The Hawks shot 68% from the field. 68 percent!

Where the hell is the Knicks defense of the mid 90s?

Pretty sure it's in Miami at the moment.

It seems every time an opposing player passes the ball off to a teammate who is wide open for a 3, it's Jamal Crawford that goes running towards that player to put a hand in his face.

Of course he is way too late. No wonder the Knicks are giving up 3's at a record pace.

[ December 17, 2005, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: amazin12 ]

Of course the Knicks did score 111 points last night, but they do lead the league in turnovers. You can count on Stephon Marbury to provide at least six a game. The passing is just abysmal.

LET'S GO KNICKS!

The final score was not an indicator of what the game was like. It was not close from start to finish. The Knicks were completely blown out of the Peach State.

[ December 17, 2005, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: amazin12 ]

A very interesting article in today's New York Daily News regarding the unbelievable amount of tension (specifically between Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury) in the locker room. Things have apparently only escalated more after the Knicks dropped to 6-17 (despite playing pretty well against the Pacers). Isiah Thomas, who is in the middle, didn't win my sympathy on Friday telling WFAN that he does NOT regret a single move that he has made since joining the Knicks organization (which will be exactly two years on Thursday). The Daily News gave a good overview of the contracts that Thomas does NOT regret.

"YOUR MOVE, ISIAH

Isiah Thomas is ready to start dealing again but he could find it tough to trade the players Larry Brown would like to deport:

Stephon Marbury: His contract is next to impossible to trade. Unless a team like Toronto is interested, Thomas may be forced to take bad contracts.

Jerome James: A serviceable backup but not at $30 million over five years. He's not going anywhere.

Quentin Richardson: Another bad contract. But in the right situation with the right point guard he can be effective. He was a starter on a Phoenix team that won 62 games.

Jamal Crawford: Brown likes his attitude but isn't crazy about his game. As a sixth man, Crawford could grow on the head coach.

The Vets: Make Thomas a deal - any deal - for Maurice Taylor, Penny Hardaway, Malik Rose or Antonio Davis and he'll listen."

What a mess!
Nevertheless, LET'S GO KNICKS!

Not to mention adding to the mix Qyntel "Dog" Woods.

Wow, I forgot what it was like to watch the Knicks win a game! Special thanks to Utah for not bringing Andrei Kirilenko (out with an injury) to New York wink !

LET'S GO KNICKS!

Any game that features 87 (!!) free throws would be painful to watch, no matter who wins it (Knicks went 29-42 from the line and the Jazz were 32-45.)

~Adam

Believe it or not, that is pretty good for the Knicks. In addition to everything else this season, their free throw shooting has been abysmal.

The Magic shot 52 percent against the Knicks and
Marbury didn't have a single field goal.

Ridiculous! :confused:

Poor Larry Brown. What a way to end a great coaching career. At least Eddy Curry made a good showing...until he got injured.

Isiah Thomas should resign. He has turned this into an embarrassing situation. The problem I have with Isiah is he has changed the team so much since he has been here. The team has never had a shot to gel and develop some chemistry.

I remember in his first year the Knicks were doing well and then he sticks his nose in and deals Keith Van Horn. From there the Knicks started to stumble. He also dealt Doleac. He brings in 2 guys who are no longer with the team now. Do you see? He makes way too many suffocating changes which deny the Knicks a chance to have some chemistry.

Case in point. Why did he deal Kurt Thomas? He was an integral part of the Knicks chemistry since he was here for so many years. He brings in Quentin Richardson who has been a major bust.
As in all major sports, too many new faces (no matter how good they are) means you will lose.

Too many changes Isiah. You screwed up the chemistry. The Knicks are losing to teams who have chemistry. Resign now Isiah!

In fairness to Isiah (as well as Scott Layden, for that matter) NY is a win-now type of town. We don't have much patience and we're always expecting the team to get better through quick trades, instead of patiently suffering through a bad season and waiting to draft the next high school or college star from the lottery. So I'm sure there's pressure from Cablevision or whoever runs the Garden to make sure that the Knicks win sooner rather than later.

