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He grew up Mormon, so going to BYU was a natural choice for an athlete who knew he was gay. He tells why he abided by the honor code and the freedom he felt upon leaving the school.

Editor's note: Michael is the pseudonym for a BYU athlete who attended the school from 2001-2003. Outsports has verified his identity and he freely shared details of his story. He has chosen to remain anonymous because he will soon be getting into private medical practice and does not this story to be the first thing prospective patients see if they do an Internet search.)

By Jim Buzinski

"Mississippi" and "liberal" are not two words normally found in the same sentence. But for Michael, a 23-year-old virgin who was raised a Mormon and spent three years at BYU, Mississippi was Baghdad by the Bayou compared to Provo, Utah.

Michael, briefly on BYU's football team and a star on its track team, graduated from the school in Provo in 2003 and headed to Mississippi State to pursue his masters. He quickly lost his celibacy and had his first drink, making up for years in the closet and living what he calls a very sheltered life.

"You wouldn't think that going from Provo to Mississippi would be a change as far as liberal culture goes, but it actually was for me. Mississippi was much more liberal," said Michael. He quickly met a member of the Mississippi State track team who was gay, got invited to a party and met a man whom he dated for nine months.

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"As soon as I left BYU, I decided I was finally done with the [Mormon] church, kind of done with the old way of doing things. ... It was almost surreal to be at this party where everybody or almost everybody was gay and not have to worry about the fact that somebody from the university might find out about it."

BYU has been in the news after it suspended star basketball player Brandon Davies this winter for admitting to having premarital sex with his girlfriend. That's a no-no, according to the school's strict honor code, which all students sign. It prohibits premarital sex and drinking, among other things. While saying you are gay is no longer automatic grounds for a violation (it was when Michael was a student), acting on being gay is.

Michael is an articulate and intelligent man who has thought a lot about his upbringing as a Mormon and what it meant to his sexual identity. He knew he was gay when considering BYU and knew full well what he was signing with the honor code.

"It's explained to you, you read it over, you know what you're signing and I knew what BYU would mean to me and I was aware of myself enough at that point that I knew I was not going to be an out individual at BYU," he said.

"Part of the admissions process to BYU is you have to sit down with your local bishop -- they call it an ecclesiastic endorsement -- and signing the honor code and going over it is a part of it. I think you do it once a year. It's something that is not hidden and it's reiterated every year."

Michael grew up in a small town in Central California, a region called the "Nation's Salad Bowl" for its agricultural industry. He was raised Mormon by parents who were teachers, and his dad was also the football coach at the local high school. He had his first gay memory when he was 9 or 10.

Michael said he was not tormented during adolescence by his attraction to men, since he buried that side of himself and directed his energies to sports, where he excelled at track and football and also played on the golf and basketball teams. Homosexuality was not something discussed in his conservative rural town.

Things changed when the Internet finally arrived to his town when he was a high school junior. He started connecting online with other gay people, and set up a separate email account for his communications. Still, he never met anyone in person and his sexuality was something that remained repressed.

Why go to BYU?

In explaining why he chose to go to BYU knowing he was gay, Michael reflects on the prominence the school has for anyone growing up Mormon.

"I think anybody else who's Mormon would tell you, going to BYU is kind of something you just grow up with," he said. "Everybody in everybody's family [his parents are an exception] went to BYU. You grow up rooting for the Cougars. I don't want to say it's like being a Notre Dame fan and being Catholic, but it's similar. That's where people want you to go and that's where you want to go from a very early age.

"People want to grow up going to BYU and they have this internal roadmap in their head. They go to BYU, they go on a mission, they get married, they have kids. It's like that checklist they go through. That's certainly something that's promoted through families who are Mormon and through the Mormon Church. That's the ideal and when you're 6 or 7, everybody's striving for that ideal because you don't know any better."

