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What Matthew Mitcham did was fantastic, but what about the out lesbian Olympians?

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The gay media are exploding with headlines about "gay hero Matthew Mitcham," who won the individual gold in men's platform diving in Beijing. And there's a bonus: Matthew is colossally cute -- sculptured and Greek-goddish. Gay men all over the world are hyperventilating about him. But with all due respect to Matthew, and his colossal achievement, I want to draw attention to several other Beijing heroes who are being forgotten by most of our media.




Let's start with the three lesbians who won gold medals -- Natasha Kai on the U.S. women's soccer team, and team captain Gro Hammerseng and her partner Katja Nyberg on the Norwegian handball team.

Oh (you say), but individual gold medals mean more. Really? The Olympics don't give smaller-size medals for team sports. In Beijing they hung the same five-ounce item around the neck of every team member, to point up that individual's supreme value. And I don't see anybody alleging that Michael Phelps' team golds are worth less than the individual golds he piled up.

Besides, being out on a team is a huge achievement. For nearly two decades, LGBT people have been coming out in individual sports like golf and tennis and track. And yes, it's tough to come out in those sports. But coming out in team sports is even tougher. It's the last frontier for us. Teams are where we face the sharpest, most daunting homophobia from all sides -- from teammates, coaches, owners, managers, sponsors, fans, and parents of other students if it’s a school team. The homophobia that lesbian and bi team players face is just as fierce as that faced by our men. The fact that our women are playing openly on world-class teams sends a message that doesn't get sent any other way.

So we should put enormous value on the team golds in Beijing. These three women deserve to be called heroes as much as Mitcham does.

And right alongside them, three more female heroes deserve to stand. Namely, the two U.S. softball players, second basewoman Vicki Galindo (bi) and catcher Lauren Lappin (lesbian), who won silver medals. And midfielder Linda Bresonik, who won a bronze with the German soccer team.

Well, (you might say), silver and bronze medals are worth less. Oh yeah? Try telling that to anybody who has won one -- especially if they did it the hard way, hanging on to win by a fingernail, with the last gasp of breath.

I first saw this weird attitude about LGBT medals at the 2004 Summer Games, when I was helping Outsports.com cover the Games on their Olympic blog. This was the first Olympics where our media actually put together a pre-Games "list of out athletes" who had made themselves publicly visible. In Athens we had 11 -- count 'em. By the end of the Games, our heroes had raked together six medals in both individual and team sports. German fencer Imke Duplitzer won a team silver in épée. Spanish tennis player Conchita Martinez took a silver in women's doubles. German cyclist Judith Arndt won silver in the women's road race. Dutch swimmer Johan Kenkhuis got silver in the men's 4x100 freestyle relay swim. Last but not least, U.S. equestrians Robert Dover and Guenther Siedel won team bronzes in dressage.

After Athens, was there an outburst of headlines about "gay or lesbian heroes?" Of course not. Why? Nobody had won a gold medal. The message sent by the gay media was a dismal one – gold individual medals are good, but silver and bronze team medals are not worth mentioning. I can't think of a better way to break an LGBT athlete's heart.

With the Beijing Games, I'm seeing an eerie repeat of the same attitude. Once again, there was a list of 11 LGB athletes (no T's that I know of). Things got off to a good start when the list of 11 was widely posted through the media. But after that, only a tiny handful of publications, notably Outsports.com, Southern Voice and a few others, tracked the ongoing efforts of the 10 women as well as the one guy. When it was all over, I did my own Google survey and found lots of "gay diving hero" stories that didn't even bother to mention the 10 women.

A story or two even suggested that Matthew was the first out gay man to win Olympic gold. Not so. That honor probably belongs to British figure skater John Curry, who revealed his orientation to the press before the 1976 Winter Olympics, where he won the men’s individual gold. More recently, there was New Zealand rider Blyth Tait, who has been out forever in his home country, and took the individual gold in eventing -- a dangerous breakneck horse sport -- at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics.

One more question: let's say that it was a gay guy who won the Beijing men's marathon the other day. Let's say that he was your typical marathoner -- little and skinny, with a light frame, so his heart could keep the muscles fed for 26.2 miles. In other words, not very sculptural or Greek-god-like. On top of it, our victor was homely as hell, with a big nose and funny hair. The only thing "hung" about him was that gold medal around his neck, and the fact that he knocked three minutes off the Olympic record on a hot humid day. How many "hero" headlines would the gay media cough up for this homely little guy?

So what is it with us? Is the post-Beijing frenzy about Matthew Mitcham not really about his sports achievement? Is it only about how cute he is? If so, that would surely break his heart, considering the effort he made to re-start his diving career after the breakdown he talks about.

