I believe the following is comparable: Heath Ledger is a Professional Actor who played a gay character in Brokeback Mountain. Someone who acts in a local production of a play on weekends for $50.00 a show in which he plays a gay character, in my opinion is not a "Professional Actor." Just because you get paid for something does not make you a professional. I am not saying that it is impossible that the person who does the "local weekend production" cannot be as good, if not better than Heath Ledger, but he is not really "a professional" and should not be claiming to be so. There is a reason Heath Ledger is on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and the "weekend acting warrior" is not.
For an independent wrestler to claim to be the first ever active openly gay wrestler in this country is a bold statement. By the nature of independent wrestling (usually very local and small promotions that do not last a long time), it would be very difficult, if not impossible to know if another independent wrestler was active and openly gay before you. There just have been too many independent wrestlers and too many independent shows and promotions in the last 20 to 50 to 100 years and virtually NO record keeping of these shows to accurately research who is truly the first ever active openly gay independent wrestler.
I am sure this can be argued either way, but I fully believe the definitions and explanation above and thus really believe that I am the first ever active openly gay Professional Wrestler in this country.
Thanks for your time and consideration,
Kanyon
Agreed that we could all argue the validity of who's "real" and who's not till the cows come home. Personally, I feel that just because someone hasn't made it to the big time or can't afford to make wrestling a full-time career doesn't mean that he or she isn't truly a professional wrestler. Some indy workers may do it just for fun, but others are just as dedicated to the business as those who've "made it." Fact is, only a tiny fraction of the men and women in pro wrestling are lucky enough to get their big break—especially now that the WWE is, for all intents and purposes, the only game in town. Plus, many of the indy promotions (like Ring of Honor) have fan bases that are just as loyal as those for the WWE.
On the other hand ... playing devil's advocate, I found this quote from Simon Sermon in an interview he gave for a Georgia newspaper that, in light of what he's been saying for the last week or two, makes it seem as if he's wanting things both ways:
"For me, it's a hobby, it's not a job. I'm going out there and I am thoroughly enjoying myself and having a great time. I have no aspirations of being a Hulk Hogan," Sermon said.
Anyway, Chris, you've definitely gotten a lot of people thinking. Thanks again for posting your thoughts here.
On the other hand ... playing devil's advocate, I found this quote from Simon Sermon in an interview he gave for a Georgia newspaper that, in light of what he's been saying for the last week or two, makes it seem as if he's wanting things both ways:
"For me, it's a hobby, it's not a job. I'm going out there and I am thoroughly enjoying myself and having a great time. I have no aspirations of being a Hulk Hogan," Sermon said.
Anyway, Chris, you've definitely gotten a lot of people thinking. Thanks again for posting your thoughts here.
Chris, I like others, applaud you for your honesty. But on your MySpace blog, you approach the situation with some ambiguity. I am wondering....if you won't say either way, what exactly IS your motivation behind this? This query may have already been answered, but my inquisitive nature is surfacing.
Also, I am modifying a writing sample. The first draft was sent to Cyd, but a friend saw it and suggested that I come from a different angle. I am wondering if you would like to assist? The topic is now, "Why does an athlete's sexual preference matter?" Is it financially motivated? Does SOMEONE reap the benefits if an athlete comes out of the closet? Any insight you have on this topic would be much appreciated. Thanks.
P.S. What's with all the cheezy music used by wrestlers when introducing themselves? I would like to hear some classic rock, like "School's Out For Summer", or "Saturday Night's (Alright For Fighting)"--but ONLY the original (Elton John) version, NOT the Kid Rock/Nickelback cover!
[ February 23, 2006, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: Falconpride ]
Also, I am modifying a writing sample. The first draft was sent to Cyd, but a friend saw it and suggested that I come from a different angle. I am wondering if you would like to assist? The topic is now, "Why does an athlete's sexual preference matter?" Is it financially motivated? Does SOMEONE reap the benefits if an athlete comes out of the closet? Any insight you have on this topic would be much appreciated. Thanks.
