Hey OtherFSU - I'm sure you were glad to hear the news about the contract extension for Hill.

It's a good decision for him anyways. The Raiders, from what I hear, were interested in him. But coaching under Al Davis is probably worse than that little shithead in DC.

Frankly, I would question the sanity of any college football coach who would agree to make the leap to the NFL when such a leap requires dealing with one of the three most micromanaging owners in the league.

Anyways, this puts to rest speculation that Hill might leave, so hopefully Fresno can get back to recruting without competitors using the possibility as leverage.

Maybe Al should go after that snake Bobby Petrino. He seems a perfect fit for the character of the Raider organization.

I'm a bit on the fence on this one, actually. Pat Hill has been tremendous in a lot of areas, most notably scheduling. Before he came along, Fresno State's non-conference schedule was very ho-hum. But now the Bulldogs play the heavyweights in non-league play every season and that's a HUGE thing. In fact, there's no way Fresno State would ever have gotten into the Top 25 regularly without playing -- and winning -- those types of games.

But... Hill's teams always have the same mentality. They get very up for the non-league tilts but lose focus once they start playing mediocre WAC teams. Hill has never won an outright WAC championship in his 9 years. That's pretty amazing.

I think Hill is, in a way, a victim of his own success. None of the big boys will play Fresno State in Fresno because they run a huge risk of losing. And now it's come to the point where very few teams will even take the chance of playing the Bulldogs anywhere for fear of losing. Coaches and administrators around the country know how good Fresno usually is and they don't want to take the risk of losing to "lowly Fresno State," which is often how casual fans around the country think of the Bulldogs. Fresno State was in talks with Virginia Tech about opening the 2006 season in Blacksburg, but the Hokies decided against it. Texas Tech and Oklahoma State backed out of contracts with Fresno the last two seasons (even though those were home-and-home series where Fresno had already played on the road against those schools recently). The Bulldogs were in discussions with USC about playing the Trojans again in L.A. in 2007, but that quickly changed after the 50-42 USC win on November 19. USC quickly scheduled Idaho instead.

Actually, Fresno State always is slated to have big home games in the future but the marquee opponents always back out of contracts. I blame a lot on our former AD Scott Johnson, who was truly an idiot. Now that he's gone, the new AD seems to be pretty good. In 2006, Fresno State is slated to host Oregon. In 2007, Kansas State comes to Fresno, and in 2008, Wisconsin is slated to be the first Big Ten team ever to visit Fresno. Hopefully that will happen but I wouldn't be surprised if those teams manage to get out of their contracts.

So... yes Pat Hill is back and I hope he does well. He does a lot with very little (Fresno State has never had a Top 70 recruiting class) and I'm sure the Bulldogs will win some big games in the next few years. Hill's goal of a BCS bowl for the Bulldogs may be within reach but I wish the team would focus on EVERY game each season rather than just the big non-conference affairs.

Whew... what a long rant. Sorry.

Oh, and there's no way Hill would've worked out well with Al Davis. Talk about a major clash of personalities!

[ January 18, 2006, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: TheOtherFSU ]

OtherFSU: Actually, I understand your conflicted emotions, but to an outsider, Hill's earned serious respect. He has really elevated your program in a way that most non-BCS teams can only dream. Yeah, Fresno has one WAC title (1999) since he arrived, and 2001 was probably the highwater mark when you guys beat Colorado, Oregon State, & Wisconsin.

Still, I'm not sure that there's a better coach in the non-BCS conferences. Price has worked a miracle at UTEP, and O'Leary has done a good job of turning around UCF. In Price's case, the program (but not the players) sucked, and he got the players to believe in themselves...that's the primary reason for his success. And O'Leary inherited a bunch of Florida athletes who had no discipine. But despite their success, does anyone think that they could have their teams beating the "big boys" in their 4th year at the helm?

Hill has done something that other non-BC teams have never or infrequently done - play the BCS teams and beat at least one of them per year (on average). The man knows offense. His school is turning into a QB mill, of sorts.

With the coaching change at Boise, I think Fresno has a good opportunity next year.

Actually Louiville was the best Non-BCS football school until it moved into the Big East this year.

The Cards were by far the most high profile Non-BCS program and its not even close.