Many people in the LGBT community are adamant that closeted athletes should come out. Almost as adamant as they are about closeted politicians. They launch into self-righteous tirades about how important it is for sports figures to be honest about who they are and serve as role models for young people. What kind of message do we send to our young people if only the cute ones get to be heroes? How honest is it to tell them that silver and bronze aren't good enough?

If we want Olympic athletes to risk their careers, maybe their lives, to come out, then more people in our "community" -- especially in our media -- need to grow up where sports are concerned. What cuts it at the circuit party or on the red carpet is not what cuts it on the diving platform, or the track, or the boxing ring, or the basketball court. It's time for our media to start rewarding our out athletes with the level of educated, sensitive and responsible recognition that all of them really deserve.

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Tyler St. Mark - writer/publisher/producer     | 69.234.142.xxx | 2008-08-26 16:58:31
I am always pleased when Patricia Nell Warren writes a thought-provoking piece that points out both the achievements and the short-comings of our community. (she has been doing this since 1974 when she wrote a remarkable and landmark novel about an Olympic athlete who was gay)

This piece is particularly inspiring and mindful; a wakeup call to recognize and celebrate the accomplishments of all of our GLBT athletes, particularly those who compete on teams, who have honored our community by their courage and tenacity.

Good going, PNW!
tracerb - wrong, really   | 66.199.196.xxx | 2008-08-26 17:00:51
While I certainly agree that the gay culture over-emphasizes the perfect body and face, that is not the only reason for the excitement over Matthew's achievement. I find absolutely nothing attractive about pretty young twinks, but I was still thrilled with his performance. Why, because his incredible effort focused the attention of an entire country on a gay man who spoiled their hopes for an olympic diving sweep. Diving is one of the marquee events of the olympics, unlike the other sports mentioned. Not that their accomplishments weren't as impressive in their sports, but they just don't receive the attion that diving or swiming or gymnastics garners.
Mark - overreaching   | 74.75.74.xxx | 2008-08-26 17:15:55
I think there are a few reasons why Mitcham received much more attention than the lesbian athletes that Warren mentioned:

1.) He was the only out male, while there were nine out females. If there had been nine out males and one out female, I suspect the out female would have received disproportionate attention.
2.) Diving (whether the diver is straight or gay) is a much higher-profile sport, at least in U.S. coverage, than softball (which won't even be in the Olympics next time) or women's handball (or, looking at out gays in past Olympics, equestrian events).
3.) Athletes (gay or straight) who win individual golds always get more attention--except for men's basketball. Warren notes, "I don't see anybody alleging that Michael Phelps' team golds are worth less than the individual golds he piled up." The better comparison would be to the profile of someone like Brendan Hansen--who won a gold medal for the relay but didn't win anything for the individual. He had a much lower profile than swimmers who won individual gold medals.

As to Warren's counterfactual about what would have happened had the only out gay male been the gold medalist in the marathon and not the gold medalist in one of two male individual diving events--I suspect that regardless of his looks, his profile would have been much, much higher than Mitcham's, because the marathon is an event of such prestige in the Olympics.
Jeanne   | 137.226.30.xxx | 2008-08-26 17:17:03
Thanks for that article.

I was thinking about John Curry all the time when reading that Mitcham was "the first out gay guy to ever win Gold", but I am not sure that Curry ever really talked about his sexuality before he won the Gold - I think he was outed by some newspaper and at some point confirmed that - so that's maybe the reason why people forget Curry.

Didn't know about the eventing-guy though - eventing is a kick-ass sport (not that diving or figure skating isn't) - I totally love it.
Patricia Nell Warren - more about Curry     | 69.231.215.xxx | 2008-08-26 17:56:30
I wrote more fully about John Curry's coming out in my Outsports piece about figure skating several years ago. His orientation was rumored about for some time prior to that. But he did address the subject at a press conference in London before the Winter Olympics. This was 1976, so the media managed not to pay much attention to his statement, especially here in the U.S., where it was virtually ignored...especially since David Kopay had just come out in pro football and everybody was talking about that.
John R. Selig (activist, write - Sorry, Patricia Is Right's -     | 64.81.114.xxx | 2008-08-26 19:04:05
I see some rationalization going on in the comments so far. The fact of the matter is that young cute gay men capture more attention from the gay male community. If I am wrong then tell me why Matthew Shepherd's murder captured huge headlines when hundreds if not thousands of other horrible gay bashings/murders go unreported or under reported.

There was only 1 out gay male athletes and more out lesbians. This website is about gay people interested in sports. Everyone of the out athletes should be proudly displayed and every one of the medal winners should be lionized for the true heroes they are. First because they won a medal and secondly because they did so being out and proud.

