The Twins (who Charlie in the Trees described as the only one of the 8 teams in the postseason with NO CHANCE at winning the World Series) took a MAJOR step toward eliminating the A's with their win on the road this afternoon....it was not only that Minnesota won but the fact that they overcame early 3-0 and 5-1 deficits to rally against Tim Hudson, one of the most consistent starters in the AL....Oakland benefited early from a serious case of the jitters by the Twins (who only have two players on the roster with ANY postseason experience -- pitchers Rick Reed and Mike Jackson) as Minnesota committed three errors in the first two innings leading to 4 unearned runs (and this is from a team that had the FEWEST errors in all of MLB this season with 74)....once these young players started to relax and play with confidence, they showed that their 94 wins this year was no fluke.
What was very surprising was today's attendance in Oakland was ONLY 34,853 ....I know it was a 1PM start locally on a Tuesday afternoon but with all of the attention the young A's have generated with 103 wins, you're telling me they couldn't come close to selling out a playoff game? ....Is the Bay Area becoming like Atlanta where no one cares unless they make it to the World Series?....it's not as if the A's have had a string of postseason success for the past few seasons and the fans have become complacent with "early round" series....do you think the Twin Cities, with a MUCH smaller population base to draw from, would have sold out this afternoon's game?
It will be difficult for the A's to knock off Bud Selig's "favorite" team now IMHO considering the Twins are virtually unbeatable at home (they had the best home record in all of baseball again)....I know it's a LONG way away but wouldn't it be sweet for Bud Selig to have to present the World Series trophy to the team he was trying to kill nine months ago (along with a lot of help from Twins owner Carl Pohlad)?
Now if only the Angels can win in the Bronx tonight we'll be on our way to the Twins-Angels ALCS! ....keep pulling for the underdogs guys that nobody thinks has a chance (ready to change your mind yet CITT or will it take a few more Twins victories first?)
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Home is definitely kind to the Twins. However, Hudson as good as he is, isn't the #1 starter in Oakland anymore. Mulder and Zito will have something to say about the outcome of this series, either by performing extremely well or letting the Twins finish it off. Looking forward to a great series now that the Twins are up 1-0! Too bad its only best-of-5.
[quote]Originally posted by gamecock:
It will be difficult for the A's to knock off Bud Selig's "favorite" team now IMHO considering the Twins are virtually unbeatable at home (they had the best home record in all of baseball again)....
The D-backs were 55-26 at home. And the A's and Angels were 54-27 along with the Twins.
The difference is in the road records. Arizona: 43-38. Anaheim: 45-36. Oakland: 49-32. Minnesota: just 40-40. So while the Twins got a huge win, the A's aren't out of it by any means.
It will be difficult for the A's to knock off Bud Selig's "favorite" team now IMHO considering the Twins are virtually unbeatable at home (they had the best home record in all of baseball again)....
The D-backs were 55-26 at home. And the A's and Angels were 54-27 along with the Twins.
The difference is in the road records. Arizona: 43-38. Anaheim: 45-36. Oakland: 49-32. Minnesota: just 40-40. So while the Twins got a huge win, the A's aren't out of it by any means.
Gamecock asked if the Twins would have sold out this afternoon's game. I live in Twins Town and I don't know anybody that worked a full day. We all would love to have been at the game, instead we watched at bars or at home. I have tickets to both home games and I know that they are sold out. (I think that the Dome seats 53,000 for baseball) I can't believe that the A's were that short of a sell out. Watch your TVs on Friday and Saturday(if needed). You will see (hear) 53,000 of the loudest, pumped-up, Homer-Hanky waving fans in the AL. Hopefully I'll get one of Koskie's (foul)balls
Marc
Marc
In a duplicate thread, SeaMarFan posted:
Come on Angels, We need to see you win the next few games against the Yankees! In the 8th inning, I was saying to myself, 'just get through the 8th and bring in Percival to close it in the 9th.' It didn't quite happen like that. I'm already depressed over the M's not making the playoffs, and now I have to see the Yanks get that comeback win? It's like a slap in the face, or perhaps, a bitch slap in the face. Another shocker was the Twins-A's game. The only team I've seen play that bad in the first few innings are the Devil Rays, and the Twins come back and win it anyway, not a good day for the California teams. Better luck in game 2!
Come on Angels, We need to see you win the next few games against the Yankees! In the 8th inning, I was saying to myself, 'just get through the 8th and bring in Percival to close it in the 9th.' It didn't quite happen like that. I'm already depressed over the M's not making the playoffs, and now I have to see the Yanks get that comeback win? It's like a slap in the face, or perhaps, a bitch slap in the face. Another shocker was the Twins-A's game. The only team I've seen play that bad in the first few innings are the Devil Rays, and the Twins come back and win it anyway, not a good day for the California teams. Better luck in game 2!
I had to leave for the Yankee game right after the Twins had taken a 6-5 lead. We got to Yankee Stadium when it was 2 on and 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth. When Jones caught the third and final out, Yankee fans who were watching on TV's throughout the stadium cheered like mad. Guess the Yankee fans don't want to have to deal with the A's again!
In a duplicate thread, George_vikingfan posted:
The Yankee game tonight was amazing. The atmosphere at Yankee Stadium is unlike anywhere else. Some of the fans are just beyond obnoxious, but the Yanks always put on a show. A Yanks-Twins ALCS would be great.
Steen replied:
My partner and I went with friends to the D-Backs vs. Cards game last night. What a bummer for Arizona fans although as a child I was raised by my father to be a strict Cards fan so it was fun to see the team I grew up with in the post-season.