Fresno wil have to learn to beat the Nevada's, L Tech's, Boise's, & Hawaii's on a yearly basis for Fresno to become a constant top 25 program. When it does that, then maybe having goals of being a BCS caliber program would be the next step.

I'm not sure that Louisville was the best non-BCS school. The Cardinals did have some good years, true. But overall I think Fresno State has been on par with Louisville in the last decade and, in fact, most would agree Fresno State has been the stronger team.

Fresno currently has the longest bowl streak of any team in the west (7 straight bowls). No one in the Pac-10, Mountain West or WAC has done better over the last 7 years. And Fresno State has more wins over BCS teams since 2000 of any non-BCS team in the entire nation.

Especially in comparing Fresno State and Louisville... the Bulldogs had won 3 straight bowls (all over BCS opponents -- UCLA, Virginia and Georgia Tech) in 2002, 2003 and 2004. Louisville has lost 6 of its last 8 bowl games and the Cardinals have not defeated a team from a BCS conference in a bowl game in 13 years! Louisville's only two bowl victories in the past 13 seasons are over Boise State (by 4 points) and BYU.

Even this season, Louisville competed in a BCS conference and had just one win over a team that made a bowl. That team was Rutgers. Fresno State defeated two bowl teams in 2005.

And if you want to take it a step further, Louisville's non-conference schedules over the years haven't been anything close to Fresno's. Louisville always plays Kentucky, which is horrible every year. And they traditionally have very weak non-conference slates of Duke, Temple and the like.

Even though Louisville is now in the Big East (a BCS conference for now), I'm sure that if you were to ask most coaches in the country which team is more difficult to prepare for (Louisville or Fresno State), more would say Fresno. The Bulldogs have played and beaten far more true college football powers in the last decade than Louisville.

[ January 19, 2006, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: TheOtherFSU ]

I’m not here to trash Louisville, because they were certainly a decent team prior to joining the Big East, but the numbers do not support placing Louisville’s résumé above Fresno’s.

Since my post was about Pat Hill, I will consider his stats compared to Louisville’s during the same period [caveat: you can’t count 2005 for Louisville because they were no longer in a non-BCS conference].

From 1997 to 2005, Pat Hill’s Bulldogs played 27 BCS foes, an average of 3 per year.
From 1997 to 2004, Louisville played 23 BCS foes, almost 3 per year as well.

Fresno was 10-17 vs. BCS foes over this 9 year span.
Louisville was 13-10 vs. BCS foes over its 8 year span.
However….

20 of Fresno’s 27 opponents (or 74%) posted a .500 or better season in the year in which they played Fresno.
12 of Louisville’s 23 opponents posted a .500 or better season, slightly more than 50%.
That stat alone bears out the quality of BCS opponents each team played.

Against teams with WINNING (i.e. better than .500) records;
Fresno was 5-15
Louisville was 2-8

Against teams with LOSING records;
Fresno was 5-2
Louisville was 9-2
And that’s where Louisville’s edge in wins really comes from. The Cardinals feasted on some pretty lousy squads.

Consider the list of teams Fresno played;
Pac 10: Oregon (3), Oregon State (4), UCLA (3), USC (1), Cal (1), and Washington (1)
Big 10: Wisconsin (2), Ohio State (1), Michigan State (1)
Big 12: Colorado (2), Oklahoma (1), Okla State (1), Kansas State (1), Texas Tech (1), and Baylor (1)
ACC: Virginia (1) and Georgia Tech (1)
SEC: Tennessee (1)

That’s a pretty nifty mix of teams, and only Baylor stands out as a horrendous program.


Now consider Louisville’s list of opponents;
Big 10: Illinois (4 times!) and Penn State (1)
SEC: Kentucky (8)…historically one of the two worst programs in the conference
ACC: FSU (2), Miami (1), UNC (1), and Duke (1)
Big East: BC (1), Syracuse (1), and Temple (1)…both BC and Temple were in the BE at the time
Big 12: Oklahoma (2)

While Louisville deserves credit for Oklahoma, Miami, and FSU, the remainder of their BCS opponents reads like a ‘who’s who’ of terrible football.

Again, I’m not knocking Louisville. They were a good team during this period. But Fresno showed no fear in its scheduling, and the Bulldogs recorded more quality wins against quality BCS foes than Louisville did.