P.S. What's with all the cheezy music used by wrestlers when introducing themselves? I would like to hear some classic rock, like "School's Out For Summer", or "Saturday Night's (Alright For Fighting)"--but ONLY the original (Elton John) version, NOT the Kid Rock/Nickelback cover!
[ February 23, 2006, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: Falconpride ]
Chris I'm a huge pro-wrestling fan
I've follow your career for many years (I wish we could of seen Mortis in the WWE)
I support whatever decision you make..and I'm glad that you actually came to the outsports message board.
good luck in whatever you do man
-gilbert
I've follow your career for many years (I wish we could of seen Mortis in the WWE)
I support whatever decision you make..and I'm glad that you actually came to the outsports message board.
good luck in whatever you do man
-gilbert
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Falconpride:
Chris, I like others, applaud you for your honesty. But on your MySpace blog, you approach the situation with some ambiguity. I am wondering....if you won't say either way, what exactly IS your motivation behind this? This query may have already been answered, but my inquisitive nature is surfacing.
You applaud him for his honesty but with all this ambiguity, how do you know he's being honest?Chris, I like others, applaud you for your honesty. But on your MySpace blog, you approach the situation with some ambiguity. I am wondering....if you won't say either way, what exactly IS your motivation behind this? This query may have already been answered, but my inquisitive nature is surfacing.
He clearly states that "Chris Kanyon" is a character. So, who really cares if "Chris Kanyon" says he's gay? There are plenty of gay characters in the entertainment world. If he's gay in real life, let him say so once and for all. Then we'll really have something to applaud.
[quote]Joe in Philly:
[QUOTE]He clearly states that \"Chris Kanyon\" is a character. So, who really cares if \"Chris Kanyon\" says he's gay? There are plenty of gay characters in the entertainment world. If he's gay in real life, let him say so once and for all. Then we'll really have something to applaud. [/quote]Thank you for saying that, I completely agree. This thread has seemed to be a waste to me because I couldn't figure out if any one was really coming out, or it was just another storyline stunt.
[QUOTE]He clearly states that \"Chris Kanyon\" is a character. So, who really cares if \"Chris Kanyon\" says he's gay? There are plenty of gay characters in the entertainment world. If he's gay in real life, let him say so once and for all. Then we'll really have something to applaud. [/quote]Thank you for saying that, I completely agree. This thread has seemed to be a waste to me because I couldn't figure out if any one was really coming out, or it was just another storyline stunt.
Well,my understanding is that at the beginning of almost every WWE show some wrestler goes to center ring picks up the microphone and gives a little speech/performance/soliloquy(sp?) Anyway perhaps the WWE will let Chris step up to the mike and tell the whole WWE audience that he is gay.Of course we still won't know if it's the performer or the person who is coming out so I guess we're back to square one!He might have to have an affair with someone on this board to prove himself,maybe one of the wrestling fans. wink
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eddiecat:
Well,my understanding is that at the beginning of almost every WWE show some wrestler goes to center ring picks up the microphone and gives a little speech/performance/soliloquy(sp?) Anyway perhaps the WWE will let Chris step up to the mike and tell the whole WWE audience that he is gay.Of course we still won't know if it's the performer or the person who is coming out so I guess we're back to square one!He might have to have an affair with someone on this board to prove himself,maybe one of the wrestling fans. wink
Uh uh, bitch...he's mine! I saw him first! Well,my understanding is that at the beginning of almost every WWE show some wrestler goes to center ring picks up the microphone and gives a little speech/performance/soliloquy(sp?) Anyway perhaps the WWE will let Chris step up to the mike and tell the whole WWE audience that he is gay.Of course we still won't know if it's the performer or the person who is coming out so I guess we're back to square one!He might have to have an affair with someone on this board to prove himself,maybe one of the wrestling fans. wink
I am not a WWE fan Falcon,so I'm not fighting anyone on this but you might have to! 