There were also lots of gay guys at the game.
Copman replied:
And you knew this because of their rainbow lapel pins??
Charlie in the Trees replied:
More than the one playing first base?
Munson Man replied:
Well, as George pointed out, there isn't anything quite like the electric atmosphere at Yankee Stadium for postseason play. It was another satisfying, come from behind victory for the Good Guys. When it went to the bottom of the eighth with the Yanks down by one I actually thought "ok, we've got 'em where we want 'em"
That said, it was nervewracking, and I was shocked Scosia didn't bring in Percival to face Giambi with two on in the eighth. Giambi is 0-5 versus Percival with five strikeouts, and instead he brought in Schoenweiss. Base hit, tie game. OK, I thought, now he'll bring in Percival to face Bernie. Wrong. In came Donnelly, and a minute later you could just imagine John Sterling screaming "Burn, baby, Bernie!" as the ball disappeared over the wall, Bernie took a curtain call, and the upper deck shook from the deafening noise. Rivera closed out the ninth, Percival never got to leave the Angel bullpen, and next thing you knew Sinatra was playing and lots of us were singing along. As a Yankee fan, I'm glad Scosia played it the way he did, but I had this mental image of poor Jim Allen's head exploding somewhere in Southern California.
The Yankee game tonight was amazing. The atmosphere at Yankee Stadium is unlike anywhere else. Some of the fans are just beyond obnoxious, but the Yanks always put on a show. A Yanks-Twins ALCS would be great.
Steen replied:
My partner and I went with friends to the D-Backs vs. Cards game last night. What a bummer for Arizona fans although as a child I was raised by my father to be a strict Cards fan so it was fun to see the team I grew up with in the post-season.
There were also lots of gay guys at the game.
Copman replied:
And you knew this because of their rainbow lapel pins??
Charlie in the Trees replied:
More than the one playing first base?
Munson Man replied:
Well, as George pointed out, there isn't anything quite like the electric atmosphere at Yankee Stadium for postseason play. It was another satisfying, come from behind victory for the Good Guys. When it went to the bottom of the eighth with the Yanks down by one I actually thought "ok, we've got 'em where we want 'em"
That said, it was nervewracking, and I was shocked Scosia didn't bring in Percival to face Giambi with two on in the eighth. Giambi is 0-5 versus Percival with five strikeouts, and instead he brought in Schoenweiss. Base hit, tie game. OK, I thought, now he'll bring in Percival to face Bernie. Wrong. In came Donnelly, and a minute later you could just imagine John Sterling screaming "Burn, baby, Bernie!" as the ball disappeared over the wall, Bernie took a curtain call, and the upper deck shook from the deafening noise. Rivera closed out the ninth, Percival never got to leave the Angel bullpen, and next thing you knew Sinatra was playing and lots of us were singing along. As a Yankee fan, I'm glad Scosia played it the way he did, but I had this mental image of poor Jim Allen's head exploding somewhere in Southern California.
Stoopid Yankees. 14-2 in games in which the eventual winning team was trailing with six outs to go. The killer was that Soriano was down 0-2 with two outs in that inning.
Jayson Stark:
"Soriano walked exactly 23 times all year. He struck out 157 times. That's the fewest walks in history by a guy who whiffed 150 times or more."
So of course he walks on the next four pitches. Killer.
I will be lighting a prayer candle every day now until the Yankees lose. They did it last year. They can do it again.
Jayson Stark:
"Soriano walked exactly 23 times all year. He struck out 157 times. That's the fewest walks in history by a guy who whiffed 150 times or more."
So of course he walks on the next four pitches. Killer.
I will be lighting a prayer candle every day now until the Yankees lose. They did it last year. They can do it again.
I had the weirdest feeling last night in the 8th inning. Anxiety? Feeling of doom? Supreme confidence?
No. That feeling was: nothing. It might just be a mind-f**k I'm doing on myself to gird against disappointment, but I was totally emotionally detached while the Angel's roof fell in. I really AM just glad they made the playoffs.
The Ghost of Gene Mauch must have been tapping Mike Scioscia on the shoulder last night. I felt that Schoenweis v. Giambi was the right move. Scott Spezio has made that play all year long (he's been excellent at 1st base); of course, this being the playoffs at Yankee Stadium, he doesn't. Much as a I think Brendan Donnelly is a hottie (despite the can of chewing tobbaco in his back pocket), with Bernie Williams at the plate, I feel he should have brought in Percival. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, it would have only delayed the Yankees winning. It just had that feeling of inevitability to it.
The A's are in trouble. The D'backs are in trouble. [quote]Steen: There were also lots of gay guys at the game.
Copman
And you knew this because of their rainbow lapel pins??
Charlie in the Trees
More than the one playing first base?
Meow.
Copman, gaydar, duh! Oh wait. You're just bitter because The Anaconda and friends are watching this on TV.
No. That feeling was: nothing. It might just be a mind-f**k I'm doing on myself to gird against disappointment, but I was totally emotionally detached while the Angel's roof fell in. I really AM just glad they made the playoffs.
The Ghost of Gene Mauch must have been tapping Mike Scioscia on the shoulder last night. I felt that Schoenweis v. Giambi was the right move. Scott Spezio has made that play all year long (he's been excellent at 1st base); of course, this being the playoffs at Yankee Stadium, he doesn't. Much as a I think Brendan Donnelly is a hottie (despite the can of chewing tobbaco in his back pocket), with Bernie Williams at the plate, I feel he should have brought in Percival. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, it would have only delayed the Yankees winning. It just had that feeling of inevitability to it.