Thanks for the input. I have done a little research on this topis as well & without question Louisville has been the better non-BCS program over the last 15 years.

Since 1990, Louisville is 33-28 against BCS opponents.
Fresno State is 17-25 during this time.

Louisville has played 61 BCS teams during this span compared to just 42 on Fresno State's schedule.

Since 1990 and before joining the Big East, Louisville has beaten Alabama in the Fiesta Bowl, ACC champion Florida State, a good Texas team, Virginia Tech, Arizona State ( twice), Mighigan State in a bowl game, NC State, West Virginia, Boston College, Maryland, Kentucky, Pitt, and Illinois, Boston College.

It should also be noted that Illini went to a BCS bowl game just 4 years ago and played Louisville that year. You do realize the Illini have been the same amount of BCS bowl games as Auburn, so I would steer clear of assessing who is horrendous. During the 90's BC, UNC, Pitt, and Syracuse all had good to very good programs some years.

Also since 1990, Louisville has played Tennessee twice ( home & home-twice), Oklahoma ( twice), Ohio State ( twice), Penn State (home & home- twice), Texas A&M, Florida State ( 3 times home & home in 01 & 02)), Arizona State ( twice- home & home), Texas ( twice- home & home), Florida ( once), Texas A&M (3 times), Michigan State ( once), Alabama ( once). That schedule is VERY difficult & shows the Cards have not DUCKED anyone. Also, it shows how respected the Cards are to have gotten home games with PSU, UT, Texas, Texas A&M, West Virginia, & other upper echelon programs.

While some of Fresno State wins were impressive, it has hardly compared to Louisville and their overall program and its direction. Louisville is on a course to be a top 10-15 program yearly and challenge for national championships. That is how the Louisville program operates and its expectations.

Speaking Of Fresno's schedule. Oregon State is very weak most years when Fresno beat them. As a matter of fact, most of the Pac-10 opponents of Fresno's were not very good those years when theBulldongs beat them. In Fresno State's 17 wins since 1990 against BCS opponents, 5 of them were against Oregon State. That is nothing to be chest thumping about and actually a mirrage of the overall situation.


Overall, Louisville is exactly where it needs to belong and that is in a BCS conference. It showed its true colors this year by thumping to other OOC BCS teams. The Cards beat a .500 pac- 10 team 64-28 & then turned around and beat a .500 ACC team in UNC 69-21.

While Fresno is good, they have a lot of work to do before college football world sees them as non-bcs. Their first priority should be to actually win their non-bcs conference again before worrying about BCS conferences & games. Also, being 17-25 against BCS teams since 1990 is another reason why Fresno is simply not ready to be a big time program.

[ January 19, 2006, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: WVUBuff ]

And you're basing your analysis on a 15 year period, which is fine if that's what you need to do to make your case. Again, this thread was about Pat Hill. Since he arrived at Fresno he has accomplished more than Louisville has over the same stretch. So you can say "Fresno needs to think about winning those games," but UL's record against vs. BCS foes in my analysis is far from superior.

15 of UL’s 23 BCS games from 1997-2004 were against teams named Kentucky, Illinois, Duke, North Carolina, or Temple. If that was a basketball lineup, I’d say “Good job!” Alas, this is football we’re talking about, and those five schools live below the Mendoza line in football.

UL played four genuine programs during that span, and notched a composite 1-4 mark vs. FSU, Miami, Oklahoma, and Penn State.

Again, this was never about UL. This was about Pat Hill, who in his time at Fresno has established a scarier reputation than UL's revolving door of coaches. The clock is still ticking on Bobby Petrino, who seems to spend 1 day every week interviewing for some other job. I'm sure that the constant uncertainty about his future at UL must be bringing in recruits by the boatload.

Pertino din't interview anywhere this year. Also, Pat Hill has made it known he is available for a better opportunity.

All I am saying is Fresno has done an exceptional job. If the MWC had any sense they would invite Fresno & Boise State and make it a 11 team conference. It would be hard to ignore the MWC then and would almost certain have to be included in a bigger bowl game on a yearly basis.

The Oakland newspaper ran a story that Petrino DID interview for the Raider job, in Oakland. But I guess we should just believe Petrino. I mean, he only lied twice before about interviewing, once for the Auburn job and once for the LSU job.