As to one sport being more prestigious than the other or individual sports being a bigger deal. Let's pose a hypothetical question just for the sake of competition. It's the winter Olympics and a lesbian wins the Women's Figure Skating Gold Medal and a gay an wins the Men's Figure Skating Medal, would they both receive the same amount of coverage by the LGBT media and the same amount of interest by our community? Be honest!
canmark - Agreed   | 99.237.135.xxx | 2008-08-26 19:46:09
I definitely agree with the premise of this article.

(I was going to say more, but think it's been said. However, I am glad that Outsports does try to promote the achievements of all LGBT people in sports--be they athletes, coaches, male, female, etc. It's important that we hear all these stories, and that they're not just flashes of attention, but that we're continually reminded of the ongoing struggles and acomplishments of LGBT people.)
Cyd     | 66.108.7.xxx | 2008-08-26 21:19:11
I have said many of the things Patricia is saying now - and I said them before the Olympics. Mitcham was on the cover of The Advocate because he is generally attractive, has a good body, and his sport features him with virtually no clothes on.

I can tell you that the coverage of this on Outsports had NOTHING to do with his looks. I couldn't care less how attractive or unattractive he is. In this case, what I think is driving most of the interest from gay people aren't his looks but the UNBELIEVABLE way in which he won. It was unbelievable. Also, while some pooh-pooh it, the fact that his is an individual sport DOES matter. It's why NBC does a lot more profiles of swimmers, gymnasts and runners than softball players or basketball players.

So I think everyone here has good points, and I really thank Patricia for writing the column!!
JB - not quite right   | 12.205.82.xxx | 2008-08-26 21:37:47
Some of the points raised by PNW are valid but there is a bigger picture that seems to be overlooked. Diving is huge in China. The Chinese were expecting to win all of the gold medals in diving. Their mantra for diving in this olympics was 8 in 8-08, much like American hopes for phelps getting 8. This was incredibly important to them. More than that, they were expected to win all of them.

Now, add in the fact that China isn't exactly a bastion of acceptance in regards to gay society. In fact, they closed down a gay bar in the olympic village just before the event began.

The fact that a gay man ruined the chinese domination in this beloved event(for them) is a huge Karmic bite in the ass that definitely should get the most attention. It certainly got the attention of that country.

What is more interesting to me is that the media has dismissed this funny turn of events with a cursory "oh yeah, and this guy won the gold in diving."

Shouldn't gay media be playing this up to the hilt? Was there something as culturally significant and socially relative in the medals won by the other gay competitors?
Beng   | 58.104.125.xxx | 2008-08-28 01:35:38
Totally agree with your remarks, I am sure there are many deserving GLBT sportspeople out there but I think matt's achievement was different- not only because he was gay but because of the Chinese domination, last dive, almost perfect score. His dive is listed on several (non-gay) sites on their top 10 for the games- so it does have a different significance. But congrats to all the athletes for their achievements!
bryan     | 98.210.189.xxx | 2008-08-26 23:35:32
Often outsports and other gay sites tend to focus more on abs and glutes than anything else...they also spend too much time 'accusing' athletes of being gay for unfounded reasons and speculating about someone's sexuality again often based on little to nothing...It's great that Matthew won the gold, especially stopping the mechanical, somewhat heartless Chinese diving monopoly, and it's fitting to showcase that he's gay and that his partner was there to support him, but I agree fully with Patricia - he's certainly cute, but he ain't the only medal winner who's gay and out...
Patricia Nell Warren - to those who are missing my po     | 69.231.215.xxx | 2008-08-26 23:41:08
You can rationalize all you want about marquee events, the "athletic specialness" of what Mitcham did, etc. etc. You can even rationalize that, in many people's minds, individual wins do have an edge over team wins.

But even after you factor in those circumstances, there is no way to justify the LGBT media who didn't mention our other medalists at all.

NBC has taken heat from us for not mentioning Mitcham's sexual orientation on the air. But what do we say about some of our own media when they elect not to mention some of our own winners?

Especially when the unmentioned medalists are women?
Mark   | 87.113.8.xxx | 2008-08-27 04:53:49
Let's cut to the cr*p here.

The reason that the one man gets all the attention is that lesbians aren't generally the object of gay mens masturbation fantasies .. and, much as it saddens me to say this, if you want clear evidence that gay men have a great deal of trouble looking at gay athletes (any athlete come to think of it) as anything other than potential sexual objects, then you don't have to look any further than Outsports and the deluge of ejaculate that results from Thomas Finchum's trunks slipping enough to reveal a hint of crack.

Given that, who can blame any sports person for wanting to stay firmly in the closet .. or any heterosexual for thinking twice about sharing a locker room with a gay man.

All that this ridiculous sexualisation achieves is to make it all the more difficult for gay sportsmen to come out of the closet.