The A's are in trouble. The D'backs are in trouble. [quote]Steen: There were also lots of gay guys at the game.
Copman
And you knew this because of their rainbow lapel pins??
Charlie in the Trees
More than the one playing first base?
Meow.
Copman, gaydar, duh! Oh wait. You're just bitter because The Anaconda and friends are watching this on TV.
Fox and the ESPN highlights are doing it again -- "postseason history"!!! That meaningless category which they often fail to qualify by pointing out that, through 1968, the World Series was the ONLY "postseason."
And "Yankee magic," my ass. I didn't see the whole game, but the Percival non-move seems like more 9th-inning-only-closer straightjacket orthodoxy ... and Spiezio HAS to field that hit off his glove.
This second game is a biggie for the A's -- otherwise I see the Twins winning, then losing their Cinderella outfit to the Stankees, panties and all!
The D-backs being Luisless may be fatal...
And "Yankee magic," my ass. I didn't see the whole game, but the Percival non-move seems like more 9th-inning-only-closer straightjacket orthodoxy ... and Spiezio HAS to field that hit off his glove.
This second game is a biggie for the A's -- otherwise I see the Twins winning, then losing their Cinderella outfit to the Stankees, panties and all!
The D-backs being Luisless may be fatal...
[quote]Originally posted by Bill W:
Fox and the ESPN highlights are doing it again -- "postseason history"!!! That meaningless category which they often fail to qualify by pointing out that, through 1968, the World Series was the ONLY "postseason."
And if this were 1974, I'd agree. But we're now into the 34th year of playoff games leading up to a World Series.
Speaking of poor playoff attendance,
plenty of tickets are available in Atlanta!
Fox and the ESPN highlights are doing it again -- "postseason history"!!! That meaningless category which they often fail to qualify by pointing out that, through 1968, the World Series was the ONLY "postseason."
And if this were 1974, I'd agree. But we're now into the 34th year of playoff games leading up to a World Series.
Speaking of poor playoff attendance,
plenty of tickets are available in Atlanta!
[quote]Originally posted by gamecock:
Now if only the Angels can win in the Bronx tonight we'll be on our way to the Twins-Angels ALCS! ....keep pulling for the underdogs guys that nobody thinks has a chance (ready to change your mind yet CITT or will it take a few more Twins victories first?)
This is one of those very rare playoff series where I genuinely want BOTH teams to win. And a great team leader apparently was born for the Twins last night. What a shock ... he plays centerfield (which is where the team leader from all great Twins' post-season runs plays). This is Torii Hunter's team and everyone else just plays on it.
I'm not ready to jump on the Twins bandwagon yet, though. Let's see how Zito and Mulder pitch first. But, OBVIOUSLY, I was wrong in predicting an A's sweep.
And if you want the Twins in the World Series, you better be praying for an Anaheim comeback. Since the Angels were the wild card, the Twins would have home advantage in the ALCS if it's against the wild card (but not if it's the Yankees.)
But if I had to guess, the Twins are much more likely to get past the A's than the Angels are to get up off the floor. I don't know how they're going to overcome Yankee "mystique" and come back from last night's debacle. (And, NO, Gene Mauch did NOT tell Mike Scioscia to have Schoenweiss pitch instead of bringing in Troy Percival in the 8th.)
Now if only the Angels can win in the Bronx tonight we'll be on our way to the Twins-Angels ALCS! ....keep pulling for the underdogs guys that nobody thinks has a chance (ready to change your mind yet CITT or will it take a few more Twins victories first?)
This is one of those very rare playoff series where I genuinely want BOTH teams to win. And a great team leader apparently was born for the Twins last night. What a shock ... he plays centerfield (which is where the team leader from all great Twins' post-season runs plays). This is Torii Hunter's team and everyone else just plays on it.
I'm not ready to jump on the Twins bandwagon yet, though. Let's see how Zito and Mulder pitch first. But, OBVIOUSLY, I was wrong in predicting an A's sweep.
And if you want the Twins in the World Series, you better be praying for an Anaheim comeback. Since the Angels were the wild card, the Twins would have home advantage in the ALCS if it's against the wild card (but not if it's the Yankees.)
But if I had to guess, the Twins are much more likely to get past the A's than the Angels are to get up off the floor. I don't know how they're going to overcome Yankee "mystique" and come back from last night's debacle. (And, NO, Gene Mauch did NOT tell Mike Scioscia to have Schoenweiss pitch instead of bringing in Troy Percival in the 8th.)
"Mystique" my ass. The Yankees have made a pact with Satan. I hope they're enjoying their success while they can--eternity is a really long time.
Judging by the size of crowd in Atlanta right now, you'd think thye were playing the Marlins in the dog days of August! I guess the folks in Atlanta have been let down so many times they can't even think about getting interested until/unless the Braves get to the World Series.
And what does it say about the state of the game when the games are being broadcast on ABC Family!!! The fact that FOX wasn't willing to preempt such important shows as "Montel Wiliams", "Crossing Over" and "Divorce Court" speaks volumes about the dwindling interest in our "national pastime". At this rate, it won't be long before we'll have to get on "Crossing Over" and have that John Edwards dude contact basball for us from the great beyond.