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Falconpride:
I can see it now. Madison Square Garden. Eddiecat and Falconpride in the 1st homosexual cage match, with the winner getting a date with Chris Kanyon. And they can show it on *Raw* to make it even better QUOTE
eddiecat:
Well,my understanding is that at the beginning of almost every WWE show some wrestler goes to center ring picks up the microphone and gives a little speech/performance/soliloquy(sp?) Anyway perhaps the WWE will let Chris step up to the mike and tell the whole WWE audience that he is gay.Of course we still won't know if it's the performer or the person who is coming out so I guess we're back to square one!He might have to have an affair with someone on this board to prove himself,maybe one of the wrestling fans. wink
Uh uh, bitch...he's mine! I saw him first! Well,my understanding is that at the beginning of almost every WWE show some wrestler goes to center ring picks up the microphone and gives a little speech/performance/soliloquy(sp?) Anyway perhaps the WWE will let Chris step up to the mike and tell the whole WWE audience that he is gay.Of course we still won't know if it's the performer or the person who is coming out so I guess we're back to square one!He might have to have an affair with someone on this board to prove himself,maybe one of the wrestling fans. wink
It ain't happening Dallas! However there are some pro athletes I would fight for and I've made that very clear on this board. wink
Mr. FalconPride is too young and could probably beat the stuffing out of me! I did notice that he and I have the same birthday,though,so he must be an exceptional young man!(Even though he called me Bitch)
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Mr. FalconPride is too young and could probably beat the stuffing out of me! I did notice that he and I have the same birthday,though,so he must be an exceptional young man!(Even though he called me Bitch)
[ February 25, 2006, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: eddiecat ]
Just so you know, that's my birthday. I am generous enough in allowing you two to share it. wink
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eddiecat:
It ain't happening Dallas! However there are some pro athletes I would fight for and I've made that very clear on this board. wink
Mr. FalconPride is too young and could probably beat the stuffing out of me! I did notice that he and I have the same birthday,though,so he must be an exceptional young man!(Even though he called me Bitch)
Aww...I'm flattered, Eddie...although I'm sure you can give me a good challenge. Remember, age doesn't have much to do with fighting ability (unless you're 7 or 97, in that case, age IS MORE than a number). Also, in what part of Detroit do you reside, or are you in a suburb, like Oak Park or Southfield (yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the area)? I was just kidding about the bitch part, Eddie, I hope you realize that It ain't happening Dallas! However there are some pro athletes I would fight for and I've made that very clear on this board. wink
Mr. FalconPride is too young and could probably beat the stuffing out of me! I did notice that he and I have the same birthday,though,so he must be an exceptional young man!(Even though he called me Bitch)
. And do all three of us share the same birthday? Awesome! Go Taurus!
ya'll are born on the 20th.....good!
Means I got the 21st all to myself
Means I got the 21st all to myself
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Joe in Philly:
Just so you know, that's my birthday. I am generous enough in allowing you two to share it. wink
Ahem....since I'm older than both of you,I believe I am being the generous one. Just so you know, that's my birthday. I am generous enough in allowing you two to share it. wink
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Falconpride:
. And do all three of us share the same birthday? Awesome! Go Taurus!
I'm in the Corktown section of Detroit just one block south of the old Tiger stadium.Yes,I know you were kidding about the "Bitch" part otherwise I would not have attached the grin along with my response.Smooches. wink
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eddiecat:
It ain't happening Dallas! However there are some pro athletes I would fight for and I've made that very clear on this board. wink
Mr. FalconPride is too young and could probably beat the stuffing out of me! I did notice that he and I have the same birthday,though,so he must be an exceptional young man!(Even though he called me Bitch)
Aww...I'm flattered, Eddie...although I'm sure you can give me a good challenge. Remember, age doesn't have much to do with fighting ability (unless you're 7 or 97, in that case, age IS MORE than a number). Also, in what part of Detroit do you reside, or are you in a suburb, like Oak Park or Southfield (yes, I'm somewhat familiar with the area)? I was just kidding about the bitch part, Eddie, I hope you realize that It ain't happening Dallas! However there are some pro athletes I would fight for and I've made that very clear on this board. wink
Mr. FalconPride is too young and could probably beat the stuffing out of me! I did notice that he and I have the same birthday,though,so he must be an exceptional young man!(Even though he called me Bitch)
. And do all three of us share the same birthday? Awesome! Go Taurus! QUOTE
blueraider:
ya'll are born on the 20th.....good!
