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Thursday, 11 September 2008 06:05

Gay tournaments should be able to limit straight players, but grey areas are presenting a problem

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There's a bit of a hubbub brewing over the disqualification of a team in the Gay Softball World Series because the team had too many straight players on it. From Edge Magazine:

 




"D2, a team from San Francisco, beat the Atlanta Mudcats in the series to qualify for the A Division championship game against the Los Angeles Vipers. But the Mudcats filed a protest, alleging that six of D2’s players were straight. North American Gay Amateur Athletic Alliance (NAGAA) rules state a team in the series may have no more than two straight players on its squad. A review indicated that four of the six players were straight, D2 was disqualified, the championship was awarded to the Vipers, and the Mudcats and other teams which finished behind D2 all moved up a notch in the standings."

This isn't the first team to be disqualified for this reason, and it won't be the last. While some are calling the policy discriminatory, its intentions are good. Sports is still a relatively homophobic place. I was watching a high school football practice earlier this week and heard the coach and players taunting one another with "girl" and "sissy." This was in Manhattan. Sports is not a friendly place for gay people, for the most part.

These gay tournaments are a safe place for gay people to meet one another and express themselves. One of the intentions of the tournaments is to highlight the best gay athletes and teams around the country; the intention is not to have gay people go find the best straight people to help them win. It's never the marginal straight players that are asked to be on these teams but rather the best straight players these teams can find.

Straight players who end up playing in gay tournaments take playing time, and even roster spots, away from gay players. In the New York gay softball league, there is a team that is mostly straight. With a limited number of teams allowed in the league, is that right? Other "straight" leagues have similar limitations. Many co-ed leagues limit the number of men who can play or be on the field at the same time. The Maccabi Games limit participation strictly to Jews and residents of Israel.

One of the questions that’s always been around is, how do you enforce the rule? How do you determine if someone is in fact straight or that they are gay or bisexual? The Gay Softball World Series apparently asks the player if he fits into a definition of heterosexual or homosexual. From an anonymous person who was at the hearing at the World Series, and who posted on Edge Magazine:

"The players in question were given the following definition for str8/heterosexual-PREDOMINANTLY having a sexual interest in someone of the opposite sex. They were also given the following definition: homosexual-PREDOMINANTLY having a sexual attraction for someone of the same sex. Each player was asked which of the two definitions he identified with, and were [sic] told they could NOT identify with both because of the word PREDOMINANTLY."

As Patricia Nell Warren pointed out to me this morning, it seems kind of crappy that a player can’t declare as bisexual. After 30 years of running the tournament, it may be that the organizers have come to the conclusion that leaving the door open to bisexuality has caused too much trouble with a loop hole that may be too easy for some to take advantage of. Either way, it seems odd to limit the number of bisexuals.

The Gay Superbowl, which limits the number of straight players to 20% of any team’s roster, asks all players to declare their sexuality before the tournament. Only straight people are limited; there is no limit to the number of gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender people who can participate. Luckily, no one has ever protested another team. Here’s hoping it stays that way.

The Gay Games and Outgames, on the other hand, don't limit the number of straight players. But, they also can allow many, many more athletes to participate than any other gay tournament.

I will say that I have started thinking more and more about the numbers and limits. Is there a point at which a straight player should be counted as gay? My football team’s quarterback is straight, but he’s played in the gay league for four years, helped start the league, has played in the last four Gay Superbowls, and has been a mentor to many gay players. Should he still be counted toward some limit? I don’t know the answer to that, but it’s something I hope leagues and tournaments start to think about that.

But, as long as the sports world continues to cast a homophobic shadow over our culture, I personally have no problem with people trying to keep playing spors for gay tournaments as open to gay people as possible.

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Johnny  - Bisexual and straight inclusion   |164.156.65.xxx |2010-02-16 10:08:24
It is such a tricky question.

I agree that there should be some limitation
to the number of straight players in a tournament. I have played for several gay
teams that were very open to straight players - and I think the teams were
better for it.

These folks were not all recruited, but joined out of
convenience or had a friend on the team.

Most of these folks were pretty good
players - whereas the gay folks on the team tended to be all levels. For
whatever reason, we didn't find a straight boy who never played the game join
the team - but we had young gay guys who were completely new to the game join.
Good for them and the team - some of them grew as athletes and became great
players.

I find though the most compelling reason for limiting the number of
straight is that the tournaments are meant to be among other things a place to
highlight gay athletes. As much as I love our very gay friendly straight player
a team at a gay friendly should not a majority straight team (I don't know where
they should draw the line).

Bisexuals should be included with no questions
about whom they have sex with more that's ridiculous.
mike   |24.7.5.xxx |2010-04-23 19:40:07
I created a new team and have a 16 man roster. From getting to know the
players, 50% of my players are straight. Now, I recruited players by posting an
add on craigslist and basically indicated that I will take any player who has
the skill to play and I couldn't care less what their sexual orientation is. On
the add, I also indicated that it's a gay softball league. So, to have 50% of
my players to be straight is a surprise. Wow! It actually made me happy that
we have straights that are okay with playing with gays or in a gay league. I
truly based my recruitment on skills. Out of curiosity since I know now that
they're straight, I asked what made them join a gay league. Most of them have
had friends, family, etc. that are gay and feel comfortable with gays. Really,
what came to my mind initially is that they may be bisexual or perhaps in the
process of coming out and getting a feel for our culture. That still may be the
case. Who knows? What I do know is that it is not up to me to out the player.
There should be no limit to the number of straights!!!! I don't like the notion
that if you're straight then you're better. I love my straight players. They
are respectful and it makes me happy that they're seeing us as equals. Perhaps,
that translates to other issues like gay marriage.
George  - so recognition walks hand in hand with exclusion   |98.116.190.xxx |2010-04-25 06:06:34
I use to be part of a league in Philadelphia where gay, bi, straight, whatever
would co-exist, and it was the most positive thing I found in my coming out
process, and in order to be homosexual I did not to be
gossipy-fashion-obsessed-queen and check-out my masculinity to fit-in.

in this
league I learned to respect all, and learn the affeminate guys were the BEST
hitters, and that taught my Latino-macho obsessed upbringing a lesson.

Then the
league started orienting itself more and more to NAGAA, and it all went to hell!
All of the suddent thos straight men MAN enough to play with their gay/homo
brothers, cousins, friends were no longer welcomed. More and more the language
of EXCLUSION started peppering our organization's constitution. The
registration fees of our teams were being used just as financing mechanism for
those teams that saw a NAGAA tournament as the pinnacle of recognition ... or
big debauchery orgy party on whatever venue city the latest tournament would
be.

My amazement is that I have been reading for years the HRC try to make
Gay/Homosexuals be not discriminated in every single fabric of life ... but then
we have NAGAA counting foul for the language they have DEMANDED for leagues that
come to their fold of excluding many Straight people that have supported
Gay/Homosexuals through more than 20 years (that is how old the league I joined
was 10 years ago).

So what would NAGAA have us proof that a player is bisexual?
Have sex in front of this 25-member committee? Would managers of a team have
as duty to sleep with a player that identifies himself as bisexual to make sure
they can provide evidence?

And now NAGAA is saying that the financial strain of
this lawsuit will put them in peril ... really? I know how much money leagues
sent them, and trust me, this is a blatant lie.

I hope the lessons is taught
to all of us: If the oppressed start behaving like the oppressors, then you are
subject to the same scrutiny and punishment you call on all of us against
discrimination that happens outside of the cusy "gay" world!
Tyler b, Real  - What about being open-minded?   |24.107.86.xxx |2010-04-25 06:36:19
I have played in gay sports leagues in the past. Granted these were paid leagues
(which I think shouldn't matter), but our philosophy was to be inclusive. I
would like to think the more straights that wanted to play with us, the better.
I don't believe a more competitive gay sports league should be exclusive on who
or what they allow to participate but I do know one thing: when gays show more
tolerance for others who are not like them, the world will be a better place.
Isn't that what gays allegedly want, tolerance and acceptance? In the case of
this softball league, I guess not. I can't say I surprised about gays being
hypocritical.
Pony   |166.134.160.xxx |2010-04-27 15:15:27
D2 have been rumoured for years to have 6 or more straight players on thier team
bisexual or not they should have been honest. Why try and cheat the system there
are plenty of straight leagues to play in. I play on gay team that has three
straight players and we play on a straight league. But we have are discriminated
against evry time we play.

Funny that at least one of the three bisexual
players is still playing in nagas sanctioned tournaments.

Another rumoured is
that these guys told the committee that they were ga but please don't tell yhier
wives who were at the tournament.

Hope this lawsuit does not destroy what naga
has built and ruin the opportunity for gay players to go and compete in a safe
environment.

In my opinion it is all about the money
charley   |69.183.234.xxx |2010-04-27 05:34:36
Can someone explain to me why the lesbian rights organization is suing on behalf
of straight men?
franco_am  - franco_am   |72.208.56.xxx |2010-04-28 05:41:37
Because Softball to Lesbians is like chocolate to peanut butter. Or gay porn to
us. Or butterscotch to old people. Some unions you don't violate. truth is we'll
never know if these cats were really 'bi'. What even constitutes bi. Attraction
to other men, or sex with other men. I know of two cats on my b-ball team that
confided in me they had sex with a guy before in high school. One said he
thought it was a mistake and the other said it was 'weird and fun' but not
really 'his thing'. Does that mean they could play on that team?
Rogerb   |71.139.5.xxx |2010-04-29 05:32:08
NCLR is not limited to lesbian issues nor is it limited to national issues.
The name is a bit of a misnomer. If you look at their track record
they are involved in many human rights issues, and in recent years
have a sports project which focuses on issues such as discrimination in the
college ranks. NCLR has also been a major player in the Prop 8 court
cases.