Dear Outsports Poster Known as "Herr Tiggee":

Nothing can be worse than working for that little moron.

Nothing.

Warm Regards,

Steve Spurrier

A gay man that believes gossip.

Who would have thought it? wink

Gossip? More like denials.

San Jose's report

From now on, just ask me before believing & posting gossip. Chances are I am in the "know".

Here ya go.

Louisville head football coach Bobby Petrino released a statement late Wednesday night, voicing his commitment to staying at the University of Louisville. In the midst of rumors from the West Coast about interest from the NFL's Oakland Raiders, Petrino decided to release the statement to clear the air among Cardinal fans and administrators.


AP: AP- T. Easley
University Sports Information released the following information Wednesday night, which includes a statement from Coach Petrino:

After finishing a recruiting trip in Alabama, University of Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino issued the following statement:

"I understand my name is being mentioned in connection with job openings in the National Football League, but I want to re-iterate my commitment to the University of Louisville, our players and all of our Cardinal fans. The University of Louisville has been great for me, and family and I'm committed to fulfilling our goal of taking the program to the next


level."

Wednesday morning, the Oakland Tribune reported Petrino flew to the west coast to meet with Raiders' officials. The Tribune report did not quote a source and cited an unnamed NFL official for the information. The Tribune report picked up by the UPI International News Service.

Just miles away, however, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Petrino was a candidate for the Raiders position, but turned down the interest in favor of staying in Louisville.

U of L officials told the Louisville Courier-Journal's Eric Crawford Wednesday that Petrino was in Alabama on a recruiting trip and not interviewing with the Raiders.

CardinalSports.com's Jeff Wafford spoke with highly ranked recruit Deantwan "Peanut" Whitehead Wednesday afternoon who confirmed that Petrino and recruiting coordinator Joe Whitt Jr. attended his high school in Birmingham Wednesday morning and met with the star player Wednesday night as well.

U of L coaches and officials worried that the published report in the Tribune from an unnamed source could potentially set-back the Cardinals' 2006 football recruiting efforts.

Petrino's statement Wednesday night should help to clear the confusion with conflicting reports. With 19 commitments in the class of 2006 already, in addition to five players currently enrolled, Louisville is on track to have its highest-ranked class in recent school history.

After leading Louisville to three straight bowl games, including an appearance in the 2006 Gator Bowl against Virginia Tech just a few weeks ago, Petrino is a hot commodity in the coaching ranks. Petrino has drawn interest from many programs, both college and professional, primarily because his offensive system has ranked in the top ten nationally during his tenure.

In 2004, Louisville led the nation in total offense and produced NFL draft picks at running back (Eric Shelton and Lionel Gates), quarterback (Stefan LeFors) and wide receiver (J.R. Russell). Last season, Louisville finished ranked among the nation's Top 10 in total offense and was the No. 3 scoring team in the nation behind only national championship contenders USC and Texas. U of L offensive linemen Jason Spitz, Travis Leffew and Jeremy Darveau are expected to draw looks from NFL teams and receivers Joshua Tinch and Montrell Jones could also be pro prospects. U of L junior running back Michael Bush led the nation in scoring in 2005, but recently announced his intention to stay for his senior season on the Louisville campus instead of declaring for the draft.

The "alibi" in your report discusses only the activities of Wednesday. The Oakland Tribune reported that, based on some source, Petrino was in Oakland on Tuesday. One would think that if they wanted to show an alibi to refute it they would've included something regarding his whereabouts on Tuesday. An Alabama athlete's testament regarding Wednesday is irrelevant.

Forgive me for doubting the words that issue from Petrino's mouth. He's lied before, and there's too much buzz out there regarding Jurich's growing frustration with this constant job-search Petrino has executed since arriving at UL.

The Auburn jetgate affair, plus the LSU interview with Skip Bertman while UL was prepping for a bowl game, have marked Petrino as a disingenious character.

I am in agreement that Pertino will leave Louisville soon. He has a son that will be a senior that plays QB for Kentucky's defending state champs in football. So, if he is leaving, it will be next year. This is why many knew this rumor to be inaccurate.

Look for him to leave next year for the NFL. He wont go anywhere else in college.