The bonus for the lesbian sportswomen is that that pressure is removed. If I was a lesbian, I would be celebrating that; because it just emphasises the fact that they are decades ahead of us and are appreciated for their athletic achievements, not the Neanderthal f*ckability factor.
Mark   | 87.113.8.xxx | 2008-08-27 05:11:17
As regards John Curry, he was never in the closet to start with (just as Matthew Mitcham never really was) so arguing about when he came out really is quite futile.

The issue in both of those cases is about when other people chose to make a media issue of the facts that neither of them had ever tried to hide.

As is witnessed by Matthew Mitcham's surprise at all the fuss generated, about his sexual orientation, because he casually mentions his boyfriend: If you have never made any effort to hide your sexuality, the tendency is there to assume that everyone already knows about and that you don't need to make a big public deal of joining the Friends of Dorothy.
Anonymous   | 66.199.196.xxx | 2008-08-27 11:28:23
Especially when the unmentioned medalists are women?

See, this is my problem with the underlying message of your article. You seem to be trying to make this a gender equality/attractiveness issue when that is not necessarily the case. There are other explanations that have been pointed out.

Individual medal winners typically get the spotlight more than teams. That is just the way it is.

Diving is a far more popular sport than the other sports where gay people won medals. That is just the way it is. (especially with the gay male community because of Greg L.)

Gold medals are valued more by the general public than silver and bronze and that is just the way it is.

While these things are not right or fair, they are still realities - not rationalizations. Should the gay media work to change them? Definitely. But to suggest that these female gay heroes aren't getting attention solely because they are females isn
David   | 71.249.19.xxx | 2008-08-27 11:33:37
Patricia, thank you for exploring this issue in the thoughtful manner you are known for. However, I think one element missing from this discussion is the historic stereotypes surronding gays and lesbians in sports.

We have all grown up with the image of gay men being weak, queeny and not the least bit athletic or tough. Lesbians, on the other hand, have typically seen as butch, tough and athletic. These stereotypes are changing thanks to the visibility of men like Esera Tuaolo and John Ameche and the women of the L Word.

Like many gay men, I remember the humiliation of picking teams in high school gym class; the butch gals were always picked before the queeny guys like me.

I think much of the fuss surrounding a gay man winning gold is because he is smashing the sterotype, while a gold medal for a lesbian is reinforcing the stereotype. On top of that, Matthew Mitcham's gold medal is a big Fuck You to all those jocks who humiliated us queens in high school gym class. BTW, for you young guys, at your 20th high school reunion, those jocks will be bald, fat, and dumpy; and the gay guys will be buff, handsome and fabulous.
Robert - Disagree   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-27 13:55:47
I don't really appreciate being called shallow because I cared deeply about the Matt Mitcham story. I think that is what is hinted at in the opening paragraph of this story.

Nor did I follow the Matt Mitcham story more closely than the story of the lesbian athletes because he was in an individual sport and they were in a team sport.


The fact is out lesbians in women sports is nothing new. There's nothing monumental about that. That is, after all, a stereotype about lesbians (fairly or unfairly).

But gay men in athletics is much rarer. The stereotype of the gay male is not that of the athlete. We are not supposed to be athletic. We aren't supposed to be tough enough. We are stereotyped as the kids at PE who stood out on right field praying the softball wouldn't be hit to us because we were too silly and gay to catch a ball. I even recently read a right wing website that played on this stereotype to assert that our perceived athletic failings is why we "chose" to be gay.

Matthew's achievement is singular because it does defy that stereotype. That is why I followed the Matthew Mitcham story so closely, not because he was cute, not because he was good looking. I followed it because of the stereotype defying feat that it was. Congrats to Matt!

If the stereotype was that lesbians weren't athletic, and then we had the story of ten lesbian athletes at the games, that would, in fact, be monumental, and would've grabbed the headlines.
Robert - Wrong again   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-27 15:45:44
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One more question: let's say that it was a gay guy who won the Beijing men's marathon the other day. Let's say that he was your typical marathoner -- little and skinny, with a light frame, so his heart could keep the muscles fed for 26.2 miles. In other words, not very sculptural or Greek-god-like. On top of it, our victor was homely as hell, with a big nose and funny hair. The only thing "hung" about him was that gold medal around his neck, and the fact that he knocked three minutes off the Olympic record on a hot humid day. How many "hero" headlines would the gay media cough up for this homely little guy?


I think you are entirely wrong. The marathon is the crowning race of the Olympics. The marathon is the toughest event at the Olympics. To win the marathon takes all of the factors that people think gay men aren't: mental and physical toughness, perseverance, and relentlessness.

Such an accomplishment by a gay male athlete would be bigger than Mitcham's achievement. After all, many people think of subjective sports like diving as not "real sports." The mainstream media, never mind the gay media, would be all over such an accomplishment.

Instead, of realizing that gay people are enthralled by Mitcham because he defied stereotypes, Ms. Warren decided to play on stereotypes of gay men as shallow and vain and overly sexualized.

Further, as someone who has run a few marathons in my life, I'd like to add that marathon runners aren't homely. And they aren't truly skinny. Skinny people are nothing but skin and bones, they are weak and could never run a marathon. A marathon runner is thin, but incredibly fit, and usually well-sculpted, having developed very fine slow twitch muscle fiber.

Here is couple of images of legendary marathoner Paul Tergat. He's thin indeed, but look at how well sculpted his muscles are:

Note the legs here:

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Note the arms here:

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Robert - re: Wrong again   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-27 15:50:46
And further, gold does matter more than silver or bronze. After the Super Bowl no one was celebrating the Patriots, they were celebrating the Giants. In sport, winning matters. That may not be a nice thing to say. It may hurt some people's feelings. But that's what fan's of sport care about. After all, athletics is a pursuit of human physical greatness. Greatness is in the winners.

That's unfair maybe. I don't know. But no one ever said: don't you just think Chad Pennington deserves as much hype as Peyton Manning. No one ever cries for poor Chad Pennington who isn't getting as much attention as Peyton Manning. Poor guy doesn't have a single endorsement deal.

Now, let's talk about Natasha Kai. Kai is fine athlete, and I think she's only going to get better, but she's not even a starter on the US national team.
Cyd     | 66.108.7.xxx | 2008-08-27 16:18:08
We can all guess as to why it is Mitcham got much more press than any of the lesbians. The fact of the matter is, he DID get more coverage, and virtually nowhere but here were the others mentioned. And that's sad.
Mark - re: sad   | 74.75.74.xxx | 2008-08-27 16:50:57
I agree it's sad--but I'm not sure it's unexpected or inappropriate.

If Outsports--a site devoted to gays and lesbians in sports--had never mentioned the fact that the gold-medal winning women's soccer team had a backup player who was a lesbian, that would have been troublesome. But--as the link in Warren's article suggests--Outsports did mention this. But I'm not sure why non-sports GLBT sites would feel compelled to highlight a backup player on a team sport, or lesbian gold medalists in a very low-profile team sport like handball. And I doubt that many non-sports GLBT sites would have mentioned Mitcham if he had received a bronze, and not a gold, medal.

Much of the coverage in the GLBT media of Mitcham, moreover, has focused less on Mitcham as "gay hero" than on NBC's non-mentioning of his partner or his sexuality. Since NBC didn't broadcast any women's handball games, the question of the network's treatment of their sexual orientation really wasn't an issue in the coverage of the Norwegians.
Chad - Human worth   | 69.154.212.xxx | 2008-08-27 17:03:19
David: Your comment was ruined for me when you mentioned "bald." People, gay or straight, male or female, don't choose to lose their hair.

PNW: Worthy column and provocation. While I think it's clear that the issues and factors here are multiple, and not cut and dry.

However, the gay male community (of which I am a part) -- and Outsports -- can use plenty more reminders of the evils of looksism. Do gay guys really want to objectify men the way straight guys tend to objectify women? Obviously, we like to look at what we like to look at (this seems to be built into male biology), but we shouldn't be confusing looks with human worth.
Robert - No need to guess   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-27 17:44:04
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We can all guess as to why it is Mitcham got much more press than any of the lesbians.


No need to guess. Outsports' own article on Matt:

http://outsports.com/olympics2008/2008/08/25/what-mitchams-win-means-to-gays-everywhere/

This is why it's so historic. We've had Billy jean King and Martina Navratilova. The stereotype IS that lesbians are butch enough to be athletes. The only surprising thing about lesbians in sport is that not more of them are out. The story there is that society is still so homophobic that even in field where gays and lesbians dominate gays and lesbians must be closeted (gay men in Hollywood, lesbians in sport).

But Matt's story is compelling because of all the reasons mentioned in the above article. Natashia Kai did not break new ground. Matt did, the figure skater mentioned in Ms. Warren's article notwithstanding.
Robert   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-27 17:47:48
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However, the gay male community (of which I am a part) -- and Outsports -- can use plenty more reminders of the evils of looksism.


What the hell is looksism? And why does the gay community need to be reminded of its evil? Why doesn't the straight community need to be reminded of its evil?
Pat;ricia Nell Warren - back to the basic issues     | 69.231.215.xxx | 2008-08-27 18:40:23
I welcome this fierce discussion and am happy to take on all comers. But some of the arguments and point-makings here are straying away from my key issue -- which was non-coverage of other medalists by some of the LGBT media.

I have no problem with an extra emphasis being put on Mitcham's achievement. NBC themselves put extra emphasis on certain popular sports...like women's gymnastics. However, NBC did fill the bill on good reporting, which meant that somewhere in their Beijing system, every last winner and every last event, right down to sailing and archery, got broadcast and reported on, whether it was on TV or simply on the website. Anyone who wanted to watch the least popular Olympic sport could go to its live and rewind coverage on www.nbcolympics.com and see the whole thing.

Is it too much to expect good reporting from our own media about our own athletes? Is it too much to expect that, somewhere in a magazine issue or website, they could have found some room -- in a sidebar, for example -- to report on the doings of our other athletes at Beijing?

My issue is not limited to female athletes being ignored. Because, as I pointed out in my piece, even the MALE medal wins at Athens were ignored by almost all the gay media. Why? Because none of those male wins were gold medals. They were silver or bronze.

To put it another way -- if Mitcham had won a silver at Athens 2004, he probably would have been ignored by most of the gay media, no matter how cute he was.

If we want to build respect for our Olympic athletes in the mainstream world, then we should have enough respect for ALL of them, no matter what sport they're in, to do at least some minimal reporting on what they achieve.
Anonymous   | 12.205.82.xxx | 2008-08-27 19:18:03
"My issue is not limited to female athletes being ignored."

except that you did allude to this in an earlier post with this: "especially when the unmentioned medalists are women".

your article started out sounding a little condescending regarding the reasons for the media highlighting MM.

MM is something different - a male athlete coming out before retiring from his sport or even before proving himself in his sport. In tennis alone, we have had almost 20 years of out women players still competing (mauresmo, navratilova) at the highest professional level. They've received plenty of attention so why is it so wrong when it is given to a man? When Martina was getting all the press for her return to Wimbledon doubles a couple years ago, were you complaining about all the other lesser players who weren't getting as much attention?
Patricia Nell Warren - read carefully     | 69.231.215.xxx | 2008-08-27 20:28:34
In my original commentary, I made it clear that I have an issue with a trend of several years' standing, in which BOTH male and female silver and bronze Olympic medalists were being ignored. One of the problems here is that "silver and bronze aren't good enough to merit a mention."

As to your point about Martina -- well, there were no out gay male tennis players at Wimbledon for Martina to overshadow. If there had been, the gay media would have been all over them.
jack   | 99.206.116.xxx | 2008-08-28 07:32:33
this may be late in the discussion, but i see something that may be being overlooked... at least it occurred to me as having bearing on the enjoyment of this victory of mitcham's.

matt, as endearing as he is, and anyone who got to see the far more complete coverage of the medal ceremony on line now knows HOW adorable he is, is a bit of a contradiction in terms. fit elite athlete he may be, be he isn't just GAY, he is a a good bit of a flamer.

the dissonance between his dives and athleticism and his human persona is giggle inducing. i thought of nothing so much as a new puppy let loose in the living room. it seemed obvious on deck that his fellow athletes and coaches didn't just admire him, but loved him to bits.

to me, therein lies the story.

now, will someone PLEASE get him a stylist

jack
Jonathan   | 86.134.114.xxx | 2008-08-28 12:25:34
Absolutely agree! Our young Ben Swain was jumping with joy as he hugged Matt tight. Alex Despatie was there too, patting him on the back. And Leon Taylor, who invented that final dive, was going crazy about the achievement on the BBC commentary. He went as far as to say it is the best it has ever been performed!
Mark - re: Leon Taylor   | 87.113.8.xxx | 2008-08-29 04:10:44
Jonathan wrote:
Leon
Taylor, who invented that final dive, was going crazy about the achievement on the BBC commentary. He went as far as to say it is the best it has ever been performed!


Gay Olympian in openly praising fellow gay Olympian shocker
Robert - If that's all you said...   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-28 12:44:36
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In my original commentary, I made it clear that I have an issue with a trend of several years' standing, in which BOTH male and female silver and bronze Olympic medalists were being ignored. One of the problems here is that "silver and bronze aren't good enough to merit a mention."


If that's all you were saying then I'd have less of a problem with it. Instead you slammed gay men and stereotyped us as shallow overly sexualized for focusing on Mitcham's accomplishments.


Look at your own comments in your article:

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One more question: let's say that it was a gay guy who won the Beijing men's marathon the other day. Let's say that he was your typical marathoner -- little and skinny, with a light frame, so his heart could keep the muscles fed for 26.2 miles. In other words, not very sculptural or Greek-god-like. On top of it, our victor was homely as hell, with a big nose and funny hair. The only thing "hung" about him was that gold medal around his neck, and the fact that he knocked three minutes off the Olympic record on a hot humid day. How many "hero" headlines would the gay media cough up for this homely little guy?


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If we want Olympic athletes to risk their careers, maybe their lives, to come out, then more people in our "community" -- especially in our media -- need to grow up where sports are concerned. What cuts it at the circuit party or on the red carpet is not what cuts it on the diving platform, or the track, or the boxing ring, or the basketball court.


What else is the implications of these comments other than "gay men are shallow and only interested in those who would look good on a red carpet?" How dare you assert that gay men wouldn't be absolutely thrilled with an Olympic record breaker in the king of events at the Olympics simply because he was considered unattractive? (Oh, and they shouldn't keep Olympic records in the marathon because there is no comparing the t...
Robert - re: If that's all you said...   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-28 12:47:12
[quote=Robert] How dare you assert that gay men wouldn't be absolutely thrilled with an Olympic record breaker in the king of events at the Olympics simply because he was considered unattractive? (Oh, and they shouldn't keep Olympic records in the marathon because there is no comparing the tough hill filled course in Athens to the flat course in Beijing).

So, you weren't merely saying that silver and bronze also deserves a mention. You were saying that we are so shallow that we wouldn't be thrilled to see the Olympic Marathon won by a gay guy if that gay guy wasn't attractive.

They are young and athletic! They are going to have great bodies! People are going to find them attractive! That doesn't mean that's the reason we focus on them.
John R. Selig - Oh Robert!!!     | 64.81.114.xxx | 2008-08-28 13:42:07
Robert! Robert! Robert! You keep digging your grave deeper and deeper. At least be honest to admit it that gay men are fixated on young cute guys. I'll admit it, why can't you. That doesn't mean I want to marry them. My husband is cute, bright, fantastic, loving and the best thing that every happened to me. But a cute young guy is good to look at.

How many overweight, balding middle age gay men do you see in ads in gay magazine ads? How many articles are written about them? Now, of course, the problem goes well beyond the gay community. You don't see many middle aged, unattractive women models in ads, on TV or as stars in movies. But let's face it there is even more of a fixation in the gay community.

How many middle aged men only want to date chicken and remain single because they are unwilling to date a great guy near there age that doesn't look like a cover model of "Freshman Magazine?" Go send some time in gay bars and coffee shops and count how many middle aged gay men are there drooling over chicken. Unfortunately far too many younger gay men have little mentorship for older gay men and all they feel from many in the older generation is lust.

Mind you, we are not all that way. But cute and young sells.

Patricia is right on the mark. There were many thousands of competitors at the Olympics. 11 of them were out. The gay media should have championed all of them. When any of them won medals they should have received even more accolades. Sure a gold medal winner receives more attention than a silver or bronze medal winner. There is nothing wrong with that and Patricia didn't fault Matthew Mittcham's coverage. She called the LGBT media to task for not covering all the LGBT medal winners as they all deserved coverage. And she rightly pointed out that Mittcham received extra coverage because he was cute.

Sorry, Robert but the old adage applies, "If the Foo Shits, Wear It! " I love our community. I am an out and proud activist, photographer, write...
Patricia Nell Warren - one more time     | 69.231.215.xxx | 2008-08-28 14:56:37
As I said a couple of times before, my basic issue is with the INADEQUATE GAY MEDIA COVERAGE. The statement that gay men were & #34;hyperventilating
" over Mitcham was not a statement that all gay men are shallow. Believe me, if I had intended to say that, I would have used the word "shallow."

Everybody on this board who is arguing for the status quo might want to put themselves in the shoes of an LGBT athlete at Beijing. You've knocked yourself out for four years to qualify for the Olympic team in your sport, and possibly even spent your own money to get to Beijing. You're out and representing not just the USA but the LGBT community, which you have assumed is supporting you wholeheartedly in that global arena. And the best you can do is a silver or bronze medal...which means that you're 2nd or 3rd in the whole world in your sport (not a small thing).

But then you get home, and notice that most major media in your very own community have not bothered to report your achievement or to even notice your existence. They're giving all their attention to one person who won a gold medal.

How would you feel about being omitted? Wouldn't you feel a little shocked and disillusioned?

I'm hoping that airing this issue publicly will prompt an examination of conscience by some of our media people, and an improvement of their professional media performance when it comes to sports. I'm praying that we don't have to have this discussion again after London in 2012.
Ric   | 71.98.120.xxx | 2008-08-28 17:01:24
I've been following this article and I don't really know what side to defend. I guess the only thing I can't help thinking "is the entire (or majority) of the LGBT media male?" The article is calling out the LGBT media for not representing these women who competed in Beijing and won medals because Mitcham is "attractive/cute."

I'm not saying that the women did not deserve to receive as much media attention as the men (man), but not that the gay men journalists shouldn't have covered these women's stories, but shouldn't also they female lgbt media members have focused on them, even more so than the men? I just feel like the maybe some gay journalists focus on Mitcham, perhaps because he is good looking. How do the lesbian journalists feel about the "out" women at the games and their stories?