And what does it say about the state of the game when the games are being broadcast on ABC Family!!! The fact that FOX wasn't willing to preempt such important shows as "Montel Wiliams", "Crossing Over" and "Divorce Court" speaks volumes about the dwindling interest in our "national pastime". At this rate, it won't be long before we'll have to get on "Crossing Over" and have that John Edwards dude contact basball for us from the great beyond.
<<Judging by the size of crowd in Atlanta right now, you'd think thye were playing the Marlins in the dog days of August! I guess the folks in Atlanta have been let down so many times they can't even think about getting interested until/unless the Braves get to the World Series.>>
That, and we have day jobs, oh, and it's football season.
That, and we have day jobs, oh, and it's football season.
[quote] "Mystique" my ass. The Yankees have made a pact with Satan. I hope they're enjoying their success while they can--eternity is a really long time.
So *that's* how you do it. Not hard to believe.
Anyone have Andy MacPhail's personal phone number?
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So *that's* how you do it. Not hard to believe.
Anyone have Andy MacPhail's personal phone number?
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: cubsfan1982 ]
[quote]And what does it say about the state of the game when the games are being broadcast on ABC Family!!!
That the sport is in terminal decline and that in about 20 years, when the X-Game generation are 30-somethings with kids, there won't be a fan base big enough to support 30 teams, that baseball with be about as popular as hockey is now.
And other gloomy, pessimistic predictions like that.
The headline in today's Los Angeles Times sports section: Bronx Bummer. Not bad.
That the sport is in terminal decline and that in about 20 years, when the X-Game generation are 30-somethings with kids, there won't be a fan base big enough to support 30 teams, that baseball with be about as popular as hockey is now.
And other gloomy, pessimistic predictions like that.
The headline in today's Los Angeles Times sports section: Bronx Bummer. Not bad.
[quote]Originally posted by Joe in Philly:
we're now into the 34th year of playoff games leading up to a World Series.
Point understood -- except they STILL include players like Ruth, Mantle and Berra in these "postseason leader" lists with the likes of Jeter and Justice ahead of them. Totally nonsensical.
8-2 Giants in the 8th... Given the Braves' underwhelming lineup, especially if Cox is going to start the Sinkhole Swingers (Furcal and Lockhart) over Giles and DeRosa, I wouldn't be shocked if the Braves are swept...
we're now into the 34th year of playoff games leading up to a World Series.
Point understood -- except they STILL include players like Ruth, Mantle and Berra in these "postseason leader" lists with the likes of Jeter and Justice ahead of them. Totally nonsensical.
8-2 Giants in the 8th... Given the Braves' underwhelming lineup, especially if Cox is going to start the Sinkhole Swingers (Furcal and Lockhart) over Giles and DeRosa, I wouldn't be shocked if the Braves are swept...
Giants win over the Braves 8-5, despite Nen almost blowing it in the bottom of the 9th. Pays to rack up points early in the game!
3-0 A's in the 3rd. Homer by Chavez. If the result holds, the Twins will have to be happy with a split heading back to a sold-out House of The Trash Bag.
Go you Giants.
Go you Giants.
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Originally posted by Steen:
There were also lots of gay guys at the game.
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More than the one playing first base?
You talkin about that hot Mark Grace? I love Mark Grace
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Originally posted by Steen:
There were also lots of gay guys at the game.
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More than the one playing first base?
You talkin about that hot Mark Grace? I love Mark Grace
go giants! they really needed to take at least one game on the road - now two would be even nicer... they got much needed key hits from the lower part of the batting order - benito santiago, j.t. snow, david bell, etc.
I'm now watching tne A's-Twins game, sizin' up the Yankees' next hurdle, ya know...
Twins 1st baseman Doug Mientkiewicz is getting alot of attention because ESPN has him miked. My question is this--are they still looking for the Lindbergh baby, because I think it's hiding in Dougie's pants! (Yeah, yeah I KNOW it's a cup, but it's still hot as hell!)
Twins 1st baseman Doug Mientkiewicz is getting alot of attention because ESPN has him miked. My question is this--are they still looking for the Lindbergh baby, because I think it's hiding in Dougie's pants! (Yeah, yeah I KNOW it's a cup, but it's still hot as hell!)
[quote]Yeah, yeah I KNOW it's a cup, but it's still hot as hell!
As the old saying goes, where there's smoke, there's fire. Luckily for me, Jim Thome doesn't wear a cup.
8-0 A's.
Mark Grace used to be one of my favorites but a combination of the goatee, the shaved head and too much sun = rhino skin means he's now been relegated to the "Yeah, I'd have sex with him if no one else was around" category. As if I'd ever have Thome and Grace fighting over me.......
Well, I need the Angels game to end by 8:59 PST tonight because the season premiere of The Amazing Race is on and I don't have a second TV/TiVo.
As the old saying goes, where there's smoke, there's fire. Luckily for me, Jim Thome doesn't wear a cup.
8-0 A's.
Mark Grace used to be one of my favorites but a combination of the goatee, the shaved head and too much sun = rhino skin means he's now been relegated to the "Yeah, I'd have sex with him if no one else was around" category. As if I'd ever have Thome and Grace fighting over me.......
Well, I need the Angels game to end by 8:59 PST tonight because the season premiere of The Amazing Race is on and I don't have a second TV/TiVo.
[quote]Originally posted by GOYANKS4868:
Twins 1st baseman Doug Mientkiewicz is getting alot of attention because ESPN has him miked. My question is this--are they still looking for the Lindbergh baby, because I think it's hiding in Dougie's pants!
DOUG .......Mientkiewicz.
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: copman ]
Twins 1st baseman Doug Mientkiewicz is getting alot of attention because ESPN has him miked. My question is this--are they still looking for the Lindbergh baby, because I think it's hiding in Dougie's pants!
DOUG .......Mientkiewicz.
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: copman ]
WOOF, copman! Thanks!
The last "Mientkiewicz" pic, where he's standing between "I" and "M", is particularly hot. I actually think I've seen that combo in a porn flick once...
The last "Mientkiewicz" pic, where he's standing between "I" and "M", is particularly hot. I actually think I've seen that combo in a porn flick once...
So the A's have come back to knot the series at 1-1. If you're a baseball fan, who wouldn't love to be in the Twin Cities for Game 3 on Friday, with Zito facing all those homer hankies?
Braves down 1-0. If the bottom of that Giants lineup stays hot, they'll sweep. Braves HAVE to win Game 2 tomorrow behind Maddux.
Go Angels! I can't believe the blowup last night, but then again you can't be surprised at anything the Damn Yankees do in the postseason. We need to give Scioscia some credit, as I believe he probably learned a lot from his first postseason game. Second guessing, he should have put in Percival to face Giambi (if not Soriano). Let's just hope he catches on to just how powerful Yankee magic is before he loses 3 games.
And for the Cardinals... well, the D'backs are in trouble. Unless they heal on the off day today and can come back behind Schilling, who had a rough September, on Thursday.
Braves down 1-0. If the bottom of that Giants lineup stays hot, they'll sweep. Braves HAVE to win Game 2 tomorrow behind Maddux.
Go Angels! I can't believe the blowup last night, but then again you can't be surprised at anything the Damn Yankees do in the postseason. We need to give Scioscia some credit, as I believe he probably learned a lot from his first postseason game. Second guessing, he should have put in Percival to face Giambi (if not Soriano). Let's just hope he catches on to just how powerful Yankee magic is before he loses 3 games.
And for the Cardinals... well, the D'backs are in trouble. Unless they heal on the off day today and can come back behind Schilling, who had a rough September, on Thursday.
[quote]Originally posted by kennysf:
go giants!they got much needed key hits from the lower part of the batting order - benito santiago, j.t. snow, david bell, etc.
They even started to intentionally walk DAVID BELL!
go giants!they got much needed key hits from the lower part of the batting order - benito santiago, j.t. snow, david bell, etc.
They even started to intentionally walk DAVID BELL!
I went to work out with the Angels leading 1-0 in the top of the 2nd. I came back and they were ahead 4-1. The Yanquis promptly tied it and then went ahead. I started switching back and forth between the ball game and The Amazing Race season opener and the Angels went ahead while I was watching TAR. Moral: the Angels do better when I'm not watching.
Well, tonight's result certainly brings an element of interest in to this series. This might really be a different kind of Angels team, though it was deja vu all over again when it was Weber and then Donnelly out of the pen. Weber should not be allowed near the mound again. Troy Percival, as usual, made it interesting in the 9th.
On to Anaheim. Big game for the Cards and D'backs tomorrow.
Well, tonight's result certainly brings an element of interest in to this series. This might really be a different kind of Angels team, though it was deja vu all over again when it was Weber and then Donnelly out of the pen. Weber should not be allowed near the mound again. Troy Percival, as usual, made it interesting in the 9th.
On to Anaheim. Big game for the Cards and D'backs tomorrow.
God, do the Yankees whine on pitches that catch the black, or what? Jeter's crybaby act in the 8th was like a slightly less gruesome Paul O'Neill act... go Halos...
If the Twins really swing against lefty aces the way they did against Mulder, thgey can use those Homer hankies for crying vs Zito.
Somehow, I see SF-Atl going 5.
If the Twins really swing against lefty aces the way they did against Mulder, thgey can use those Homer hankies for crying vs Zito.
Somehow, I see SF-Atl going 5.
Good god does the Joe Buck/Tim McCarver broadcast combo suck rotten eggs. Is it my imagination, or every team an Angel pitcher has fallen behind in the count, they talk about how Scioscia should bring Troy Percival in from the bullpen. Why doesn't Scioscia just pitch Percival 9 innings every game, Joe and Timmy? And to think McCarver used to be a really good announcer.
After watching the Braves/Giants game, does anyone have a clue as to how the Braves won over 100 games? I know their starting pitching has always been better in the regular season than in the play-offs, so I'm not referring to Glavine's start. I'm only now beginning to appreciate that this is the worst Braves team they've put on the field since the Chuck Tanner Era. They are relying on some truly awful washed-up players. That said: it'll go five because the Giants will have trouble finishing them off when they have them down.
I really really wish Twins/A's and Cardinals/D-Backs were the league championship series games.
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After watching the Braves/Giants game, does anyone have a clue as to how the Braves won over 100 games? I know their starting pitching has always been better in the regular season than in the play-offs, so I'm not referring to Glavine's start. I'm only now beginning to appreciate that this is the worst Braves team they've put on the field since the Chuck Tanner Era. They are relying on some truly awful washed-up players. That said: it'll go five because the Giants will have trouble finishing them off when they have them down.
I really really wish Twins/A's and Cardinals/D-Backs were the league championship series games.
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Charlie in the Trees ]
[quote]Originally posted by Bill W:
Somehow, I see SF-Atl going 5.
Although I wish SF would sweep it in 3, four games would be cool since I've got great seats for both Saturday and Sunday.
Somehow, I see SF-Atl going 5.
Although I wish SF would sweep it in 3, four games would be cool since I've got great seats for both Saturday and Sunday.
In a duplicate thread titled "offense hurting d'backs, not curt&rj", homeplate posted:
true, rj & schilling haven't been their normal selves as of late, but the offense has taken a big turn for the worse. it doesn't help that gonzo's out either. all i can do is hope for the best in game#3.
FeverDog replied:
Get them a body bag - the D'Backs are dead. I'd say that I'm disappointed, but I'd be lying.
GO CARDS!!
true, rj & schilling haven't been their normal selves as of late, but the offense has taken a big turn for the worse. it doesn't help that gonzo's out either. all i can do is hope for the best in game#3.
FeverDog replied:
Get them a body bag - the D'Backs are dead. I'd say that I'm disappointed, but I'd be lying.
GO CARDS!!
Well, BillSF, if the score tonight holds, you'll be enjoying a Game 4. Since the 49ers play the Lambs at 1:15 at the Stick, I hope for SF sports fans that it's the 5:00 game on Sunday (it's listed as time TBA in today's paper).
What great series so far. The D'backs are in major trouble, but I think they'll still pull out one before going down to the Cards. St. Louis is showing they could be the best team in the playoffs this year... they can win slugging the ball, or they can win the close pitching dual. That sounds like the Yankees of '98 and '99.
A's-Twins at the Hanky Dome tomorrow... can't wait!
Braves about to beat the Giants as I write this, and take it to San Fran 1-1. This series will go five games, and the Braves should win it in Hotlanta behind Millwood on Monday.
Yankees-Angels tomorrow at the Big A... can't wait!
All is good in the world tonight... Braves won, Cards up 2-0, and Yankees lost last night!
A's-Twins at the Hanky Dome tomorrow... can't wait!
Braves about to beat the Giants as I write this, and take it to San Fran 1-1. This series will go five games, and the Braves should win it in Hotlanta behind Millwood on Monday.
Yankees-Angels tomorrow at the Big A... can't wait!
All is good in the world tonight... Braves won, Cards up 2-0, and Yankees lost last night!
[quote]Originally posted by Jim Allen:
Well, BillSF, if the score tonight holds, you'll be enjoying a Game 4. Since the 49ers play the Lambs at 1:15 at the Stick, I hope for SF sports fans that it's the 5:00 game on Sunday (it's listed as time TBA in today's paper).
You never know about MLB scheduling. It's all dependent on the Yankees outcome (of course!). I'm prepared to just blow off the 49ers game, because getting out of Candlestick to make it to the Giants game would be, if not impossible, just a total drag!
Well, BillSF, if the score tonight holds, you'll be enjoying a Game 4. Since the 49ers play the Lambs at 1:15 at the Stick, I hope for SF sports fans that it's the 5:00 game on Sunday (it's listed as time TBA in today's paper).
You never know about MLB scheduling. It's all dependent on the Yankees outcome (of course!). I'm prepared to just blow off the 49ers game, because getting out of Candlestick to make it to the Giants game would be, if not impossible, just a total drag!
[quote]Originally posted by MSUBulldog:
Braves about to beat the Giants as I write this, and take it to San Fran 1-1. This series will go five games, and the Braves should win it in Hotlanta behind Millwood on Monday.
Giants will take both home games Saturday and Sunday. COLDlanta's dead!
Braves about to beat the Giants as I write this, and take it to San Fran 1-1. This series will go five games, and the Braves should win it in Hotlanta behind Millwood on Monday.
Giants will take both home games Saturday and Sunday. COLDlanta's dead!
[quote]Originally posted by homeplate:
you are too cruel, FeverDog! I suppose that you're a yankee fan who still can't get over the snakebite of last year? i think miguel bastista will pitch in game#3, so i'll keep my autographed baseball that he signed close by for luck.
Last year was a fluke. A fluke, I say!! I'm quite over it - I've got the '01 WS DVD (I just find myself skipping the last chapter), and who can stay angry at Gonzo? (What a cutie patootie!)
Now, if the Giants can bury the friggin' Braves in four, I'd be the happiest of pups.
you are too cruel, FeverDog! I suppose that you're a yankee fan who still can't get over the snakebite of last year? i think miguel bastista will pitch in game#3, so i'll keep my autographed baseball that he signed close by for luck.
Last year was a fluke. A fluke, I say!! I'm quite over it - I've got the '01 WS DVD (I just find myself skipping the last chapter), and who can stay angry at Gonzo? (What a cutie patootie!)
Now, if the Giants can bury the friggin' Braves in four, I'd be the happiest of pups.
[quote]Originally posted by Charlie in the Trees:
After watching the Braves/Giants game, does anyone have a clue as to how the Braves won over 100 games? I know their starting pitching has always been better in the regular season than in the play-offs, so I'm not referring to Glavine's start. I'm only now beginning to appreciate that this is the worst Braves team they've put on the field since the Chuck Tanner Era. They are relying on some truly awful washed-up players. That said: it'll go five because the Giants will have trouble finishing them off when they have them down.
Buck: I really don't like Buck; I don't want to conclude that he got his job through nepotism, but there are probably better announcers out there.
The Braves won 100 games because of their top three starters and their bullpen. They led the NL and the Major Leagues in ERA and overall pitching stats (though the Cubs had more strikeouts and the Johnson-Schilling tandem won more games than any other two NL starters). This has been the key for the Braves almost every time they've gone to the playoffs. Milwood really stepped up this year, and he pitched another beauty tonight. If Maddux can pitch a gem and Glavine also pitches up to his playoff standards, they will advance.