Also, UL already has a coach lined up to take Pertino. The AD as you already stated is fed up with Pertino and his past actions and put a plan in the works for when his son graduates. This coach is from a BCS conferences to the West of Mississippi. UL wont miss a beat.
wink

Do you have a link to this information, particularly the USC accusation? USC is playing Idaho as their home opener in 2007, but the rest sounds like conjecture on your part.

Trojan, trust me, OtherFSU has credentials. He used to a journalist, and has ties into the Fresno program. He knows stuff, which I know because he's been here for a while and demonstrated some knowledge of what goes on in their program, and at a deeper level than one would expect in newspaper articles.

LOL!
Indeed. I loved the polls on outsports. They were so accurate and non-biased.

Very knowledgeble indeed.

Somehow I dont see USC backing down from any school. I finid ift difficult to believe USC would back out of a non-binding agreement because they thought it would hurt their football reputation with a loss to Fresno.

Thanks for the props, Tiggee. You've always got my back.

I was trying to find a link to the USC-FSU-Idaho story but couldn't find it. It was originally posted in The Bee in November but is only available now by paying a fee to peek into the archives. It is well known that when Fresno State's AD made mention of a future game with USC in this story, it was for the potential Sept. 1, 2007, matchup that had been in the works for awhile between the Bulldogs and Trojans. But after this result, USC wanted nothing to do with another matchup against Fresno State and quickly stopped negotiations about a future game. That prompted this press release less than a month later in which the Idaho Vandals got a $600,000 guarantee to travel to face the Trojans.

Actually, OtherFSU, the fact that they've turned their archives into a pay-for service is a step-up for the Bee. As recently as 2002 (and maybe later) no one could track down any story that was more than three weeks old off their website. It was one of the things that used to piss me off about that newspaper, which I believe is one of only two papers with beat reporters assigned to Fresno.

BTW - which paper did you work for out there?

Ok, so he used to be a journalist and I was a journalism major at USC... which means what? That and $6 will get us lattes at Starbucks. Sorry if I don't automatically believe everything alleged online - especially against USC.

Good Point Trojan.

People will say anything to promote their program.


The otherFSU's polls were very biased with Fresno State ranked almost entire year having them ranked when they were clearly not ione of the top 12 teams in America.

He was critical of WVU the entire year and reluctantly placed them in outsports's poll at the end of the year. Why? Because he would love to see the Big East's bid taken away ( which will never happen) & degrade the Big East product.

My point is, he has already proven to overinflate the FSU program and degrade other programs in the process. Not only is this biased, its self serving and it makes someone look even more foolish in the end when it backfires. WVU finished 11-1 and ranked 5th with two victories over top 20 teams., yet he was very critical of the program all year.

Fresno finished 7-5 with losses not only to USC & Oregon, but to powers such as Nevada, Tulsa, & Louisiana Tech. However, he was ranking Fresno in the top 12 based off "good" losses to Oregon & USC. Hell, he even had Fresno in his poll after it lost to Nevada with 3 losses.

As you stated perfectly, its not always in someone's best interest to beleive alleged assertions especially online when one has already proven to be biased and self serving.

3rdFloor said:
OK, so Tom Brady plays for the NE Pats, and I played QB for a Pop Warner team...that means he's no better than I am, right?

Let me ask you this, Trojan: Did you actually have a job as a sports journalist, covering your own conference and alma mater? You realize that sports journalists develop contacts at the school itself. Do you have any contacts at the Sports Information Dept at USC? I know better than to ask that of WVUBetty, whose bounty of "in the know" info comes from 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation rumors she plucks off of scout.com, plus, why would she have contacts at the SID or AD for a school she never attended?

People hate criticism of their schools - it's natural. I'm not sure which of his assertions pissed you off, Trojan, but I do know (from other threads), that OtherFSU hears things from people inside the Fresno AD or SID, even though he no longer works as a sports writer for the Sacramento Bee. That's what happens when people develop friendships, and I believe there's a mix of former almuni friends and professional associations he has at Fresno.

The only point I will give you, Trojan, is this: his info on USC is coming from Fresno's attempted dealings with USC, i.e. the info is from the Fresno's perspective. However, it's always the school which is rebuffed in such negotiations that leaks info about the school that rejects future games, etc. It's bad press for USC. PR requires that they don't address such stuff.

