She should definitely be the All-time winningest coach but will be able to tie Dean Smith in the first round. It would be a spectular year of the Lady Vols can win it all with Pat Summitt becoming first in all time wins for men and women. She has been around a long long time.

I love Pat The Good. She is a rarity: Coaching an entire career at only one school debuting as a fresh-out-of college coach in the fall of 1974. She is a graduate of UofTennessee-Martin.

[ March 07, 2005, 10:21 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

Chic basketball is NOT a sport.

If i'm going to a horse race, i'm putting down a bet.

tally ho.

What's that choking sound I hear? It must be some football team in Phillyland.

Whats that chirping sound i hear?

chic sports section, and the crowds that attend them... which consists of: the parents of the chics taking up money they should use for the REAL sports.

If you want to diss any sport, start a separate thread. This was started to discuss Pat Summitt, so please stay on topic.
Thanks

Sorry Mr Outsports.

This little lady should get as much respect as a typical Jr High coach, who has coached their lifetime there...

To try and compare this lady to the likes of Dean Smith, Wooden, Larry Brown, Lute Olsen and such is foolish. There are maybe 3-4 decent ladies teams who could beat your typical HS mens team... that's alot of padding of wins in my book

Plus, no one cares...

That on topic?

This is just a dumb-ass argument, PF. I suppose we should just do away with separate men's and women's sports and force women to play against men in everything? If that were to happen, you'd probably find yourself getting your ass kicked by some of those "chics" that you're disparaging. Would that prove anything to you?

By the way, most top women's teams have a squad of men (fellow college students) that they practice against, and regularly kick the snot out of. It would take one hell of a high school boy's team to even come close to competing against the collegiate women.

P.S. You shouldn't try to put Lute Olson in the same class as Dean Smith, John Wooden, Larry Brown and Pat Summitt. He's not that good.

ummm so weasy, these little ladies play against the drunk sig ep frat squad of players who maybe played on their HS team??? They play against men not good enough to try out for the mens team, and that makes a coach such as summitt deserving of the all time coaches ranks? Think you are just proving my point.

We should put this accomplishment where it belongs, along the lines of some great ping-pong coach.

Not really bashing the little ladies, just putting into perspective. The lower levels of sports.

These ladies have their place in big time college sports, they are called cheerleaders.

I saw on ESPN where they ranked her in the "all time" basketball coaches... i almost spit my coffee out this morning.

What exactly was your point again? Are you saying Summitt is not a great coach, or are you saying women shouldn't compete in sports? Or were you trying to make another point altogether? It's so hard to tell with your random logic.

I'm saying that her accomplishments should not be ranked anywhere near any of the other coaches, even olsen.

They can create a new category to rate coaches such as her. They can include Table tennis, Little League Coaches (just so some men can be involved), chic softball, chess, the debate club and such.

This is just a sport that no one pays attention to (like the WNBA). The competition is minimal, the athletic abilities are minimal... Her accomplishments are minimal.

Womens basketball is not great. It consists of maybe 2-3 good team beating up on the scab squads of other schools. Outside of Uconn and Tenn, no one pays attention.

Philly Fan-

I think you are making a mistake here of trying to compare apples to oranges. You are focusing on the male versus female players.

Instead, you should be focusing on coaching skills. You don't win as many games as Pat Summit unless you have skills to recruit, motivate, and teach.

I'm sorry, PF, but you are way out of bounds on this one. Dead wrong. Pat Summit is one of the most talented basketball coaches in the history of the game, men or women.

I wonder what your comments might be if this were Geno Auriemma....

P.S. I dare you to even try to hit a fastball off Lisa Fernandez or Jennie Finch. C'mon man... show some respect for women and their talents. You have a serious sexism issue, PF.

[ March 07, 2005, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: kick ]

Pat Summitt is already a LEGEND in the game of basketball so you can't take anything away from her (unless you are a dumbass). I believe she may have been the first in WCBB to have her ladies practice against men on a regular basis.

