In no particular order;
Vanderbilt
Wake
Duke
Baylor
Rutgers
Kansas
Indiana
Illinois
Ball State
C Michigan
E Michigan
W Michigan
Kent State
Ohio
Army
Navy
Temple
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Arkansas State
Middle Tennessee
La Monroe
La Lafayette
Rice
New Mexico State
San Jose State
Idaho

Now that I've pulled the pin on this grenade, please discuss. [runs away to avoid shrapnel]

The two I have the biggest beef with are Illinois and Navy.

The Illini have had modest success during the 80's and '90's and even into the beginning of this decade, they've even been to a BCS bowl within the last 5 years. So just because they've crashed in the last 5 years doesn't mean they can come back up in the next 5 years or so and bite the Big 10 in the ass or at least get to the Minny/Wiscy level.

Navy on the other hand has come off back-to-back bowl seasons and has a grasp of Paul Johnson's system. They may not become a power like back in the 40's or '50's but should be a tough out.

Replacement recommendations: UNLV, SMU

[ June 12, 2005, 07:49 AM: Message edited by: Breesboy ]

Hey, I'm just happy LA Tech wasn't on your list

How did Buffalo NOT make your list???

Since joining I-A as a member of the MAC in '99 they've racked up a total of 9 wins against 59 losses, and have lost by 30+ points SIXTEEN times!!

Maybe he mixed up the basketball and football program lol, or did what I did and forgot they were in 1A in the first place.

Probably, and with crowds at the last three home games here hovering in the 6K range I have to wonder how many people in these parts know that there's a D1A team in the area.

Hopefully, a recently released scathing report by NCAA guru Gene Corrigan will wake the Athletic powers that be there into running a better ship. Coach Witherspoon has worked wonders turning the hoops program into a respectable commodity as well as one that should have been in the dance this past season.

Actually I meant to include Buffalo, but I was so feverishly typing that I missed one. And I am unmoved by arguments to keep Navy.

Well, I would say UAB simply because of their fan support or SERIOUS lack thereof. If you can't draw fans to the game, there is no reason to be 1-A. I'm still not sure if Troy deserves to be in 1-A either; except that they do draw a crowd and have an uptick in the program.

[ June 12, 2005, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: Aubie in Bham ]

what if they beat Notre Dame for once?

I don't think Vandy should go to D-1AA. Mainly because then the SEC would lose the conference title game.

Not sure Kansas should be on this list. KU is definitely a program on the rise. And with AD Lew Perkins increasing the revenue poured into the program, this is a program to be reckoned with years to come.

Oh spare me the "program on the rise" shtick. If it doesn't work it for Navy, it won't work for Kansas.

I started this thread to make people think about who is "committed" and who isn't. Small programs like North Texas have more committment than someone like a Vanderbilt, or Duke. I can't even say "Duke" without spitting, as their pathetic attempt at 1-A football has been little more than a waste of money. In reality, Duke probably belongs in Division II.

Anyways, there are programs that should be euthanized. Of that we can all agree. Its just that I draw the cut-off point a little higher than others. So you wanna keep Navy? Well, that's your position. But at least we can all agree that there are 15+ programs that deserve the axe.

[ June 12, 2005, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: AU Tiger in ATL ]

Just wondering.. in what ways does a program like North Texas have a stronger committment than a Vanderbilt or Duke?

Investment, and the fact that a 1-A program doesn't eliminate it's Athletic Director's position.

Vandy does not have an athletic director, but we do have someone that fufills those functions. It is the same guy that oversees the rest of the university's budget. It shows a lack of committment to not pay some oaf to hire the likes of Woody Widenhofer and Bobby Johnson? I personally think it's a step in the right direction. The money saved from an inflated salary goes to help our sports teams (all of them, not just football).

Having said that, I sometimes agree that Vandy should drop down to 1AA football not because we aren't competitive, but because the standards we have set for our players don't give them a fair shot at winning in a conference like the SEC.

Well that ends my rant. Thanks for reading.

P.S. If your list is solely about crappy football teams, you might want to throw in Kentucky. Even though they beat us they still finished below us in the rankings. As did Mississippi State.

[ June 13, 2005, 12:23 AM: Message edited by: NoirDore ]

Not only did they finish below VU, but they had major NCAA violations and STILL found way to lose.

i would add the university of houston.

rice, the other D1A school in this city, probably has more commitment and fan support than do the cougars (though i wouldn't argue with their inclusion in your list either).

OK, so we've got one person who wants Kentucky out - Done!
Another thinks Houston should be out - Done!
The suggestion was made to give Illinois a reprieve - they are now on probationary watch; fate to be determined.
Navy's appeal has been denied.

Herr Tiggee is in a mood today. wink

Well if all it takes is one vote, then I vote for Auburn. Come on--an undefeated season, and you can't do any better than 3rd???

Down you go!

Scoff all you want, but this program is coming..
Jayhawks’ sports budget rapidly increasing

Maybe programs should be kicked into 1-AA based on NCAA Violations? War Eagle!

Coyote, don't be an ass; I know it's hard, but refrain!

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The only reason we were on probation so many times was because of Alabama. When the BEAR sensed Auburn was on the rise, he had us put on probation to knock us back down. The last time we were on probation, it has been proven Alabama was behind it. Well, I guess the payback of Gene Jelks is what led them down their path of destruction.

Nothing spells probation like c-r-y-a-m-i

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'! LOL.

And KWG, once more you are uninformed...the final poll had Auburn 2nd, not 3rd. But thanks for feeling like you had something to contribute. We'll wake you up if "potent potables" is one of the categories.

[ June 14, 2005, 03:56 AM: Message edited by: AU Tiger in ATL ]

as much as i hate to agree, this man speaks the truth

a sad cougar

Yes, Tiggee. I was at the unmasking of OU at the Orange Bowl by USC. I was referring to the pre-bowl polls wherein your unbeaten record wasn't even good enough to get into the title game. However, I'm sure a #2 ranking is quite satisfying for a program that hasn't had even one national title in either of our lifetimes.

There are many of the AU stripe that claim 2004 as a MNC. So long as there's no playoff, no one can convince me otherwise. Undefeated is undefeated.

I vote to move Auburn down to 1-AA. That would serve 2 purposes: they would be able to participate in a playoff to determine the national champion, and then the rest of us wouldn't have to listen to their incessant whining.

Whaaayyy Whaaayyyyy!

I'm not going to take that crap from someone named "weasel"!

No way to kick us down to I-AA. We have more people in the stadium for Podunk Tech game than most people have in a season...87,000 and growing (and that is without narrowing the seat width from 24" to 18" like the VILes did to get their 109k.) Isn't it ironic that they would do that when they have the biggest fat-assed fans around?

Dear Aubie,

You betta pass me anotha' one o' them baby-backs 'fore you make comments like that.

Love,

Phat Phil

You could have a floating system where teams get moved up or down in status depending on performance, like the European soccer leagues. Any team that doesn't win two games against Div I-A for two consecutive seasons automatically gets moved down to I-AA. Any Div I-AA team that doesn't loses only one game (or none) for two consecutive seasons gets moved up.

JC, I like that a lot. It makes perfect sense.

Maybe they should move down any team in the SEC that has been on probation more than one time...

Nevermind, there goes the SEC.

(spanking PF, no wait hiring someone to do it) wink

Maybe we can kick programs out based on Student-Athlete Graduation Rate:

Auburn 54%
Tennessee 54%
Florida 55%
Alabama 56%
Mississippi 56%
Miami 57%
Florida State 60%
Mississippi State 65%

Maybe all these schools in cities like Hooterville, FL , Bugtussle, MS, Mayberry, TN, and Open Sewer, AL should be kicked out if they can't hit 60% student athlete graduation rate. Just a thought.

Based upon 2004 NCAA Graduation-Rates Report

Or perhaps Auburn is looking to up their Non-Conf schedule by getting more to draw from?

coyote, that's all athletes FOR 4 YEARS . No one can graduate in 4 years. The general population is 68%...doesn't seem that bad to me. By the way, the football team's is over 60%.

Oh and you really don't have to be so damn ugly. Open Sewer, AL? Don't you think that's a bit harsh?

And PF, you just get out of the discussion since your Alma Mater isn't involved.

But, AT LEAST we are talking about sports.

[ June 14, 2005, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: Aubie in Bham ]

uh, scuse me coyote, but those numbers are skewed by baseball and basketball players who regularly leave college early to go pro.

But you already checked into that, right? wink

I did go to a Double A school, So Auburn would probably schedule them between SW-NW-Bama-community-college and Norther Florida School of the Blind.

scuses, scuses, scuses...

I'm looking on the list trying to find a basketball powerhouse in there for NBA players..

Sorry GJ... couldnt resist..

My intent was to stir the pot, maybe get under some folks' skins, etc. It is so pleasing to see that it has caused a spirited debate. It is necessary, from time to time, to throw a flame and see who shows up with water, and who shows up with more gasoline.

Panic, Chaos, Disorder - my work here is done.

Everyone can now return to the other vibrant threads at Outsports, such as:
* Survivor XVI - Brooklyn
* How do you shave? With or against the grain?
* Republican Party is guilty of (fill in the blank with some heinous war crime)
* Page 168 of the New York Yankees thread
* What's in your player/changer?
* Allen's Photo Albums, version 8.1
* The Aubiepalooza Tour
* The NBA - irrelevant, or not?

Honey, you brought the pot filled with diesel fuel... or down south is that them there pot called "vittles"?

Gurl, don't knock it till you've tried it. It's good to put some south in your mouth. :cool:

Coyote consumes his nourishment through a funnel, so he wouldn't know.

wink

Yeah, so when is that tour coming to a town near me hmmmm??? :confused:

Oh and to stay on topic: 1-A should not be allowed to play 1-AA. Otherwise, give the 1-AA's some bowl games. Not that it will happen, but just saying.

[ June 14, 2005, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: BPT336 ]

CU doesnt like to get it via a funnel.. more of a...

Oh nevermind...

Actually if Auburn was in double A they might have a shot at winning... we have a tourney and a true champion...

Not paper tigers.

[ June 14, 2005, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

True. But that's only cause the Ivies don't do playoffs in Football.

Yeah, but that tourney the AA play could be cancelled too. Just give that trophy to the Grizzlies every year.

GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

Houston should get the boot.