And ASIDE from the LGBT media, out of curiosity, did the general media cover any stories on these women? Because we all know that NBC did cover a story on Mitcham and overlooked his sexuality, but still covered a story.

I hate to have this be a gay vs. lesbian issue because I believe it's not. I just, however, get this feeling that the LGBT media didn't mention enough about the lesbians at the Olympics and did more about a gay diver, and now everyone has their panties in a twist over the injustice. In the end more should have been written about the women, but we all must be clear that the articles written about Mitcham were not because he is "cute/attractive" but because what he did was brilliant. Breaking the Chinese sweep of all diving events on their own court? His story is amazing, and the fact that NBC didn't mention he was gay also has generated a ton of news buzz. So, let's say if NBC did mention he was gay or something about his partner that a quarter of the articles about Mitcham would not have been covered. At least from my point of view
Anonymous   | 66.199.196.xxx | 2008-08-28 17:20:54
I don't believe it should be a gay v. lesbian issue either, but there was a definite slant towards just that in the article. It was also reinforced in a later post by the author.

As to your point about Martina -- well, there were no out gay male tennis players at Wimbledon for Martina to overshadow. If there had been, the gay media would have been all over them.

There wasn't another man, but there was another lesbian tennis player(mauresmo) who didn't receive as much attention. Where was your outrage at this? For that matter, where is the outrage that we aren't focusing on Mauresmo every time she is in a grand slam?

What I wonder is this: If the situation was reversed and there had been one woman getting all the attention over ten men, would this commentary have been written?
Fernando   | 84.78.164.xxx | 2008-08-28 18:07:15
There is mistake in the article because Spanish tennis player Conchita Martinez is not out of the closet.
Robert - re: Oh Robert!!!   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-28 19:33:31
John R. Selig wrote:
Robert! Robert! Robert! You keep digging your grave deeper and deeper. At least be honest to admit it that gay men are fixated on young cute guys. I'll admit it, why can't you. That doesn't mean I want to marry them. My husband is cute, bright, fantastic, loving and the best thing that every happened to me. But a cute young guy is good to look at.

How many overweight, balding middle age gay men do you see in ads in gay magazine ads?


How many overweight balding middle aged straight men do you see in ads in magazines aimed at heterosexuals? That must mean that sports heroes that heterosexuals hype up is only because those athletes are attractive. Attractive people, male, female, gay, straight, always get more time modeling in magazines ads than unatractive people. In fact, Nivea has a body wash product they are aiming at a mainstream audience where they make fun of unattractive guys. Of course, the good looking guy uses Nivea. This isn't a gay specific thing. But I don't care about Matt Mitcham's looks, no more than, as a soccer fan do I care that Ronaldinho is ugly as shit. I have never cared much for the looks of athletes. I am a sports fan. I care about athletes.


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But let's face it there is even more of a fixation in the gay community.


I don't agree that it's any more pervasive among gays than straights. I think only ugly gay men really think it is.
Robert - re: one more time   | 74.195.14.xxx | 2008-08-28 20:07:24
Patricia Nell Warren wrote:
As I said a couple of times before, my basic issue is with the INADEQUATE GAY MEDIA COVERAGE. The statement that gay men were & #34;hyperventilating
" over Mitcham was not a statement that all gay men are shallow. Believe me, if I had intended to say that, I would have used the word "shallow."
Well, then Ms. Warren, tell me what you meant when you said that a gay man who would win the Olympic marathon wouldn't be completely honored by the gay community if he happened to be unattractive? I most certainly would believe the gay community to be shallow if they weren't anxious to honor such an athlete if he were unattractive?

I'm not saying that gay bars aren't filled with shallow people, but most straight singles bars are exactly the same way. But I find it unfathomable to believe that gays wouldn't be ecstatic about such an occurrence.

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Everybody on this board who is arguing for the status quo might want to put themselves in the shoes of an LGBT athlete at Beijing. You've knocked yourself out for four years to qualify for the Olympic team in your sport, and possibly even spent your own money to get to Beijing. You're out and representing not just the USA but the LGBT community, which you have assumed is supporting you wholeheartedly in that global arena. And the best you can do is a silver or bronze medal...which means that you're 2nd or 3rd in the whole world in your sport (not a small thing).

But then you get home, and notice that most major media in your very own community have not bothered to report your achievement or to even notice your existence. They're giving all their attention to one person who won a gold medal.

How would you feel about being omitted? Wouldn't you feel a little shocked and disillusioned?

Hey. If you had said that without all the "well if a great gay athlete were ugly nobody would care" nonsense, then I'd agree completely with that sentimen