The woman can flat out coach and is trailblazer, a true student of the game and consistently innovative (meaning she's not afraid to change offensive philosphy etc. when needed). The Vols should put her in charge of the Men's program.

She has certainly earned her right to be compared to the great male coaches in the profession.

Am i to assume that this is the Uconn dude? Then i'd ask why he failed in the real arena of basketball and have to come coach the ladies???? Sorta like if you became an arena football coach, means you are not good enough for the NFL or college football.

I'm sure she's a wonderful coach in what she does, which is coach third level basketball. Why doesnt she come coach with the big boys?

Oh and if playing against some scab men, is innovative... ummmmmmm... says something about the talent level she has to coach, minimal.

Go Jim..I certainly agree. I reasoning for this post was to say how great Pat is as a coach and she will soon past one of the legendary coaches of all-time. That's really special and great for women's college basketball.

I totally agree. Maybe even for one game a year, the two coaches could switch jobs and coach each other's team. Many times over the last few years, the women's games have had better attendance than the men's games! And for anyone to say that women can't draw a crowd, look at this:
TENNESSEE vs. CONNECTICUT
NCAA Women’s Attendance Record
24,611 • Jan. 5, 2002
Thompson-Boling Arena
Knoxville, Tennessee
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[ March 08, 2005, 06:33 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

Yeah whatever!!! Stop making blatantly wrong statements! While reading this thread, your arrogance reminded me of Sean Hannity of FoxNews. You think your opinion is the only one that matters and if you argue it enough, you think that makes you right. Talk about narrow-mindedness. When I played college ball in the mid-80's, our fan base consisted of way more than just parents of the "chics", who were on the teams. There, this should knock out one of your misconceptions

Her name came up when Buzz Peterson was hired, several times. News stories were actually running that Tennessee's AD planned to interview her for the job. She decided that she really liked the women's program that she's built from, literally, nothing, and the opportunity she has to work with the WNBA in the summer, and said "No thanks".

Hey thats my bad,

I'm sure that these little girls also rope their roomates, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles to go be bored for 2 hours. Probably some of their GF's showed up too. Then the one or two who had BF's.

Sorry there toots, but i was once roped into going to a WNBA game (Pro level hahaha).. I've never seen such bad shooting, bad passing, clomping around...since i was at a junior high basketball game.

I call chic basketball and this little girl's accomplishments minimal. Why? because it's second tier basketball.

I believe that I would be a solid chic coach. I'd recruit these girls and teach the game of rebounding. OK ladies, just play down low grab the rebound when the next brick gets launched...

I wonder if GatorJamie is paying attention to this....

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Sorry there toots, but i was once roped into going to a WNBA game (Pro level hahaha).. I've never seen such bad shooting, bad passing, clomping around...since i was at a junior high basketball game.
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Yeah I can relate to seeing very poorly played sporting matches! I've gone to many professional games of different sorts played by men, or what you would call the upper tier of athletes, and have been BORED TO TEARS with the level of play exhibited by these millionaires. For instance baseball, which I imagine you do not find to be the most boring game on the face of the earth and I bet you think it is such a glorious display of athleticism??? Give me a break wink

To each their own.....

Yes those damn baseball players who make millions, millions watch them, millions pay money to see them.

Nothing like say, having your league gravytrain from the NBA...

Just to remain on topic... she still has no business being ranked in the top 10 coaches EVER... no way.

[ March 08, 2005, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

Actually PF really enjoys discussing chic sports, or the oxymoron that it is... everyone knows this.

Now, back to the races, i'll take the number 5 horse to win.

Talking about yourself in the third person is a sign of mental illness. I guess that explains it all.

If you are going to remove college sports that don't pay for themselves, what's left? Football and some basketball?

As for Pat not being included in the list of the greatest coaches ever, that is one of the craziest things you have ever said...and there have been some doozies!

Y'all, that's just PF auditioning for the new movie, Grump Young Men. Beneath that gruff Walter Mathial-esque persona, beats the heart of the Grinch.



However, I'm with Philly on this, Women's basketball is fun if your alma mater is playing in a tournament. Other than that, I wouldn't go see it. Of course, I don't get to any Auburn men's games either. The Plains on a weeknight is too hard to get to from Bham.

[ March 08, 2005, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: Aubie in Bham ]

AMEN! Actually the mighty Lumberjacks sent the horses to the tourney one year, guess what? No one cared. Not even I, and we dont often have much to root for... not even I am that desperate.

My point is simple folks, and 99.8% of america agree with me... no one likes chic sports. Mean? No, just reality.

I will take all of this back if it can be established that Mud Wrestling is, infact, a sport. However, I dont wish to see a softball or basketball babe doing that. I tri-athlete, yeah that would be fun... eh GJ?

Oh right, let's not forget that mens' professional sports were established what, 80 years ago, and faced no competition. Collegiately, men have been competing longer than that versus women, who did not really have a voice until the mid-70's!

As far as the best-coaches-ever - what is your criteria for being recognized as one of them? Only if you coach a man's team???? If it's not for building and maintaining a winning tradition, what is it?

Congrats in 30 years years of playing, the chics have gained 4 fans, other than mom and dad of course. If the WNBA is so great, why can't they support themselves? Arena football has, but there is some competition level there... being men.

Let's call a duck a duck.... chic sports are around so we can be PC, the WNBA will be around because we dont want to offend the hags who are playing. Patty Summitt has a job because the 2 major mens programs support her little experiment of practicing against drunk frat boy squads.

I judge a good coach by how they compete vs the competition level. We will never truely know how good of a coach she is until she coaches some actual athletes with skill level... that's my point.

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Please show me the poll that backs up this claim. I know you like to live in your own little PF world, but c'mon, you can't really believe that 99.8% of the country agrees with you on this.
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This is easy to answer... look at the ratings. Look at the attendence.

The largest crowd to watch the girls play was 20 some thousand? Do they even sell out the final 4 for the ladies? Their final 4 is on ESPN isnt it? That's like having the superbowl on ESPN... joke.

But yes, i love watching mid majors play. I went to a mid major, those are the teams i usually root for in the tourney.

Hey Weasy, why dont you make a tourney pool for the horses and walk it around the office, tell me how many crazy looks you get.... those people are the 99.8%.

Chic sports? Is that sports where players wear high fashion clothing?

I knew there was hatred for women on the board, but I do wonder what would Outsports do if someone came here talking about "fag sports" or "kike sports" or "nigger sports" being so inherently inferior as to not deserve mention with "real sports". Probably consider it out of line?

the PC police have struck, this is the most run any "womens" sports thread had in a long time.

Pat Summitt, great coach at lower level athletics. Not one of the best coaches ever... Whats wrong with saying that?

Just to stay on topic.

Ms. De Blazer, don't let PF get to you. There is certainly not a hatred on women on this board. I personally take great offense to you claiming there is (PF doesn't count).

Pat Summit is an incredible coach and deserves accolades for her accomplishments.

PF, I think we need to narrow the scope on chic sports and their popularity. If you look at "traditional" women's sports like gymnastics, you'll find they have some pretty dang good attendance figures. Sara Patterson at Alabama consistently pulls in sell out crowds in Ttown and when they compete in Birmingham. The UGA Gymdogs do the same.

So, to Summit up (hee hee), she's a dang good coach in a sport in which there isn't a lot of fan or media interest. This certainly doesn't detract from her ability.

However, I would LOVE to see her coach the boys game, except the boys couldn't take the discipline that she would instill.

Okay, sports fans, I think PhillyPhan has authorized college football (as well as most athletic programs) to be eliminated from about 75% of all college campuses because most of the schools have crappy teams.

Still, he can't justify removing women's basketball from the schools that generate a revenue (Tennessee, LSU, Texas Tech, Texas, UConn, etc.).

Sure you would be able to coach (and especially recruit) in the game of women's college basketeball. With the amount of respect you have for the game....

If no one cares for Women's Basketball, why are there 20 folks on here arguing against your flaming?

Yes, they do sell, out the final four. Reguarly. Women's Basketball is the third highest draw of any NCAA sports. Not just in Knoxville or Storrs.

I would not be suprised if at Tennessee, WBB is the second most important revenue generating sport. As a matter of fact, I would be willing to bet with you on that.

Pat Summitt is a great coach, period. If you coach against half of the top 25 teams in your sport, every single year, and win 84% of your games, then you are a great coach. No matter what level you claim WBB to be.
She was in the discussion for several men's BB jobs as well as a couple of NBA gigs. Why did she stay? Why did coach K stay?

She really has nothing to prove to people like you. If you like it or not, in two weeks she will rank supreme on the list of College Basketball Coaches. She will be there for a long long long time as well. The only active coach who might catch her one day is Geno Auriemma.

[ March 08, 2005, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: GoCocks ]

Comparing Pat Summit to the men is apples and oranges really.

Still a great coach nonetheless, and better than the opinion of PF by far.

btw....as much I don't have much of a passion for women's hoops, I can honestly say that there are probably more fans of that sport than say...the NHL.

Yes, TV ratings will back me up on that one.

Actually PF, your "point" can easily be covered by wearing a hat!

In all of chic hoops you can only name 5 which may generate some intrest/revenue for the school? Boober, if that is the case, you will lose that arguement... all i would have to do is look up the top 50 programs right now.

MENS sports rake in the bucks via TV contracts not the people in the seats. The programs you list would be appealing to those few small local markets, and maybe a few dumb alumni across that nation.

Once the university receives this money, well, then it is how they choose to spend those dollars that count. I'm sure a univ such as Ohio St pumps way more (if not more than they make) into the football program. I'm sure a univ such as the U of A puts alot of it back into it's own basketball program. That right there is a different topic. Which we will get in trouble for....

To, once again, stay on topic... My point is...

-Womens basketball has a lower skill level.
-There are not many quality teams
-Chic College basketball is made up of a handful of good teams, then a bunch of bottom feeders.
-No one cares.

That is how this little lady has bagged most of her wins. The male counterparts deal with something totally different these days... ie many good teams, many good coaches. Makes the two quite uncomparable. I refuse to give her a ton of credit.

During basketball season, if she gets so busy with the coaching, how does the house get cleaned? The dishes get done? and the food put on the table?

These questions are a bit more important to me.

PhillyFan? Who does that at your house? Your mom?

Exactly my point, she should NOT be ranked with the real coaches. Give them their own category.

Here is a good list:

Best real basketball coaches of all time:

1. Wooden
2. Coach K
etc etc etc

Best minimal coaches with alot of wins vs bottom feeders.
1. Little lady from Tenn
2. That dude from Uconn
3. Rich Kotite (something he might be good at)

[ March 08, 2005, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

Well, it's obvious you are an assh*ole and your mentality is no better than those that think women can't hold high business positions and still run a household, or think that gay people aren't manly enough to play competitive sports..and that mentality is called IGNORANCE.

Dear Lady Di

Welcome to Outsports, maybe the initiation is over.

Love,

PF

PS I already have a GF, so please dont be hittin on me.

Actually Mr. PFrofessorFan, the women have to have a higher skill level as they have to play beneath the rim and men are naturally more ATHLETIC and therefore need less skills. Women are better passers, free throw shooters, 3-point shooters and running an offense in general.

I love WCBB and have made many a road trip between Dallas and Austin just to see the Women play.

Couldn't have said it better! When you think about it, how much talent does it take to push your body around, shove the ball inside and dunk it That's physical prowness, not athletic ability!!

NOW you folks are getting a bit crazy.

I almost missed this one! Don't worry PF, your GF has nothing to worry about wink

Well thats very good lady di, i wont have to worry about that while you are gettin me my dinner and running the vacuum.

This is why i love chics. Big hooters dont hurt either.

PF, you know they aren't Hooters, they are bOObies

I thought they were Mommy-bags.

Who cares what you call them, as long as dinner is ready and the house is clean..

only one person around here gets um called the B word! eek!