Until he was a senior at BYU, Michael never had an issue with the honor code. "I was willing to sacrifice other parts of my life in order to see where I could take sports," he said. Working out and practicing for up to six hours a day, along with his studies, didn't leave Michael much time for anything else. He does admit, though, to breaking the Mormon Church rule against masturbation ("you're recklessly using the powers of procreation'), even though it's not in the honor code. But he is certain that some of his roommates did not even go that far, saying, "there are some pretty pious people at BYU."

Michael excelled in field events for BYU's Top 20 track program, earning several honors and even securing an invitation to the 2004 Olympic trials. He was so focused on sports that it was easy for him to abide by the honor code. At the same time, he wasn't going to lie. He did not go on a Mormon mission because the interview process asks about homosexuality.

He has a nuanced view of the honor code and explains why he never broke it.

"I believe in keeping my word," he said. "I signed the honor code and understood what I was signing and did my best to live up to that. I always had the attitude that these guys are paying for my education because I was on a scholarship and I'm coming to their university. I had the opportunity to go to other universities but I chose to go there and it's their money, their rules."

He said he has no sympathy for people who willfully break the code, but does empathize with those who feel they just don't fit in at the school.

"I found BYU to be an incredibly lonely place," he said. "Everybody there has this internal checklist of how life is supposed to go and if you're not working off that same checklist it can be an incredibly lonely place. ... It was incredibly difficult to form friendships there if you didn't follow along in that same path as everybody else. I can see and understand how people who go to BYU and who are not following that same checklist, then reach out for whatever is there and easily fall into the situation where they break the honor code."

He also decries what he terms hypocrisy in enforcing the code and what he says is "both an explicit and implicit push to have students tattletale on one another."

By his senior year, Michael realized that he had no close friends at BYU, which he attributes to knowing he was different and not following the path chosen by most. He turned to the Internet and met his first gay person that year.

"I was a fairly naïve individual when it came to - I know it sounds clichéd - the gay world. So I was really, really lucky. The first people I ever met who were gay were an older couple who had lived in Provo for 20 years. I was really lucky in that there was nothing sexual between us, purely a friendship. They sort of introduced me to gay people."

He then began his coming out process. His dad, who meant the world to him, was ill and Michael told him he was gay before he died. He also came out to his mom and sister. He enrolled at Mississippi State so he could be himself and not have an honor code to abide by. He no longer considers himself a Mormon.

"Anybody who goes to a religious university feels this pressure to keep up with the Joneses," he said. "You see all these people who are living what at least on the surface you would consider great lives, doing all the right things, and you are always trying to live up to the expectation. It was pretty neat for the first time to not feel the burden. At 23, it was my first experience of actually doing what I wanted, to figure out what I wanted to do." Even a little choice like picking your soda is restricted at BYU, he added, since caffeinated soft drinks aren't sold on campus.

Now 30 and single, Michael is a PhD candidate in psychology at a midwestern university. He plans on specializing in pediatric neuropsychology, working with children who have seizure disorders and tic disorders. In addition to his family, he is out to his closest friends.

He still roots for BYU in sports and said that the school was "a neat place to go to in many ways." Sports, both intramural and competitive are very popular, which Michael attributes to the strict nature of the school, since sports are about the only acceptable outlet for students. He is philosophical about his time there.

"I don't have any regrets but I would never go back. I got a fantastic education there, which I am extremely grateful for. They paid for college, so I left college with no debt and the BYU track program is a top-notch track program.

"But knowing what I know now, I wouldn't want to repeat it."