After watching the Braves/Giants game, does anyone have a clue as to how the Braves won over 100 games? I know their starting pitching has always been better in the regular season than in the play-offs, so I'm not referring to Glavine's start. I'm only now beginning to appreciate that this is the worst Braves team they've put on the field since the Chuck Tanner Era. They are relying on some truly awful washed-up players. That said: it'll go five because the Giants will have trouble finishing them off when they have them down.
Buck: I really don't like Buck; I don't want to conclude that he got his job through nepotism, but there are probably better announcers out there.
The Braves won 100 games because of their top three starters and their bullpen. They led the NL and the Major Leagues in ERA and overall pitching stats (though the Cubs had more strikeouts and the Johnson-Schilling tandem won more games than any other two NL starters). This has been the key for the Braves almost every time they've gone to the playoffs. Milwood really stepped up this year, and he pitched another beauty tonight. If Maddux can pitch a gem and Glavine also pitches up to his playoff standards, they will advance.
[quote]Originally posted by MSUBulldog:
What great series so far. The D'backs are in major trouble, but I think they'll still pull out one before going down to the Cards. St. Louis is showing they could be the best team in the playoffs this year... they can win slugging the ball, or they can win the close pitching dual. That sounds like the Yankees of '98 and '99.
MSUBulldog, just keep in mind how fragile the Cardinals' starting pitching is. They really only have three viable starters: Morris, Finley and Simontacchi. Morris is the Cards' best pitcher and a real talent. When he's on he's one of the best in the league. Finley was rocked earlier this year like last year, but he seems to have found his pitches in the NL. Simontacchi is a rookie who faltered in mid-season, though he managed to win 11 games and pick up steam by the end of the season. LaRussa has him in the bullpen for now. Benes is touch-and-go; he can either dazzle or frazzle, though he has been sharp since his post-All Star game return, but remember that he was nearly released earlier. I'm worried about him--if he's on, he will shut the Diamondbacks down, but.... If the Cardinals can get past SF/Atl, how will they deal with the AL teams' lineups? This will be a real test. My hope is that Woody Williams' side heals, because he can pitch his ass off, and that Rolen's shoulder heals in time if there's further post-season play. They need him in the lineup, even as a DH! GO CARDINALS!
What great series so far. The D'backs are in major trouble, but I think they'll still pull out one before going down to the Cards. St. Louis is showing they could be the best team in the playoffs this year... they can win slugging the ball, or they can win the close pitching dual. That sounds like the Yankees of '98 and '99.
MSUBulldog, just keep in mind how fragile the Cardinals' starting pitching is. They really only have three viable starters: Morris, Finley and Simontacchi. Morris is the Cards' best pitcher and a real talent. When he's on he's one of the best in the league. Finley was rocked earlier this year like last year, but he seems to have found his pitches in the NL. Simontacchi is a rookie who faltered in mid-season, though he managed to win 11 games and pick up steam by the end of the season. LaRussa has him in the bullpen for now. Benes is touch-and-go; he can either dazzle or frazzle, though he has been sharp since his post-All Star game return, but remember that he was nearly released earlier. I'm worried about him--if he's on, he will shut the Diamondbacks down, but.... If the Cardinals can get past SF/Atl, how will they deal with the AL teams' lineups? This will be a real test. My hope is that Woody Williams' side heals, because he can pitch his ass off, and that Rolen's shoulder heals in time if there's further post-season play. They need him in the lineup, even as a DH! GO CARDINALS!
[quote]Originally posted by fantomas:
The Braves won 100 games because of their top three starters and their bullpen.
And because they play in the NL Least. Only the AL Central was that bad from top (well, from second) to bottom.
Edited to add:
Rolen injury considered serious
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]
The Braves won 100 games because of their top three starters and their bullpen.
And because they play in the NL Least. Only the AL Central was that bad from top (well, from second) to bottom.
Edited to add:
Rolen injury considered serious
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]
I'm all stressed out about the upcoming Yankees/Angels game! I want to see the Angels stop the Yanks from going to another World Series. Also, I hope the Giants kick the Braves' ass in this series. If it's another Yanks/Braves WS, I'll give up on baseball, and will NEVER post on this forum ever again. I'm sure that all of the Yankee lovers will be pleased to hear that.
Besides the rotation and utterly surprising bullpen, the Braves had the Joneses (both of whom made my MVP ballot on the Internet baseball Awards), Sheffield, and a couple infielders who could hit (DeRosa and Giles). And Cox deserves Manager of the Year (even tho they got to play all those games vs the rest of the NL East).
Damn, is Mark DeRosa the best-looking Brave since Mike Bielecki or what...?
Damn, is Mark DeRosa the best-looking Brave since Mike Bielecki or what...?
[quote]Originally posted by Bill W:
... and a couple infielders who could hit (DeRosa and Giles)
Haven't the Braves benched cutie Marcus Giles in favor of Keith Lockhart?
I still can't believe a team that starts Vinny Castilla AND Julio Franco 2002 can go deep in the playoffs, no matter how good their outfield.
... and a couple infielders who could hit (DeRosa and Giles)
Haven't the Braves benched cutie Marcus Giles in favor of Keith Lockhart?
I still can't believe a team that starts Vinny Castilla AND Julio Franco 2002 can go deep in the playoffs, no matter how good their outfield.
Ruh-roh. Yankees 3-0 in the top of the first. And I nearly wiped out a sidewalk of pedestrians rushing home for THIS?