That said, Isiah has made quite a few missteps. The Van Horn trade might not have been so bad, since I don't think Van Horn's max salary was warranted given his stats. But like Layden, Isiah overvalues average players who performed well for their old teams (Quentin Richardson and Tim Thomas come to mind). Isiah probably thought Kurt Thomas was on the decline, but even if that were true, Kurt would have at least provided additional veteran leadership on this young team. But ultimately, I think his worse moves were placing the Knicks's future in the hands of Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford. Marbury is probably a great playground player, but he has never shown an ability to lead a team through the playoffs. And Crawford is a poor defender who likes to jack up off balance shots with reckless abandon.

The Knicks really need to lose the flashy players and look for solid workers--defensive specialists, pass-first point guards, a big man with solid fundamentals in the post. It's really that simple, but I worry that Isiah is more interested in the razzle-dazzle of high scorers, or controversial figures like Artest.

And let's not forget the comical Jerome James signing. Then there's acquiring over the hill players like Malik Rose (as if there something Rose could ever do that Kurt Thomas couldn't do better?). The list goes on forever.

Isiah's saving grace, though, has been his recent draft picks. Maybe he should resign, so someone else could develop them, instead of trading them away.

I understand the win-now philosophy, and that it's hard for fans and media often to see that the plan is long term. But as an NBA watcher I don't see a plan in NY. The team has an enormous payroll, as far as I know the biggest in the NBA. They hire a veteran coach who just left a championship team. And got worse!
Thomas has given huge contracts to players with a history of injury who, guess what, got injured. The team can jettison and go young, hope to develop talent in the long term, but that's not what they are doing. Or they can be expensive and good, but they are not doing that. Hell, they are not even mediocre.
I can't see how Thomas holds onto that job. How many years has he been there? The team keeps going downhill. They went into this season thinking playoffs and are now tied for the 2nd fewest wins in the NBA.
This isn't the Clippers and Warriors of last year, the Blazers of this year, not even the Hawks. They aren't young, talented and raw. (Except Robinson) They aren't looking a lot of kids over to see how can and cannot play at this level. They really don't seem to know where they are going.

What is going on now in the Knicks organization is straight up criminal. Their payroll today would be on the order of $110 million (by far the largest in the NBA) were it not for the medical retirement of Alan Houston. The more they spend, the worse they get. On certain nights it seems that they can even be bothered to make a pretense of an effort.

The real question is when are the Dolans going to step in and really clean house? If I were Isiah Thomas, I'd be updating my resume and looking for a side hustle...

Isiah Thomas is the Matt Millen of the NBA.

Ugh! Sitting through another Knicks loss... There are two kinds of games with these guys--games in which they are being blown out that you know they are going to lose and games in which they are close with two minutes left that you know they are going to lose . At least Nate Robinson looked good on offense and David Lee had some nice rebounds.

LET'S GO KNICKS!

And with the Raptors' road victory at Indiana, the Knicks now find themselves in last place.

Tonight's game was the same old story. Too many new faces which still have not clicked together well enough to play down the stretch. Their lack of chemistry shows mostly on defense. Why, oh why did Isiah trade Kurt Thomas? There's just too much "newness" on this team. It's impossible to win in the NBA against teams with chemistry.

And one thing that bothered me tonight was in the closing seconds Marbury was driving the lane for easy 2's when the Knicks really needed 3-point attempts. It seemed to me Marbury was just looking to pad his scoring stats with those easy 2's. :mad:

[ December 30, 2005, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: amazin12 ]

Oh, man... Even the commentators were saying that the Knicks MUST go for 3-point shots from about 27 seconds left. Stephon "I love New York" Marbury looks anything but like a leader. Then, you've got Jamal Crawford TAKING stupid 3-point shots with 17 seconds left on the shot clock on several occasions. I was thinking: "if he takes one more stupid shot from the 'y' on the painted letters 'Bradley Center' on the Milwaukee floor, I am going to strangle this man."

The Knicks missed twenty-one damn free throws tonight :mad: ! But they somehow found a way to defeat the Suns in triple overtime. I suppose it helped that Phoenix had only six players left in the final two minutes. I know that we are sitting with a record of 8-21, but it was nice to see them finally play as a team tonight. The Knicks players and coach looked as if they actually tolerated each other and were, GASP!, having fun.

LET'S GO KNICKS!