Straight-limits were created by LGBT sports groups when there were
no laws prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations. That is
less the case now. The rules are obsolete, and the focus should not be
on orientation, but on tolerance.

The link to a story on a current
federal suit filed this month is http://ebar.com/columns/column.php?sec=sports&i...
lacharlie13   |76.95.203.xxx |2010-04-30 17:47:27
They also took on that dreadful Sonoma case where an older gay male couple had
their property seized and were split up in old age - god bless the Lesbians!!
Joseph   |71.104.172.xxx |2010-05-13 18:04:29
Well why dont we ask NCLR to sue ASANA the womens lesbian world series who
doesnt let men play. Wonder if they would sue a fellow lesbian. Bet they wouldnt
touch it.
RP   |98.248.71.xxx |2010-05-26 08:17:30
Your assumption that straight players are more skilled and therefore will
automatically take playing time away from gay players is insulting - and
homophobic! I am a gay player in the league and can tell you that there is no
correlation between orientation and ability. It has to do with your experience.
Many gay players in the B division have played sports there whole lives and are
just as accomplished as their straight counterparts. Please don't fall into the
trap that Nagaaa has succumbed to - straights equal advantage!
EX NAGAA PLAYER   |75.45.16.xxx |2010-06-21 13:06:33
RP... I wouldn't say str8 players are more skilled but I will say str8's have a
larger pool to choose from.

I played for NAGAA for 5 years in A/B before I
quit because of all this drama. I happened to play with D2 before all this
happened. I'm gay and I now play only in Str8 leagues because there is no such
thing as complaining to the board that some guy hit the ball to the fence 4
outta 5 times on a particular day so therefor he should be rated up. If D2 was a
shitty team no one would say ANYTHING. But once a teams birth to the WS is
threatens all the BS starts.

If you want gays who never played sports or wasn't
any good at sports to participate you create a RECREATIONAL LEAGUE and kill the
world series aspect. And for the rest of us create a COMPETITIVE LEAGUE with a
birth to the world series. NO RATING, play it just like ASA who runs a
successful program.

And one last thing. How in the hell are you going to
discriminate against str8's playing in a gay league. You talk about equality yet
you promote inequality. Practice what you preach!
lacharlie13   |76.95.203.xxx |2010-06-23 16:15:43
It is amazing that gay softball can occasionally be healthy fun exercise!! The
exchanges here have been a revelation about how pathological gay softball can
get, up to and including theft of funds, lying and cheating about all kinds of
things. I was always astonished at how different things were in other gay sports
like soccer and flag football!! It takes a lot of intense effort to screw up a
good sport like softball, but this exchange shows how it can be done
AZSki29   |70.176.232.xxx |2010-07-01 21:15:03
Amen @EX NAGAA PLAYER
EX NAGAA PLAYER   |75.45.1.xxx |2010-07-09 12:02:19
And to add what was cut off in my reply.

I don't understand how NAGAAA or any
other gay man (gawd forbid you be one of a minority race too) can discriminate
against str8 players playing in their league. Practice what you preach. Do I
need to sit here and explain how to run a successful program? You'd think after
all these years NAGAAA would have implemented successful solutions to these
ridiculous problems. Seems to me the problems exists from inexperienced
recreational board members.
Leo  - One day...   |71.142.224.xxx |2010-07-16 19:04:55
...it won't fricking matter and people can just play sports! peace
erin  - straight player   |69.165.34.xxx |2010-11-04 09:59:55
for several year the coach and best player on my softball and baseball teams was
gay. I would have been piss out mad like I had been stabbed with a hot iron if I
were told I couldn't play for a team because I am straight. I always thought the
idea was to include everyone one not have a gay/straight ratio
Joe  - Rethink the "why"   |68.175.15.xxx |2011-02-17 05:02:37
In my opinion, the reason for having a gay sports league is not because gay
people are routinely worse at sports than straight people. Instead, it is
because sports environments are often homophobic, causing many gay people to
avoid them. So, I see no problem with a gay sports league being open to anyone
who is gay or gay friendly. If a straight person wants to play in a gay league,
they are obviously accepting of other people, and should be welcomed as an
addition to an overall welcoming environment.

I see others referring to
"straight" sports leagues. But those leagues certainly do not identify
that way. There are few, if any, leagues that explicitly ban gay people from
participating. Again, the difference is a homophobic versus an inclusive
atmosphere, not the people each participant does or does not have sex with.

The
fact that we are discussing this issue is a fantastic illustration of how things
are changing in our culture. Some day soon, these questions will be so
wonderfully unimportant.
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