Just because USC has made no such announcements does not mean that they refused a future game with Fresno. I understand your trepidation regarding stuff you find online, however, OtherFSU has been here for a while and never done much gossiping. But I know from some his posts that he knows stuff that comes from sources inside.

[ January 27, 2006, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: Herr Tiggee ]

Betty said:
You realize that all polls are by nature biased? I guess your big beef with him is that he was mean to WVU...aw boo f**kin' hoo! Everything in your tiny life comes back to your own non-alumni school. Maybe you should write letters to all the AP voters who had WVU less than #5 on their own ballots.

But THIS is my favorite WVUBettyism of the week:
And thus you have proven why no one should ever believe a single biased, unfactual blurb that ever comes out of your mouth again. Have a good weekend.

A) I always have a good weekend.

yes, I am aware that those polls are biased. That was my point fool. Just as I'm certain his perspective on the scheduling with USC was biased.

C) Did you enjoy Auburn's top Defensive commitment decommiting from Auburn yesterday and verbaling to a Big East team in Louisville?
wink

He was a four star...not our top DL prospect considering another 4 and 5 have us high on the their list and we already have a 5 sewn up. Also, little Bobby better be careful doing that too often...just ask Bama.

You know, you're an awfully big talker considering that right now, WVU is ranked # 59...5 places under DUKE and 4 under VANDY and 3 ahead of SOUTHERN MISS. That's some mighty fine company down there.

[ January 27, 2006, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Aubie in Bham ]

Don't bother him with facts, Aubie. I'm sure he has some grandiose excuse. In his magical fantasy world, whoever is on top is really on the bottom, black is white, right is worong, and everything is double-plus good.

Nevertheless, I will take Auburn's recruiting class over WVU's pathetic excuse, even with a de-commitment from a guy who won't even be our top pick for that position.

With almost half of WVU's starters being first year players, most top rate players know they aren't going to break into the lineup.

Also, we only have 15 scholarships this year. Next year is when we have an outstanding class. Its already in the works.

Also, I will be back on the board next week to announce 2-3 four star recruits that will verbal to WVU. Our class will be in the 30's which is where we expected it to be based on the circumstances.

Considering Auburn's 3 loss season, I would chest thump about recruiting.

Good luck with that!

you truly are delusional.

He's worse off than High Tyde, I fear. I didn't think it was possible, but he has out-Bammered a Bammer.

HyTy may be a little sh**, but he usually is lucid and knows what the hell is going on. Betty-Boop is trying to convince us that they planned on a top 40 recruiting class.

YEAH, let's shoot for mediocrity in recruiting because they know we've already got the National Championship team in place...these are just the benchwarmers and capeholders.

LOL

Do these recruiting rankings count on the field? NO

Case in point, WVU's 5 star running back Jason Gwaltney who turned down USC and Ohio State ( has over 40 offers) last year was beat out by true freshman sensation Steve Slaton who was just a 3 star recruit and by far the best freshman running back in the country last year.

Pat White was the just a 2 star recruit and was by far the best freshman Qb last year.

Its what you do on the field that matters. I guess you guys dont have a lot goin going on with such dismal basketball teams that you treat recruiting like it somehow gives you extra touchdowns. LOL!

Also, Lets look at who WVU put in the draft last year.

#8 player selected overall in 1NFL st round Draft Adam Pac Man Jones was a one star

3rd round pick Chris Henry to Cincy who was considered one of the top 3 rookie WR's in NFL this past year.

6th round QB Rasheed Marshall was selected by SF Niners and he was only a 2-star recruit.


You can have all the stars you want, but I will almost certainly be laughing when our 3 star recruits are smacking Auburn's ass when we hook up for the 2 game series in 2008 & 9.

By lucky if they don't hang 50 on you guys.

You know, you've got me there. We only had the 4 1st rounders with Cadillac being the NFL rookie of the year, Ronnie being a 1,000 rush on a crappy team, Carlos Rogers contributing heavily to the Redskins D and Jason waiting his turn. Of the 4 first rounders, I know that 3 of them were 4 or 5 stars...so it does hold true.

Just the AU backs currently in the league.