It was a thrilling game. I thought for sure with 9 seconds left in the 2nd OT and the game tied, that Steve Nash would break all the Knicks' fans hearts with a game winning hoop or assist. But fortunately it didn't happen. I hate to be pessimistic but this game should've never gone into OT in the first place. The Knicks led virtually the entire game and then spazzed in the final moments of regulation.

[ January 03, 2006, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: amazin12 ]

Radman gets 30, 8 of 10 from 3pt land, Sonics were playing great D till this game under Bob Hill. Knicks 120-116, yet Bob Hill says this has been their best performance so far with him as coach. Whatever I'm confused.

ummmm.....Knicks 92 at Cleveland 84.....that's four in a row. Time to scold this team for doing so well. Get back to what you guys do best, NOW!

Um, I don't know which "you guys" to whom you are referring, but I have been unflinchingly "LET'S GO KNICKS!" whether they are winning or not. So, in good faith, I will assume you are kidding around. ...and yes, I have been watching the winning streak (only missed last night's win over the Cavs).

LET'S GO KNICKS!

What the hell...? They're in striking distance from the final playoff spot. Nice! :cool:

[ January 11, 2006, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Neptune ]

Isn't it usually about now--just as a team seems to be coming together--that Larry Brown starts dropping hints about another job he really wants? wink Have the players finally bought into Brown's point-guard driven philosophy of the game (if so, the Knicks success should continue) or is this streak a mere fluke?

~Adam

nah, just a sarcastic knock on the inept ways of the Knicks that had them at the bottom of the conference for a while.....I almost made the roadie(3 hrs) to Cleveland last night...good thing I didn't, I don't have much luck seeing them live.

The streak is over as the Raptors scored a franchise high 129 points in a 129-103 rout.

Knicks decide to get another losing streak started falling 96-90 at home to the T'Wolves.

They were down by 18 or so in the second half but rallied to within two in the final minute before Troy Hudson nailed a killer three with about 10 seconds left to seal the deal.

Arghhh....

Oh man, I'm watching the Knicks-Piston game. Granted, the Knicks are playing the league's best team, but how did they find a way to be down by 30 in the fourth quarter? :confused:

What happened? 2006 had such a promising start. frown

No Marbury. No Antonio Davis. Larry Brown had to start the 3 kids. It's been a blowout since the 1st quarter. I'm a little jealous of the Pistons. They looked like the Harlem Globetrotters in the 3rd quarter. They were literally walking around and passing the ball to open men with no effort and no sweat. Right now they are making a mockery of the Knicks and the NBA.

One thing that's amazing is 2 of the Pistons' losses are to Utah, whom the Knicks beat twice this season. Go figure.

One more note. The Knicks got killed more tonight by being on national TV. The TNT studio hosts and analysts are making so much fun of them. It's sad.

Oh well, screw the NBA. It's on to baseball.

Yeah I caught Sir Charles and the gang. It was rough, though my sentiments weren't much different.

At this point, I'm wondering how long Larry Brown is willing to stick by this team--will he start rethinking retirement?

The other thing that pisses me off is that even though the team is doing poorly, they wont get the benefit of a good lottery pick since they gave it up as part of the Eddy Curry trade. Boo! :mad:

What bothers me about the NBA more than the other major sports, is how the studio analysts, play-by-play announcers and color commentators can carry on and disrespectfully laugh uncontrollably about a weak team. You never see this childish behavior in baseball or football.

I thought it was just the TNT team that behaved that way, but I could be mistaken.

Yes, it was mostly the TNT studio crew but Reggie Miller (one of the color commentators) was going a little overboard with his ridiculing of the Knicks. But unfotunately for the Knicks this is the 2nd non-competitive blowout Reggie Miller has had to sit through this season at the Garden. He had a front row seat at that disaster against the Pacers a few weeks back.

Knicks dropped their 5th straight at home tonight to the average Hornets. The team should not have even taken the court tonight. They have no chance to win without Stephon Marbury. You can thrown in a suspended Antonio Davis as well, but without the star point guard there is no hope.

The one thing about the NBA is if a team is missing its star player that team is doomed. Look at how the Rockets have fared without McGrady and Yao Ming. Imagine the Lakers without Kobe Bryant. And the Heat without Shaq.