Means I got the 21st all to myself
Well, I'm going to Buffalo just to make you buy me a drink on my birthday and we'll keep drinking until it's your birthday! wink
ya'll are born on the 20th.....good!
Means I got the 21st all to myself
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eddiecat:
sounds good to me....Falcon, Eddie, JIP....get up here on the 20th(Buffalo seems to be somewhat central to Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Philly)....and we party all night....bars close at 4am here. A few hours for you guys and a few for me after midnite. wink
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blueraider:
ya'll are born on the 20th.....good!
Means I got the 21st all to myself
Well, I'm going to Buffalo just to make you buy me a drink on my birthday and we'll keep drinking until it's your birthday! wink ya'll are born on the 20th.....good!
Means I got the 21st all to myself
Woo-Hoo!!! Actually,since I'm going to be the big 45,I will be going up to my favorite Bed and Breakfast in Bellaire,MI. and spoil myself rotten.However,I'll make a toast to all of you,either at Short's Brewery or Lulu's Bistro or both.I'm sure a lot of people are wondering WTF this has to do with the WWE and Chris Kanyon.....oops.I guess it's kinda like the millions of times wrestlers are allowed to interfere with a match only this time were interfering with a thread.I hope I don't get disqualified. wink
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blueraider:
sounds good to me....Falcon, Eddie, JIP....get up here on the 20th
Sorry, but the NHL regular season ends on the 18th and I expect to be at game one of the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs on the 20th (unless they do something foolish like start the postseason on a Friday).sounds good to me....Falcon, Eddie, JIP....get up here on the 20th
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eddiecat:
Woo-Hoo!!! Actually,since I'm going to be the big 45,I will be going up to my favorite Bed and Breakfast in Bellaire,MI. and spoil myself rotten.However,I'll make a toast to all of you,either at Short's Brewery or Lulu's Bistro or both.
Happy birthday youngster. You have only five and a half years to catch me (assuming my new life-altering dietary regimen of a glass of wine per day will certainly stop my aging process. wink ) Cheers! Woo-Hoo!!! Actually,since I'm going to be the big 45,I will be going up to my favorite Bed and Breakfast in Bellaire,MI. and spoil myself rotten.However,I'll make a toast to all of you,either at Short's Brewery or Lulu's Bistro or both.
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Joe in Philly:
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Philly's first game of the playoffs could very well be in Buffalo.....QUOTE
blueraider:
sounds good to me....Falcon, Eddie, JIP....get up here on the 20th
Sorry, but the NHL regular season ends on the 18th and I expect to be at game one of the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs on the 20th (unless they do something foolish like start the postseason on a Friday).sounds good to me....Falcon, Eddie, JIP....get up here on the 20th
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just sayin'
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sportinlife:
It's still over 6 weeks away,Sport,but thanks anyway.That sounds like a great diet plan! QUOTE
eddiecat:
Woo-Hoo!!! Actually,since I'm going to be the big 45,I will be going up to my favorite Bed and Breakfast in Bellaire,MI. and spoil myself rotten.However,I'll make a toast to all of you,either at Short's Brewery or Lulu's Bistro or both.
Happy birthday youngster. You have only five and a half years to catch me (assuming my new life-altering dietary regimen of a glass of wine per day will certainly stop my aging process. wink ) Cheers! Woo-Hoo!!! Actually,since I'm going to be the big 45,I will be going up to my favorite Bed and Breakfast in Bellaire,MI. and spoil myself rotten.However,I'll make a toast to all of you,either at Short's Brewery or Lulu's Bistro or both.
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