Ronnie Brown - Dolphins
Cadillac Williams - Tampa Bay
Steven Davis - Carolina
Brandon Jacobs - Giants
Rudi Johnson - Cincinnati
Fred Beasley - 49ers
Tony Richardson - Chiefs
Heath Evans - New England

[ January 27, 2006, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: Aubie in Bham ]

I wasn't aware there was an Auburn--WV series in the near future. This will be fun to watch. Especially since 2008 will be the 3rd year of WV's 3-year undefeated 3-national title run.

Of course, that 3 year undefeated run is assuming none of his 3 stars get arrested in the meantime.

WVU athletic program doesn't recruit thugs and it doesn't know the word probation.

The same can't be said for the SEC and ACC's program.


We run a first rate program on honesty. Too bad your schools cant say the same.

We? You don't have a diploma from WVU. There is no "we." And if you believe that you are, in fact, a "we" then I might suggest that you let some of that wonderful WVU honesty rub off on your posts.

Pac Man Jones IS a thug

An Auburn fan lecturing on ethics.

The end is near.

And yes, it is WE.

You are so deluded you can't even argue effectively. Aubie's not "lecturing" you on anything. You stated that "we don't recruit thugs." He comes back with an example that conflicts with your asserion. That doesn't constitute lecturing, it constitutes a refutation of your statement.

This is usually the part where you offer a childish, diversionary response. Rather than recognizing that someone has produced a fact which contradicts your hyperbolic claims, you can be expected to throw out a slur about the other person's school in order to divert attention. Of course, all that does is demonstrate you don't know how to argue effectively, and proves that you lost your argument.

Name a UF program in the past 20 years with ANY NCAA investigation.

[Jeopardy theme song playing]

Buzzer.

No, I didn't think so, eother.

Another correct guess would have been Vanderbilt. Another school for whom UT grads work.

Bye, now.

Galen Hall says HI.

I would erase this out of your memory too. Florida missed out as SEC champs ( lol see Auburn) in 1990. That is just roughly 15 years ago from this past season ( 2005).

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/ufsportshistory_25.php


The SEC is the used car salesmen of College football and should locate the nearest MUZZLE when teams discuss THUGS & unethical opinions before commenting. It similar to Osama Bin Laden assessing and condoning other terrorist groups.

Look at Auburn, Tennssee, Alabama, Georgia, Miss State, Florida, & Kentucky are all programs that are notriously known for their scandals, probations, and laughable unethical circumstances.


Only a Biased FOOL would see differently.

Ummm, I asked a simple question and he answered it. Whether someone is, was, or wants to be a journalist doesn't mean a thing to me. He doesn't have a link to back-up his allegation that USC ducked playing Fresno State again, so it remains just that - an allegation. End of story.

Great Post again Trojan.

Now, get ready to having insults hurled your way because you are direct, to the point, and call people out.

Of course, you might get dizzy with the spin of the Qeen and her court of fools.

Btw, what do you think of Partick Turner? He's from close to where I grew up in Tennessee. I heard he'll be showcased in the SC offense next year. He was the #1 WR in last year's recruiting class & evidnetly Carroll is raving about his talents.

SC is a first class program. I really got hooked on his coaching after he smacked around Auburn in 2002 & 2003.

[ January 28, 2006, 05:54 PM: Message edited by: WVUBuff ]

Well, WVUBuff, I think Turner's a comer and I have high hopes for the receiving corps next year. Dwayne Jarrett is coming back, as is Steve Smith (and I think even Smith acknowledges he was looking ahead to the NFL this year and didn't have the year he wanted). We also have a great recruiting class coming in. We'll just have to see what shakes out in the QB position and get the rb/tailback area figured out. We have a big rebuilding job, but I think Pete Caroll is up to the task. Meanwhile, I would say WVU is ready for a big year.

I said 20 years, it's actually 16. I stand corrected. But that's hardly "notrious".

Don't you have a couch to burn? Run along now.

Actually, I have a BCS win to celebrate.

Too bad you wont anytime soon.

I guess that great UF education is paying off.

16 years in 20 in gaytor math.


Again, Galen Hall says HI!

From your alma mater? No, I didn't think so.

Since the spread offense ( who WVU's coach RR is the mastermind and invented) is being emulated by Urban Meyer, Northwestern, and many other succesful programs, you can send the thank you card anytime soon.

Its great having the most innovative coach in college football in Morgantown.

:cool: