Gareth Thomas loves Mickey Rourke playing him in film Print E-mail
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Thursday, 06 January 2011 03:12

The rugby star is thrilled that his coming out story is making a difference. He is also thrilled that Mickey Rourke is going to play him in a movie.

By Jim Buzinski
Outsports.com


Gareth Thomas is not one to mince words. A rugby player, he plays a tough sport where subtlety is not required. So expect nothing but a blunt answer if you ask about the idea of Mickey Rourke playing him in a film. After all, Rourke is 21 years older and does not have perfect pecs and a six-pack.

"I don't give a fuck about that," says Thomas. "He's the perfect person to play me. ... It's not about the physical."

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Thirteen months ago, the thought of Thomas, 36, sitting in a Los Angeles hotel talking about being cast in a movie would have seemed absurd to him. But his life has dramatically changed since he came out as an openly gay professional rugby player.

He was in Los Angeles this week for more meetings about the movie, to tape an "It Gets Better" video and to be a guest on the "Ellen" show. He sat with Outsports for an extended interview and came across as an affable, comfortable yet impressive man (all 6-3 and 226 pounds of him). Clad in a flannel shirt over a t-shirt and jeans, he even lifted his shirt to show us one of his tattoos, revealing the black Ellen underwear he was wearing (we will post the video on Friday).

Thomas' story is by now well known -- a rugby star from Wales with a beautiful wife who seemingly had it all, yet who was tormented by the fact that he was a closeted gay man. He and his wife separated after he told her he was gay. In 2006, his secret became too much to bear. He told his team, which was supportive, then came out publicly three years later to near universal acceptance. It is the stuff of Hollywood.

"I can't complain," Thomas said in an understated manner. Sure, some potential sponsors have been leery (less, he says, by his sexual orientation than by fear of the unknown) and at one point fans became abusive towards him at a match (leading to their expulsion). But instead of complaining about what he terms "brick walls," Thomas is determined to go over them or, being a rugby player, through them.

A case in point is that he no longer has to worry about hearing what fans say, since his secret is no longer a secret that he need fear being exposed.

"Someone might yell, ‘Thomas, you're gay!' " he said. "Yeah, I fucking know. I told the world."

At some level, he said the small amount of negativity he has received has made the story seem more real to people. Coming out is a journey and the road is not always smooth. Being an openly gay athlete still competing (his rugby league season starts next month) has made him a much sought-after person. He received a lot of e-mail after a Sports Illustrated profile of him appeared in May 2010. And while he appreciated every letter, he also felt somewhat uncomfortable dispensing advice to athletes considering whether to come out; he says every person's situation is so unique that there is no one answer.

He received e-mails from two American college football players, who posed the dilemma all gay athletes face. "Do I choose my football and the life of a lie or decide to be [openly] gay and have to give up what I love? It's a tough one for me to answer," Thomas said.

The upcoming movie about his life is gaining a lot of attention for Thomas, who came to Rourke's attention after the Sports Illustrated profile. Thomas bristles at what he sees as the hypocrisy of some gay people who wanted someone they perceive as hotter to play the role; These are the same people, he said, who want to be accepted for who they are.

"I sat with him many times and he really gets it," Thomas said of Rourke, who is a huge rugby fan. "He's a real deep, emotional person."

While there is no title yet for the film, Thomas has met the director and writer and is satisfied that his story will get the proper treatment. He wants it be a universal story, showing the good and bad, as a way to connect with everyone.

While training for the upcoming season, Thomas (who is single for those wondering) is also reaching out as a speaker. He has been asked by LGBT groups at several British banks to talk about sexual orientation in the workplace, and his rugby status has helped open the door. He told a funny story about being invited to the private, top-floor dining room of a Barclays executive ("nobody goes there," the employees told him in wonder) wearing jeans, despite denim not being allowed. The executive was a huge rugby fan and the two bonded over their love of the sport. Bank employees report that "things have gotten so much better" after he has spoken at their workplace.

Making a difference is something Thomas hopes to continue. He is seeking opportunities in the U.S. to spread his message and make sports more inclusive and less homophobic. No longer hiding, Thomas is compelled to speak out so others don't have to suffer like he did. Not bad for a guy who thought at one point "I was the only gay man in the world."

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BigBlueCowboy   |71.172.226.xxx |2011-01-06 01:37:28
While Gareth Thomas does not feel comfortable offering advice to athletes or
others struggling to come out, he does it in the best way possible...being out
himself!

Best comment by far..."Someone might yell, ‘Thomas, you're gay!'
" he said. "Yeah, I fucking know. I told the world."