That's why I believe coaching in the NBA is so overrated. Excluding the Pistons, the coaches of all other teams really ride on the coat-tails of their star players.

In other sports, like baseball for instance, if one of your star players goes down with an injury, it doesn't hurt as much because you're only as good anyway as the next day's starting pitchers.

[ January 21, 2006, 07:46 PM: Message edited by: amazin12 ]

True to some extent but basketball with 5 players on court at once all making significant impacts on every play and the star player playing 40 minutes a game compared to baseball with a large roster and a player up to bat 4 times, comparing apples and oranges. The coach I do think is of importance, The Nate McMillan coached Sonics were pretty dominant for most the season last year and made headway into the playoffs, basically the same team this year minus AD and JJ are playing pathetic first under Bob Weiss now Bob Hill, think finding the right fit for coach for the right team and organization is important.

And they lose again, this time to the Hawks, 120-101. Anyone have any good trade ideas? I hear Kevin Garnett might be available. Too bad the Knicks have nothing decent to give up in exchange. :mad:

As Knicks fans, I think we have had to deal with quite a bit over the years. But this team just keeps spiraling and spiraling downward. This is why I didn't get too jazzed when they won six straight. There was nothing else on television on Saturday night, and I still avoided the game against the Sixers--couldn't deal with the frustration. Excluding this season, the Rangers have been hopeless, too, for the past seven years. But, one could see a direction for the team, and I continued to stick with them. Right now, I have no idea what the Knicks are doing. This is a disaster!

Nevertheless, LET'S GO KNICKS!

Nice to see the Knicks have returned to their former selves....they were scaring me with that long winning streak.....sigh.

It was so bad 2 nights ago that the Garden crowd was rooting for Kobe. What the hell is that?

The NBA knows that it's in the league's financial interest to have the Knicks do well (good team + big media market = $$$$$ for league). If only the Knicks owners (the Dolans?) would realize this simple fact... :confused:

On the Yankees threads over the years, I have been openly critical of New York Daily News writer Mike Lupica for bashing my Yankees at almost the same immature level as some of the OutSporters. HOWEVER, he has been right on the mark in today's column--which basically questions any reason that Isiah Thomas would have a job by the end of this season and the incompetence of the James Dolan.

Losers know the score

I'd love for the Dolans to buy out Isiah's contract--right now, the team isn't any better than it was on the day that he arrived. But getting rid of Isiah would be admitting that it was a mistake to hire him--and I feel like the Dolans are too proud/arrogant to ever do that. Boo!

Where are the damn sports threads? :confused: BUMP!

I think Isiah is one the worst GMs in any sport, but at least he drafted a whole heap of good young talent. His trades, on the other hand, have been a joke. Does Mike Lupica really want Isiah to make more trades before the deadline? Be careful what you wish for!

And I think that the untouchable God -- Larry Brown himself -- has to come in for some criticism. With players like Curry, Frye, Marbury -- and the flashes shown by Ariza, Robinson and others, the Knicks should have a much better record than they do, particularly playing most of their games against Eastern Conference opponents. Instead, Larry tinkers, tinkers and criticizes his players. And then refuses to even talk to them to their faces (Ariza). I know Brown is an Icon, but I think he's doing a lousy job too.

BUMP Again!

Ten bucks said either Larry Brown or Isiah will be gone by the end of the season. Special bonus if both make their exits.

Also, at least with the LA Clippers, you knew that they were underperforming for so many years because ownership wasn't willing to fork over the $$$ to put a decent team on the court. But the Knicks have one of the highest payrolls in the league. :confused:

I'm confused as to why you are bumping. It's as if you expect the thread to be the first thing you see or something. If you're reading the board by going through "most active topics" odds are you'll see all kinds of threads, many of them non-sports. If you click on the direct link to the main page of the discussion board, you'd see the most recent post in each category. This thread is the most active one in the Pro Basketball area and earlier today it was listed as having the most recent post.

No I only bumped it because at the time there wasn't a single sports topic being discussed, and I needed a respite from the P&R shenanigans. Plus I loves me some Knicks, though right now it's kind of an abusive Ike and Tina type of relationship. frown