Michael can be reached via email at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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sportinlife  - Politics in a human rights deficient society   |69.249.117.xxx |2011-04-04 03:22:42
"Michael" seems like a fortunate and intelligent guy: fortunate to live
in a society in which the institution which forbids him to live his life as he
wishes is optional, and intelligent to use that institution to his benefit in an
ethical way before abandoning it after fulfilling what he saw as his obligation
to it. Hopefully our larger society will continue to be that option.
Ken Tincher   |24.10.172.xxx |2011-04-04 05:30:00
Michael,
Enjoyed reading. I'm Mormon, live 20 minutes from BYU but grew up in
the Midwest, the only Mormon in my high school. I think my experience growing up
allows me to have a different perspective. Just as you felt "alone" at
BYU because of your lifestyle I, at times felt the same way growing up with
different moral standards.
I think you were incredibly fair in your assessment
of BYU.
Anonymous   |174.52.20.xxx |2011-04-04 06:38:36
Gay
danimal   |184.247.137.xxx |2011-04-16 15:25:52
And your point is?
hoyacougar   |70.17.68.xxx |2011-04-04 08:00:13
I went to byu in late early 80s. I loved my time there and did not find it to
be a lonely place at all. there were plenty of accepting people who knew that I
was gay.

While there are many students at BYU that have the checklist
mentality, to make it a blanket 'everybody' suggests to me that the author's
loneliness at BYU was self-imposed.
JB  - Correction   |162.119.238.xxx |2011-04-04 08:42:09
This is a very fair article about being gay at BYU. I'm glad that Michael is
still a fan. I do want to make one correction, however, and it wasn't in
Michael's comments, but in the text of the article... "While saying you are
gay is no longer automatic grounds for a violation (it was when Michael was a
student), acting on being gay is." It says Michael attended 2001-2003. I
attended almost 10 years before that and saying you were gay has not been an
honor code violation all the way back then, and it was not in 2001-2003.

In
fact, there are support groups for those who are gay and wanting to live by the
honor code, and were all the way back when I was there. I am not gay, but I
needed the support services for other reasons, and saw the ads for the support
group while in the waiting room.

I've always thought that being gay and Mormon
was one of the most difficult challenges, and it is always interesting to hear
their perspective.
Triplereverse  - Poignant   |174.49.130.xxx |2011-04-04 10:17:16
BYU can be a very difficult place to be if you're gay. You know where else
would be tough? How about any other place on earth that's 99.9% hetero.

I
actually loved BYU. Then again, I was a handsome, charming hetero dude who made
out with tons of girls while I was there.
Christie  - Really   |75.169.102.xxx |2011-04-08 06:06:56
Of course you loved BYU because you have the brainwashing mentality of a
ten-year-old. Calling yourself handsome and charming and claim to have
"made out" with tons of girls? College isn't grade school...Please,
grow up!
MJM   |75.39.118.xxx |2011-04-04 12:20:52
For years I held a rather unfavorable opinion of the Mormon church and of BYU,
mostly because I just didn't understand their faith or the rigid expectations of
their followers. Having known "Michael" for years has changed how I
view both the Church and the school. I am an extremely stubborn individual who
is also quite liberal, so for there to have been a shift in my thinking says a
lot.

"Michael" is one of the best men I know and I have no doubt that
his parents and his involvement in the Mormon church shaped him into the man he
is. What I've gained in knowing "Michael" is a healthy respect for the
Mormon institution overall, especially non-Morman students and athletes who
attend BYU. In a nation where sports reign supreme, there aren't enough
collegiate institutions that hold their students and student athletes to the
highest levels of expectation. Having competed at one of the biggest sports
schools in the nation, there's one thing I learned, it's that there's always an
exception to the rule. And there's very rarely anything positive that ever
comes from that mindset. It teaches young athletes that it's okay to knowingly
break the rules and to behave as if accountability will never be an
issue.

What "Michael" has taught me is that at BYU, there is never an
exception to any rule and that everyone is accountable. They have a certain
standard and if you don't like it, leave. I can't imagine the levels of success
that would be possible if every student athlete was held to those standards, and
better yet, if they willingly held themselves to those standards.

I don't
know how "Michael" did it, but I know that I wouldn't have lasted a week
at BYU. But that's why I admire him....and the rest of the BYU student
population as well.
MJM  - continued...   |75.39.118.xxx |2011-04-04 12:43:19
...the one thing I learned was that there's always an exception to the rule and
I have very rarely seen anything positive come from that mindset. It teaches
young athletes that it's okay to knowingly break rules and that accountability
really isn't that big of a deal.

What "Michael" taught me is that at
BYU, there are no exceptions and if you don't like it, leave. I can't imagine
the success we would witness out of our young athletes if more collegiate
institutions jumped on this wagon.

I now have a huge amount of respect for
the Mormon church and for all BYU students and athletes.
Anonymous  - Still a Cougar   |24.10.173.xxx |2011-04-04 13:28:37
What I admire most about the article is Michael's lack of bitterness. He think
he is, for the most part, very fair and objective.

For different reasons, I
have my differences with the LDS Church and with the BYU Administration. That
being said, I am loyal to the school, as I really enjoyed my time there. Also,
even though the religious aspects of attending BYU can be somewhat overbearing,
I feel that the quality of people who attend BYU is top-notch!

So, because
there are so many great people at BYU (many of them athletes), I still cheer for
the athletic teams in spite of my differences with much of the LDS faith.
Facey  - says:   |97.117.107.xxx |2011-04-04 14:36:09

Von Lmo   |205.188.116.xxx |2011-04-04 15:40:57
"Michael", another drone in the beehive that is Mormon society, was able
to survive BYU as he took lots of cold showers & excersised, prescriptions
offered in the hygene books in the 1930s. I was waiting for the line about white
cotton gloves being issued to the students, but i guess the "sacred
underwear" magically takes care of that. "Michael" would be placing
his education to better usage were he to specialise in gay Mormons dealing w
themselves & their bizarro religion.
stan James  - gays and mormonism.   |68.49.75.xxx |2011-04-04 20:41:21
As an outsider, even though I am str8, I find it hard to conceive of going to
BYU. People who all but deny sexuality remind me of the catholic church and
its endless molestation of the very children it was supposed to protect.

UNtil
about 1000Ad priests were married, but that ended when the church wanted to
inherit the priests property, and in the queerest marriage of them all, had the
priests marry the church. And we know where that one went.

And yes I've met in
the east a couple of gay mormons. One of whom at age 30 was still almost in
tears describing how his family threw him out for being (or maybe engaging) gay
(sex)

People are social and sexual animals. i feel sorry for so many gay
mormons who probably go to BYU and every day and in every way probably have to
hide who they are. I cant believe that they would be accepted if they wore T
shirts that said "proud but celibate gay"

And the mormon leaders who
forgot why they ended up in the middle of nowhere thanks to other christians who
hated them.

So much for religion....
Aaron Hemsley  - old blue   |70.6.171.xxx |2011-04-05 09:10:19

Michael,
In my mind you are a high character guy. Just the type of
doctor I would trust my life or the life of my children. I graduated from
the Y years ago and never had one homosexual thought, but I did have
to confront and fight other sexual rges ....everyday. I also believed
everyone else was perfect or at least further along their track than I
was on mine. You, for example may have very well captured the track
scholarship I was never able to acquire. Athletically I
was frustrated and continue to be. Academically we seen to have
followed similar paths. I will be foreever grateful for the quality of the
education I received and how it prepared me for grad schools.
Socially, I apparently had a lot more fun. I made many friends. Did not
go on a mission, because I could not afford it. If only I could have
received the track scholarship my life would have been more satisfying.

But two coaches told me I could never compete at the BYU level. I
am guessing that I would have experienced similar problems at USC.
Oregon,Kansas or even Drake...even though they all invit3ed me to
walk-on.

I am guessing, but I assume there are a lot of gay people who
make friends with people outside their community. I certainly
know many straight people who shared with me that they never dated or
made one close friend at BYU, Oxford or Penn.

Like you, I belive we are
both going to be ok and our sexual persuasion is significantly futher
down the list than where be belive it is, when we are feeling controlled
by our sexual arousals.

Best wishes, You are going to be okay and
you have the ability to be remarkable. Don't miss your opportunities
to grasp your potential.
Bogart   |108.35.37.xxx |2011-04-05 10:41:00
I think you mean Babylon by the Bayou.
Jim at Outsports   |99.22.220.xxx |2011-04-05 10:50:11
It's a play on a famous SF columnist calling the city "Baghdad by the
Bay."

From Wikipedia. Herb Caen: He often referred to San Francisco as
Baghdad by the Bay, a term he coined to reflect the city's exotic
multiculturalism. A collection of his essays, Baghdad-by-the-Bay, was published
in 1949 and in 1953 he published the book Don't Call It Frisco after a 1918
Examiner news item of the same name.
HoopdeHoop   |68.20.4.xxx |2011-04-05 12:27:52
I see MJM has added the obligatory LDS exceptionalism reinforcement. The Mormons
do not pay their hierarchy, with the result that study and theology will not
advance officials in the church. Only money or influence to help your superior
counts in the Mormon hierarchy and so it has become as corrupt as a street gang.
I doubt most officials are even familiar with LDS' peculiar theology. What
they value is the group, and this mentality can lead to altruistic behavior, but
it can also lead to a high rate of frauds and charlatans, as well the
exploitation of the members by the rich and well-connected like Mitt Romney.
For years Utah has had among the highest rates of business fraud in the nation
and the LDS treatment of gays is a national scandal. Michael sounds like a
great guy but neither MJM nor anyone else should attribute that to LDS
"values" since LDS has typically put loyalty to the group above all
notions of honesty and honor. While that may seem like a refreshing change from
typical American individualism, it is still an unethical system.
Not closeted  - This guy is closet and ashamed   |24.131.228.xxx |2011-04-05 16:20:13
If he won't use his name then he is still in the closet.



He is a
self-hating closet case who doesn't want to be identified as being gay because
he is ashamed of who he is.
BYUdavey  - Too bad more people don't know Mormons who have Ga   |99.51.216.xxx |2011-04-05 20:12:07
As a "Mormon" who has had Gay friends and associates, I am disappointed
that there are so many people that really misunderstand the LDS Church view on
the difference between an individual, and an individuals "Gay behavior."
Being Gay does NOT preclude anyone from fully participating in the LDS Church.
Anyone who so chooses, can be an active member of the Church and participate in
every way, regardless of their background, race, etc.

Christ loved and
accepted all people, but He still gave us rules, or "commandments" for
right and wrong behavior to live by. So why is it so hard for people to
understand that I am taught to love anyone, accept anyone as my brother, but not
condone certain sexual behaviors outside the bonds of marriage? Just because
someone is gay, or muslim, or an athiest, doesn't discourage me from being as
close a friend to them as to my favorite Mormon buddy.

If people want members
of the LDS Church to respect their right to choose how they live their life,
then why can't the same acceptance and respect be afforded us who attempt to
live by a different definition of sexual morality? If you do not believe in
Jesus Christ, then you should be arguing against any faith or religion, because
they all have do's and don't's, right?
Hoopdehoop   |68.20.5.xxx |2011-04-06 17:35:22
As a gay person whose had a number of Mormon friends, several of whom have
stabbed me in the back, I have to say your story is not accurate Udavey. Mormons
would have been for Proposition 8 if it were true that they were for individuals
and only against "gay behavior." Besides, they lie about what's in the
bible. Go read John 13:23 and come back and tell me that there is ANY
justification for hating "gay behavior" in the bible. The truth is gays
are merely an enemy of convenience to a church which creates external enemies
for the sake of keeping members from questioning the hierarchy.
AxelDC   |173.79.6.xxx |2011-04-08 02:30:10
You can preach all you want, but as a gay Mormon I find your words hollow and
disingenuous. Mormons are the most actively anti-gay religion in America and
have spent millions fighting against our rights.

Yes, individual Mormons,
including close members of my own family, have come to realize that gays are
born every day into their religion, but the vast majority of Mormons follow
their leaders, such as Boyd K Packer, in extreme homophobia.

At LDS
Conference this week Elder Packer recited the hateful trope that homosexuality
is the worst sin behind denying the Holy Ghost and murder. Really? You
consider me worse than Bernie Maddoff because I have boyfriend? Neil Patrick
Harris and Ellen DeGeneres are worse than BP execs who polluted the Gulf?

Drop
the proselytism. Mormons hate gays and seriously need to repent themselves.
Lauren   |209.105.191.xxx |2011-06-29 01:03:51
Not all Mormons are hateful, or fearful of gays. I'm Mormon, I'm not gay, and I
truly accept people who are gay.
Yes there are quite a few people who want
nothing to do gays, and shun them (I don't understand how they can do that).
But there are also many who love and accept gays.
Acceptance of some things is
very hard. And some people refuse to accept anything that is different from
what they have learned before.
Discrimination is a harsh thing. It's the
individual that chooses to discriminate. Everyone has the power to accept, or
to reject. We all have to make our own decisions.
Don't reject the group
because of some of the individuals. I assure you that the majority of the group
is willing to accept.
Arlie Sims   |198.63.231.xxx |2011-08-02 10:56:57
Of course there are individual Mormons who are accepting of gay people. It is
the system, the teachings, the practice of the religion itself, which is
harmful. What a number of exceptional people within the religion, or even what
the majority think, is not the question. It is what the religion itself teaches
and what many of its followers do to oppress a group of human beings that is
reprehensible and MUST be criticized, not left alone for fear of offending a
religious group. Freedom to practice (or not practice) religion does not free a
religion from open criticism by responsible people who care about justice.
Betty   |130.111.88.xxx |2011-04-06 05:34:53
If the Mormon church is so respecting of other people, then why did they fund
over 80% of prop. 8? It is fine to have your own beliefs and way of living, but
let other be as well.

Wake up Michael: the Mormon church is fueling and
FUNDING homophobic discrimination and the spread of hate globally. That is what
leads to; rape, beatings, suicide and murders.
BYUdavey  - Betty - you are taking a big leap in laying blame   |99.29.233.xxx |2011-04-06 08:04:26
Any Mormons funding of Prop 8 does NOT even begin to mean that they support any
type of discrimination in terms of how Gays choose to live their life, nor do
Mormons accept cruel or hateful behavior towards ANYONE!

Saying that because
some Mormons support Prop 8 means they are supporting homophobic hate is
absurd!

Active members of the LDS Church ("Mormons" attempting to live
as Christ-like as they can, do NOT condone any homophobic Gay bashing in any
form - verbal or physical.

However, Christ stood up for his beliefs and so
should good Christians, without being demeaning or condescending to anyone. Too
bad some people can't separate the two.

Because Mormons and many other
"faiths" believe marriage should be defined as 1 man and 1 woman,
doesn't take away from the right Gay couples have to choose who they love, and
receive the same government financial benefits and consideration. Gay couples
have all the benefits a married couple can enjoy, so no one is attempting to
strip any constitutional benefits from anyone.
John From England   |78.144.226.xxx |2011-04-07 04:24:01
But dude, I watch Big Love. You believe that marriage is between one man and
many women no?

But seriously,I've read a lot about Mormons you guys are
bigamists and also believed in child brides. You also until what, a fe decades
ago, believed in segregation of blacks and whites.

What is ironic though not
shocking is how your people on your missions went to poor black peoples home to
try and convince them to become Mormons-you succeeded.

That's all I have to
say about religious human beings.
Frank   |166.70.57.xxx |2011-04-08 04:21:09
I'm sorry, no, not really, but Prop 8 is a perfect example of people trying to
pass that discriminate against gays. Using Christ to try to claim it is not just
tarnishes the name of Christ.

Discrimination is discrimination, telling one
group they can marry while telling another they can not is indeed
discrimination. That is true no matter how many so called churches claim it is
not.
AxelDC  - Gay BYU alum   |173.79.6.xxx |2011-04-08 02:25:00
As a gay BYU alum myself, I really appreciate and can relate to this story. His
description of BYU as a place where people check off boxes in life and the
loneliness of not following the same path really struck home with me.

A close
friend of mine at BYU offed himself a fews after graduation, explicitly stating
in his suicide note that he couldn't deal with being gay and Mormon. It's not
that BYU is a painful place, but that Mormonism is a harsh place for gay people.
Acceptance is slow to come there and gay Mormon youth have a very difficult
struggle against archconservative norms and their own internal drives.
ronin1516  - Looks like there are a number of Mormon-haters com   |68.43.178.xxx |2011-04-08 05:45:07
Looks like some of the GLBT folks writing nasty comments here are as
close-minded and hate-filled as any.
Good luck finding acceptance when you are
so full of hatred and bile.
AxelDC  - Blacks hating the Klan   |75.103.6.xxx |2011-04-08 08:15:52
You would think that gays would have as much respect for Mormons as blacks and
Jews have for the KKK.
Frank   |166.70.57.xxx |2011-04-08 12:08:32
And it looks like we are getting the standard persecution complex type of
response from the LDS apologists.

ronin1516, if you do some research with an
open mind, you may find that gays have valid reason not to like the LDS. You may
want to start with a youtube search on "Fallacy In The Mormon Church"
and watch the three part video with that title.
Arlie Sims  - Gay at homophobic conservative religious school   |198.63.231.xxx |2011-04-08 11:21:23
I attended a "Christian" College in the midwest. I, too, had to sign a
"lifestyle agreement" which said I would not smoke, drink, dance, have
premarital sex, etc. Many gay men that I know have been expelled and/or
harassed by administration when it was discovered that they were gay (through
monitoring internet use, for example). It took me many years to overcome the
oppressive and misguided teachings of that kind of religious thinking and that
kind of paternalistic policy at an educational institution. I have since been
involved in progressive Christianity that supports and celebrates its LGBT
members as well as it heterosexual ones. I would never, ever recommend a school
like this to any young person, straight or gay. It not only communicates to the
gay student that he or she is "less than", but it deprives hetero
students of knowing open, self-accepting gay friends and thus, from having a
balanced, realistic view of the world and of human beings in general. I think
"Michael" is far, far too easy on BYU.
BYUdavey  - AlexDC   |99.147.151.xxx |2011-04-09 00:04:00
Axel - how many Mormons do you know running around trying to kill Gays and
destroy their homes? Making that comparison is completely irrational!

However,
I understand that a great deal of "hate" is now directed at Mormons
because many did support Prop 8. Sorry you can't respect our right to define
marriage, just as you are asking us to respect your right to define marriage. I
guess the definition will always be argued.
"Joe"  - Ugh   |174.52.141.xxx |2011-04-09 10:54:33
I'm a BYU student and I hate it here. It is so narrow-minded, but it is too
late to pull out of here. There are some great folks here as well, but the
classroom environment is stifling and horrible. Instructors are often afraid to
address any controversial issues. And people here claim there is more
intellectual freedom at BYU because they can discuss the restored gospel in
class. The LDS Church does little to help gays/Bisexuals/etc resolve their
issues. I once talked to a bishop and said "I think I'm Bi." His
response? "I think those feelings will go away." I didn't go to
counseling. I didn't get any help or advice. Since I hadn't done anything,
there was no church discipline. But I was somehow marked with a plague.
The
student environment is not diverse at all. The guys are hot though. So are the
ladies, but I'm gay so yeah. And the gay environment here? Thriving and
closeted. I assure you about the thriving gay environment though. BYU is Sooo
gay. Lots of studs too. Studs. But they are stuck in the closet like me and
will remain so because of fears placed upon them. The Honor code coupled with
the fears placed upon all of the students (gay, straight, etc) don't solve the
problems the LDS Church hopes they would solve -- They exacerbate them.
Meanwhile, psychological warfare is enacted upon the student population.
"Baby, I was born this way"
Wayne  - Good article   |147.153.158.xxx |2011-04-13 10:08:12
I enjoyed reading this article. I went to a private Lutheran college in the '90s
that was kind of conservative, but it wasn't a problem to be gay there. The best
thing to take from this story, if anything, is that Michael, like myself, was
strong enough to be concerned about his studies and his sports. Dive into what
he's supposed to. I think that a lot of gay teens and college kids worry TOO
much about their sex/love life and fail out, or have psychological issues. Yes
for some it's tough to "hide" it, but I don't see how it should ever get
in the way of being a productive member of society. Gays need more people like
Michael, who have good heads on their shoulders and are more concerned with
being a human being, rather than being a gay human being.
Arlie Sims  - Huh?   |198.63.231.xxx |2011-04-13 10:32:38
Wayne, I don't mean to be mean or rude, but your email is subtley homphobic.
What college or HS kid does NOT think about his/her sex/love life. And even for
those hetero kids at religious colleges who do keep focused on their studies,
etc., they are not compelled to HIDE their sexuality or fear being dispelled
because of it. AND, my friend, gays have a very strong reputation for being
HIGHLY successful both in and beyond high school and college, so I don't know
what could explain your statement that gay youth need to be more focused on
their studies and "contributing to society". There is NO conflict
between having your sense of identity clear and respected---sexually and
otherwise--and being a good citizen and contributing to society. Yes, I was
offended by your comment.
danimal  - Excellent article   |184.247.137.xxx |2011-04-16 15:49:00
Having spent a good chunk of my life in a fundamentalist church as conservative
as the college that Arlie attended (which I have since left), I feel I can
relate to what "Michael" described. I agree with the comment that he
went easy on BYU, but I am glad that he is not bitter and has worked out how to
move on. Beyond that, I have a close friend who grew up Mormon in Utah, knowing
he was gay, and although his family has been very accepting -- and although he
now lives half a continent away, in a setting where the LDS church has little to
no influence -- the experience definitely left a mark on him, and I feel
fortunate not to have shared it.

I agree with "Michael" that taking a
vow creates an obligation to try to keep it, but the kind of legalistic religion
that imposes rules like this in the first place does a ton of harm, not only by
creating unnecessary and unproductive guilt, but by attracting people who
(speaking from my own experience) are looking for some kind of "magic"
to "fix" something inside them that is not the problem, just part of
being human.

Anyway, I wish "Michael" the best in his professional and
personal lives. He sounds like a very caring and thoughtful person who can do
some real good in the world.
Jinxed   |41.182.72.xxx |2011-08-20 04:49:52
My, what a wonderful world you seem to live in. Thank God for the openness of
the American psyche -- we in Africa are not so lucky, pray for us
Kyle  - The struggle   |68.2.173.xxx |2011-09-18 09:36:46
I feel like I was a late bloomer. I went to the Y for a year and also another
state school in the valley. Went on a misison, served in EQ Pres, etc. I loved
the social environment of the wards, but could never get serious with a girl. I
hid my attraction for guys. Unless you've been there, it's hard to understand
the internal conflict fo being gay when it's considered so hideous from the
reiligion in which I was raised. I was shy and quiet in college and really
didn't like Provo. I loved Salt Lake after college. I'm more out of my shell
now, but not out and gay to everyone. I've considered suicide, but instead I
deal with my issues and think clearly about who I am and what I want out of
life. I miss my church friends and their concern and the social aspect of the
singles ward. The gay community can be rough and rude outside of Utah. Many hate
me just because I grew up Mormon. But I hope sometime I'll find a guy who I can
be with.
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