Brilliant!
sportinlife  - Like to know what he thinks of the final movie   |68.32.26.xxx |2011-01-06 03:55:45
Thomas has given his official - if profane - imprimatur to Micky Rourke
portraying him in the biographical moive. I will be curious to hear his
evaluation of the final product. The eponymous Phillip Morris is known to have
said that he thought the portrayal of his lover in the movie "I Love You
Philip Morris" was too effeminate. Will Rourke's portrayal be the opposite?
Blake J  - Mr   |41.133.201.xxx |2011-01-06 04:21:15
Gareth Thomas is a great guy and it is so awesome he had the courage to come out
before he retired.
Robert S  - Can't Wait!   |75.66.166.xxx |2011-01-06 12:08:54
What more of a better way is there than just to be blunt? If it's one thing I've
learned in life, it's that you get further just cutting to the chase and getting
it out and on the table.

He's a great role model and who I try to model
myself after. Who better than Gareth Thomas, the fucking best rugby player in
the league today? This movie is only the start to something bigger, and,
personally, I cannot wait for the final product - I should see it 6 times just
for the support!

Also just a special thank you to Thomas for the
inspirational video you made at the expense for my friends and I.
KevInPDX  - Alf definately is the perfect nick name for this d   |164.159.60.xxx |2011-01-06 13:01:44
Thanks for putting the link up to the SI article. I can't believe I missed that
when it came out.
This guy made himself absolutely miserable and had one hell
of a rough time accepting himself. He's going to be an excellent and effective
role model.
Single, eh? I guess it'd be poor form to ask "bottom or
top"? He has fueled thousands of gay mens fantasies I am sure
Simon   |92.25.79.xxx |2011-01-07 05:50:55
I wonder how Mickey Rourke will handle Gareth's lyrical south Wales accent.
That will certainly be a feat of acting.
Tony B   |70.153.184.xxx |2011-01-08 00:26:27
What's the point in making a movie about this guy? Thousands of others have come
out before him. OH WAIT! It's the abs and the underwear the dudes want to see.
sbux   |207.164.79.xxx |2011-02-07 23:36:02
thousands who were masculine athletes?thousands who have came out BEFORE they
retired? thousands who were world famous? thousands who had an
i-dont-give-a-fuck-if-you-hate-me-imma-keep-doing- what-i-love attitude?
BigBlueCowboy   |71.172.227.xxx |2011-01-08 11:09:09
Yes, there are countless others who have come out before Gareth Thomas. And
every coming out story is unique. But Gareth Thomas's story is compelling! There
are not that many openly gay athletes today, and he might just make it easier
for even one kid to come out of the closet. Role models are needed, and Gareth
Thomas is one.

Tony B, were you ever called a "faggot," when you were a
kid? I know I was. And for a kid who liked sports, played baseball, tennis, and
swam, it scared me further into the closet. I wish that I had someone like
Gareth Thomas around back then to say to me, "I'm gay, too, and so what? I
can also excel with the best of them on the field!" It would have made the
world of difference to me at thirteen.

So, Gareth Thomas does matter! I don't
give a shit about his abs or underwear. I want to see Gareth Thomas recognized
as a great rugby player, who just happens to be gay. He is making a difference.
There is a kid out there now who will come to terms with his sexuality a lot
easier, because Gareth Thomas is his role model.

Yeah, the movie should be
made!
Tony B   |65.0.50.xxx |2011-01-08 16:12:55
Yes, "Cowboy". I WAS called "faggot" and even worse names by
guys like you... because I wasn't playing sports. Why? Because I wasn't allowed
to!
BigBlueCowboy   |71.172.231.xxx |2011-01-09 05:47:37
Tony, you may be missing my point. We need to celebrate each and every person
who comes out, but people who are in the public eye and who come out, have a
powerful forum from which they might enlighten a broader public. To me, Gareth
Thomas is the equivalent of Jackie Robinson. He's a hero to me. So, too, are
Ellen DeGeneres, Cheyenne Jackson, Barney Frank, Dan Kowalski, Steve Pougnet,
Mike Almy, Joel Burns and others, all because they push forward in their careers
and lives and just happen to be gay.

Yes, I was called a "faggot." and
I may have teased others to deflect attention from me, but I never called
someone else a "faggot," because I knew I was one, too.
Tony B   |65.0.50.xxx |2011-01-11 13:52:43
You may believe this, Cowboy, but a majority of the gay male community doesn't.
It's all an illusion! In the end, all they care about is sexuality.
Sam  - ...   |108.15.198.xxx |2011-01-11 17:27:18
why are you on this site then, tony? why did you read this article? the LGBT
community cannot be just about sexuality when they are SECOND CLASS CITIZENS in
most states.
Tony B   |65.0.50.xxx |2011-01-11 21:37:56
Honestly, Sam, because I have a message. If our community doesn't want to be
treated as second-class citizens, then it needs to stop treating it's own kind
as second-class citizens.
Blake J  - Mr   |41.133.251.xxx |2011-01-12 03:31:30
What are you doing to better the community?

Why are you taking out these
negative feelings on Gareth?

Every public figure that comes out, excluding
those closet-case bashers, advances our cause.

Sure other athletes have come
out, but the majority of them did so after they retired from professional
competition and are not nearly as well recognized as Gareth.
BigBlueCowboy   |71.172.229.xxx |2011-01-12 17:16:52
Tony:

No, Tony, you're wrong. Most people want to be treated with dignity. I
look at someone like Ellen DeGeneres, who embraces her sexuality, but whose
appeal transcends her sexuality. I see the same potential in this man. When
Gareth Thomas talks about speaking to the business world about homophobia in the
workplace, and they listen to him, they see beyond his sexuality.

This is not
to say sexuality is secondary. I rejoice in mine. It's given me the ability to
connect to others who are on the margins of society. But I want society to see
those margins as integral...to see me as a gay man, who makes us who we are.
Role models, like Gareth Thomas, are necessary to accomplish this. Yeah, look at
what this guy can accomplish, and, oh by the way, he likes guys! More and more
are responding, "So What! Good for him!"
Tony B   |65.0.50.xxx |2011-01-13 06:20:00
Blake J, I'm taking out these "negative feelings" on my own community
that shunned me and shuns others like me. We have a voice too but I seem to be
the only one with the guts enough to speak up and tell THE OTHER side of the
story.

What am I doing to better the community? I stopped trying because
everytime I did, it would get thrown back into my face. I never asked for
anything in return but I also didn't ask for the treatment I received. So, I
finally said "fuck you". I don't need to be a part of a community that's
so shallow and only sees what's right in front of their noses.
BigBlueCowboy   |96.242.61.xxx |2011-01-13 08:46:02
Tony, I'm sorry about your experience. Tell "The Other side of the
story." I'd like to hear it.
KevInPDX  - Becoming an adult?   |164.159.60.xxx |2011-01-13 14:39:29
If you haven't shook the hand life dealt you and made your life better by the
time you are 35 yrs. old it's your fault and your problem. Not your parents and
not societies fault.
Puck   |69.27.229.xxx |2011-01-14 02:20:31
While i appreciate and admire Gareth for coming out and continuing to play at
the proffesional level; his story is not unique.

there are plenty of gay
ruggers out there, myself included. I even play on a gay rugby team in the US,
which has a dozen or so gay teams.

Gay rugby teams exist worldwide, and this
is illustrated in the Bingham cup which takes place every two years.

Although
Mr. Thomas should be afforded the praise he has earned to date, let us not
forget that there are other ruggers out there who have gone through and continue
to go through the same if not similar struggles every day; and yet their efforts
are not recognized nearly as much...
Jim at Outsports   |99.22.220.xxx |2011-01-14 09:46:28
Hi Puck:
The difference here is that Gareth plays pro rugby, where there are no
out players. That's why his story is unique and resonates.
Jacques   |146.232.65.xxx |2011-01-14 06:10:19
You know who would actually be perfect for the role? Jason Statham. Seriously,
compare pictures Gareth and Jason. And who wouldn't buy Jason as a rugby player.
I'm not sure 58 year olds can convincingly play the role of a professional rugby
player. (Although I wouldn't mind if Mickey proves me wrong.)
Tony B   |65.0.50.xxx |2011-01-14 10:09:35
KevinPDX, don't you mean, "if you haven't SHAKEN"? For someone who is
quick to judge someone's personal history, you do know your grammar.

Cowboy, it
is a LONG and complicated story. I don't mind telling it if someone asks;
although, the gist of my story has been told throughout this thread.
BigBlueCiwboy   |96.242.60.xxx |2011-01-14 10:34:39
Puck:

I agree with you that, in many ways, the coming out of men and women in
ordinary walks of life or who play sports at the amateur level are to be more
greatly celebrated. I, as a man who is gay, may be a better role model to change
hearts and minds in my profession, in my community, among my friends, and in my
family.

Nonetheless, Gareth Thomas has a greater public platform than I do to
spread the same message. He has embraced the platform. I celebrate him for that.
David   |70.238.156.xxx |2011-02-06 03:29:02
Gareth is definitely a great story, but he I don't believe he is the first/only
gay pro-rugby player. What about Ian Roberts?
Greg Congdon   |24.229.174.xxx |2011-02-22 15:03:38
While I definetly agree that the title of the article is not true. Ian Roberts
came out way before this happened. Although Ian was in the middle of retirement
when he came out back around 2000. How ever I definetly like Gareth's way of
thinking...the whole this is me, take it or leave it. As for you Tony B. I think
I understand where your coming from as well.
Andrew  - re:   |124.168.37.xxx |2011-04-01 06:00:47
[quote=Greg Congdon] Although Ian was in the middle of retirement when he came
out back around 2000. quote]

I have Ian Robert's autobiography about coming
out while playing rugby league - it was published in 1997. He definitely came
out during his footy career & not in retirement. In fact, he was the captain of
North Queensland Cowboys (rugby league team) for a period in 1997-98 while being
openly gay.
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