Time to go cook dinner.
Time to go cook dinner.
[quote]Originally posted by Jim Allen:
And I nearly wiped out a sidewalk of pedestrians rushing home for THIS?
[QUOTE]
Jim, you sure you weren't a passenger in Sebastian Janikowski's Mercedes?
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: gamecock ]
And I nearly wiped out a sidewalk of pedestrians rushing home for THIS?
[QUOTE]
Jim, you sure you weren't a passenger in Sebastian Janikowski's Mercedes?
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: gamecock ]
Just got back from the Twins/A's game. Everyone keep their fingers crossed that Koskie and Co. can come from behind and take it from the A's tomorrow and Sunday.
Wow! Saw much of the A's-Twins on TV this afternoon, and the Metrodome was rocking just as I knew it would. Something about Minnesota in the playoffs. Tough loss today, but maybe they'll have some luck against Hudson tomorrow. They better hope so.
Braves/Giants: yes, the offense sucks for the most part. Even Sheffield had an off year, with injuries. The injury to BJ Surhoff early in the year necessitated the callup of Matt Franco, who made a great platoon with Julio at first. Neither is outstanding, but most platoons don't have an outstanding player... which is the necessity for the platoon. Castilla is solid defensively at third, and that is about all you can say. Furcal gets things started for Chipper, Sheff, and Andruw. Giles/Lockhart/DeRosa is a passable 2B combination, but Giles was injured quite a bit of the year too. Javy had injuries as well, but Blanco filled in great defensively and added some surprising offense. The glue of this team: Maddux/Glavine/Millwood, Hammond/Holmes/Remlinger/Smoltz, and Jones/Jones/Sheff in the outfield.
Cards/D'Backs: Bad news about Rolen today, but it could have been worse. Yes, the Cards have a weak rotation behind Morris, but their offense won a lot of games this year. Hence the reason why Simontacci won 11 games (7 of his first 9 starts, I think?), Benes was a second half surprise, Finley has pitched well since coming over, and Woody Williams has pitched well between injuries. A sweep with Batista on the hill is a definite possiblity, the Cards love playing at home and have the BEST fans!
Yanks/Angels: I hope the Halos come back tonight, otherwise we'll probably be seeing the Damn Yankees in prime time for the next week! But it may be worth it to finally get the ALCS showdown of A's-Yanks (early prediction: A's in 6). Otherwise, Halos will lose 4 of 5 to the Green and Gold.
Braves/Giants: yes, the offense sucks for the most part. Even Sheffield had an off year, with injuries. The injury to BJ Surhoff early in the year necessitated the callup of Matt Franco, who made a great platoon with Julio at first. Neither is outstanding, but most platoons don't have an outstanding player... which is the necessity for the platoon. Castilla is solid defensively at third, and that is about all you can say. Furcal gets things started for Chipper, Sheff, and Andruw. Giles/Lockhart/DeRosa is a passable 2B combination, but Giles was injured quite a bit of the year too. Javy had injuries as well, but Blanco filled in great defensively and added some surprising offense. The glue of this team: Maddux/Glavine/Millwood, Hammond/Holmes/Remlinger/Smoltz, and Jones/Jones/Sheff in the outfield.
Cards/D'Backs: Bad news about Rolen today, but it could have been worse. Yes, the Cards have a weak rotation behind Morris, but their offense won a lot of games this year. Hence the reason why Simontacci won 11 games (7 of his first 9 starts, I think?), Benes was a second half surprise, Finley has pitched well since coming over, and Woody Williams has pitched well between injuries. A sweep with Batista on the hill is a definite possiblity, the Cards love playing at home and have the BEST fans!
Yanks/Angels: I hope the Halos come back tonight, otherwise we'll probably be seeing the Damn Yankees in prime time for the next week! But it may be worth it to finally get the ALCS showdown of A's-Yanks (early prediction: A's in 6). Otherwise, Halos will lose 4 of 5 to the Green and Gold.
Angels down 6-1...NO PROBLEMO! A fine comeback to take a 2-1 series lead. Maybe some Disney magic is taking out that Yankees mystique?
[quote]Jim, you sure you weren't a passenger in Sebastian Janikowski's Mercedes?
Buwahaha! Nope the only kicker who's car I'd get in would be Mike Hollis.
Well, well, well.....the Angels came back again. Honestly, this is the truth, I'm terrifed to let myself become emotionally invested in this team; the heartache and natural shocks that my flesh has been heir to since I became an Angels fan in 1974 has been almost too much. But they are playing with great spirit, they're getting timely hits and the pitching has been great when it's been needed.
I've not agreed with Mike Scoscia's decision to sit Adam Kennedy against lefties this year. He can hit the baseball and he's a better fielder than Gil--just play the boy! He did well tonight.
I'll be a basket case tomorrow.
Too bad about the Twins.
Buwahaha! Nope the only kicker who's car I'd get in would be Mike Hollis.
Well, well, well.....the Angels came back again. Honestly, this is the truth, I'm terrifed to let myself become emotionally invested in this team; the heartache and natural shocks that my flesh has been heir to since I became an Angels fan in 1974 has been almost too much. But they are playing with great spirit, they're getting timely hits and the pitching has been great when it's been needed.
I've not agreed with Mike Scoscia's decision to sit Adam Kennedy against lefties this year. He can hit the baseball and he's a better fielder than Gil--just play the boy! He did well tonight.
I'll be a basket case tomorrow.
Too bad about the Twins.
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